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In December KamuAR poll and October Metropoll poll, the references indicate that some voters are undecided (8.6 and 14.5 respectively) and poll results with undecided votes distributed to the parties are not available. In the article, the results are given distributed. Is it your own calculation, T.C. Ataturkiye, and if so, what formula is used here? It seems that the votes are not distributed linearly proportional with each party's vote.
Further, I have just noticed that the percentages do not add up to 100, but to 106.2 in the first one, so I guess there is an error with the distribution of the KamuAR poll. Also, other parties are only 0.7 in the MetroPoll poll, so they should not become 6.0 even after all 14.5 undecided/invalid votes are distributed, so I imagine something is wrong with it as well.-- Cfsenel ( talk) 13:46, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Sadly, most of the poll results are given with references to websites like secimanketi.tv, secimanketleri.org, etc, none of which are reliable sources, not any more than a personal blog. See tr:Tartışma:2015 Türkiye genel seçim anketleri for details, some current mistakes those caused in the article are: Pollmark poll claimed to be dated 29 Dec in the article ( [1] [2]) (which they of course don't bother to give some crucial information, like sample size) is actually from 10-14 Oct ( [3]). They presented it as a new poll again, to get more clicks and ad revenue. The 22 Aug ORC poll ( [4]), which is actually dated 11-13 Aug, is deliberately misrepresented by secimanketi.tv by claiming both MHP and HDP are at 10.2 (actually MHP is 14.2, ( http://www.orcarastirma.com.tr/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/orc.agustosgundem.2014.pdf) secimanketi.tv took 4 points and put it to the 'others' part). These sources should not be used at all. In most cases the sources are available in the official website of the polling company, if not, a reputable newspaper article may be used as a source. The Turkish article has better sources for most of them, with the errors corrected.-- Cfsenel ( talk) 11:42, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
I have removed the GENAR poll results. We have very little expectations about the information provided given the state of polling in Turkey, but I don't think our current information about their latest poll even meets those. GENAR is certainly a known company that should be on this page, but this is not a poll result announcement. When a company's president says on a TV program that according to their polls "MHP is around 14", I don't think this constitutes encyclopedic data. I don't mean to say we need the decimal points (indeed, they are mostly unnecessary given the uncertainty range) but the language is so vague here that (e.g. one party's votes are given with high precision while others are only mentioned approximately) I believe we should add the poll results when and if the results are actually announced by the company.
I also am not sure whether PCR and Emax polls should be here while even the company's existence is doubtful, but of course one could say that it is not for us to decide and it is sufficient to mention their questionability it in the notes. At least they are full announcements, even though probably fake.-- Cfsenel ( talk) 02:09, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't think online polls have any place on an encyclopedia at all. That is, an online poll by a polling company which designs determines a sample and contacts them online could be mentioned (although it is hard to see how that could work given the percentage of people who do not use internet), but an open-to-all online poll on a website has zero encyclopedic value.-- Cfsenel ( talk) 05:13, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
So it appears the turkish equivalent of this article is being censored along with some other articles in Turkey since 6th of June. The turkish wiki has placed a banner on their Wikipedia warning about this. See
The Signpost about it.
Here's the warning message they placed as a banner on their Wikipedia:
tr:Türkçe_Vikipedi'deki_maddelerin_erişime_engellenmesi. They are referring to all other articles as "disabled" with the exception of this one which they refer to as "partially disabled".
And here's a news report by
Hürriyet Daily News about it:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/wikipedia-releases-warning-on-turkeys-censorship-monitoring.aspx?PageID=238&NID=84255
Also see:
http://www.birgun.net/haber-detay/vikipedi-sansure-isyan-etti-83076.html
So shouldn't this also be part of this article (even though it's a bit meta)? Please add it.
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In December KamuAR poll and October Metropoll poll, the references indicate that some voters are undecided (8.6 and 14.5 respectively) and poll results with undecided votes distributed to the parties are not available. In the article, the results are given distributed. Is it your own calculation, T.C. Ataturkiye, and if so, what formula is used here? It seems that the votes are not distributed linearly proportional with each party's vote.
Further, I have just noticed that the percentages do not add up to 100, but to 106.2 in the first one, so I guess there is an error with the distribution of the KamuAR poll. Also, other parties are only 0.7 in the MetroPoll poll, so they should not become 6.0 even after all 14.5 undecided/invalid votes are distributed, so I imagine something is wrong with it as well.-- Cfsenel ( talk) 13:46, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Sadly, most of the poll results are given with references to websites like secimanketi.tv, secimanketleri.org, etc, none of which are reliable sources, not any more than a personal blog. See tr:Tartışma:2015 Türkiye genel seçim anketleri for details, some current mistakes those caused in the article are: Pollmark poll claimed to be dated 29 Dec in the article ( [1] [2]) (which they of course don't bother to give some crucial information, like sample size) is actually from 10-14 Oct ( [3]). They presented it as a new poll again, to get more clicks and ad revenue. The 22 Aug ORC poll ( [4]), which is actually dated 11-13 Aug, is deliberately misrepresented by secimanketi.tv by claiming both MHP and HDP are at 10.2 (actually MHP is 14.2, ( http://www.orcarastirma.com.tr/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/orc.agustosgundem.2014.pdf) secimanketi.tv took 4 points and put it to the 'others' part). These sources should not be used at all. In most cases the sources are available in the official website of the polling company, if not, a reputable newspaper article may be used as a source. The Turkish article has better sources for most of them, with the errors corrected.-- Cfsenel ( talk) 11:42, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
I have removed the GENAR poll results. We have very little expectations about the information provided given the state of polling in Turkey, but I don't think our current information about their latest poll even meets those. GENAR is certainly a known company that should be on this page, but this is not a poll result announcement. When a company's president says on a TV program that according to their polls "MHP is around 14", I don't think this constitutes encyclopedic data. I don't mean to say we need the decimal points (indeed, they are mostly unnecessary given the uncertainty range) but the language is so vague here that (e.g. one party's votes are given with high precision while others are only mentioned approximately) I believe we should add the poll results when and if the results are actually announced by the company.
I also am not sure whether PCR and Emax polls should be here while even the company's existence is doubtful, but of course one could say that it is not for us to decide and it is sufficient to mention their questionability it in the notes. At least they are full announcements, even though probably fake.-- Cfsenel ( talk) 02:09, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't think online polls have any place on an encyclopedia at all. That is, an online poll by a polling company which designs determines a sample and contacts them online could be mentioned (although it is hard to see how that could work given the percentage of people who do not use internet), but an open-to-all online poll on a website has zero encyclopedic value.-- Cfsenel ( talk) 05:13, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
So it appears the turkish equivalent of this article is being censored along with some other articles in Turkey since 6th of June. The turkish wiki has placed a banner on their Wikipedia warning about this. See
The Signpost about it.
Here's the warning message they placed as a banner on their Wikipedia:
tr:Türkçe_Vikipedi'deki_maddelerin_erişime_engellenmesi. They are referring to all other articles as "disabled" with the exception of this one which they refer to as "partially disabled".
And here's a news report by
Hürriyet Daily News about it:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/wikipedia-releases-warning-on-turkeys-censorship-monitoring.aspx?PageID=238&NID=84255
Also see:
http://www.birgun.net/haber-detay/vikipedi-sansure-isyan-etti-83076.html
So shouldn't this also be part of this article (even though it's a bit meta)? Please add it.