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Opinion polling for the next French presidential election →
Opinion polling for the 2022 French presidential election – French presidential elections are dates set in stone like the US presidential elections as per the constitution, they are not affected by the same phenomena as
Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election, which could be brought forward. Looking at the page history, it looks like this page grew out of one redirect, and the desired title is at another redirect
Unknown Temptation (
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User:Le Lis et le Lion Can you explain why:
I reverted your latter change because you did not have the consensus needed to change Bertrand's label in the first place. Mottezen ( talk) 18:41, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
I also reverted the removal of the poll from the graph, which you also never had consensus to remove. Please expand on your reason for the removal, because "obsolete" might as well apply to every polls except the most recent ones. Mottezen ( talk) 22:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Le Lis et le Lion: We can't remove or make up data on the graph for cosmetic reasons. Please stop making up or removing data from the graph.
However, your cosmetic concerns with the graph can be resolved by other means. Maybe we could merge back the right-wing line with each individual points being an average of the right-wing candidates' results. Or we could add multiple right-wing and left-wing candidates on different lines with the same colors, with notes clearly explaining that only one of these candidates is expected to be running in the election in the end. Let's discuss it here and establish a consensus before making the change in main-space. Mottezen ( talk) 19:38, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Seriously Justknowthatyourenotinthisthingalong ( talk) 16:27, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
As a french citizen, I wanted to thank the editors of this english version of the page, for refraining to (dis)qualify Éric Zemmour as (the english equivalent of) "extrême droite": "extreme right", or even the less dismissive "far right" -which is not used in France, for essentially political reasons. On the french page the editors' activism is unrefrained. One could believe that current events could incite them to control themselves, to protect the neutrality of wikipedia, or even democracy in their country, but one would be mistaken. Anyway thank you to those responsible for editing this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.142.239.170 ( talk) 21:18, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Impru20: we can talk here if you want
I propose to use in the article this polling graph I have done with R. The graph currently used just includes Harris' data and this one includes all the polls since January 2021. Thoughts?-- Basque mapping ( talk) 18:43, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
I will update with Pecresse and I agree we should use all polls and will change that so as to reflect the French wiki. Tbretagne ( talk) 12:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Wouldn't the tables be clearer if only polls with Pécresse as the Republicain candidate were included in the main tables, with alternative hypothetical candidate scenarios that haven't come to fruition sequestered into another table? It's quite confusing to follow as it stands. Ralbegen ( talk) 12:55, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Then we can create a final table once all the candidates have been validated by the commission. Tbretagne ( talk) 13:36, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'm just taking my daily stroll around Wiki and found this page, which looks good 👍. Now that Xavier Bertrand has arrived at a measly 4th position in the Republicains primary, would it not make sense to remove the § Macron vs. Bertrand and § Bertrand vs. Le Pen sections? They have pretty much lost their relevance. JBchrch talk 03:44, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
You should first get aware of what WP:IMPLICIT is...Yeah, very useful sentence, that will move the discussion forward for sure. JBchrch talk 18:59, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
An edit has presumed consensus unless it is disputed or reverted.Which means that the edits removing the Bertrand polls, which by themselves overwrote a version of the article which had attained implicit consensus, cannot be regarded as having attained such implicit consensus themselves since those were disputed and reverted. No attempt at discussing the removal of the Bertrand polls was ever done until now, btw, so no explicit consensus attempt has even been attempted (because it would probably not be reached, not under the premise that Bertrand is no longer candidate at least). See opinion polling articles for the 2017, 2012, 2007, 2002 and so on listing all alternative hypotheses shown in polling (even those not materializing in the end). In fact, this article currently misses some other hypotheses (such as Macron vs. Mélenchon, Hidalgo vs. Le Pen, Pécresse vs. Le Pen, Mélenchon vs. Le Pen and some others), the reason for which I cannot currently understand. Hope this has moved the discussion forward for sure. Cheers. Impru20 talk 19:13, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
If we compare the graph at #Graphical summary with the one on the French Wikipedia, there are some significant differences. Does anyone know why? Tagging Basque mapping. JBchrch talk 20:24, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Given the rollings that have been made since the start of 2022, the number of polls this year is much more higher than the previous year, that is why I think that it would be preferable to separate the graph between one of the 2021 and the other of the 2022. Which are your opinions?-- Basque mapping ( talk) 21:50, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
I would like to suggest, based on the impending deadline for presentations, that the first few days of March 2022 be merged with February 2022. It looks like several candidates who were regularly polled for the last few months (namely Poutou, Asselineau, Taubira, and Thouy) may not make the ballot and will likely be dropped from polling. One or more might still make it, but it would seem to make more sense to break polling at the point where presentations close than at the end of February (and thus have 2-4 "empty" columns for most of the month). 70.174.126.206 ( talk) 07:56, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
The new institute Cluster 17 seems to be dealing with a questionable methodology which, like Sentio in Sweden or Civey in Germany, cannot achieve any representativeness. While Sentio and Civey have repeatedly attracted attention with disastrous surveys on elections, nothing is known about Cluster 17, as there are only 3 elections in France within 5 years. The listing in the article seems questionable. [ https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/occitanie/herault/montpellier/montpellier-cluster-17-un-laboratoire-d-etudes-de-l-opinion-propose-une-autre-maniere-de-sonder-les-electeurs-2472502.html -- Petruz ( talk) 23:01, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
The OpinionWay poll for 4-7 March was published at precisely the same time as the official list of candidates, noon on Monday, 7 March, and was obviously completed before (not after) publication of the list (this was, incidentally, just a coincidence; the OpinionWay rolling poll is posted every weekday at noon). The Ifop poll for 3-7 March was published five hours after the official list and little of its fieldwork, if any, would have been completed after the list appeared. The OpinionWay poll is clearly in the wrong place. The implication that the Ifop poll is informed by knowledge of the list is misleading. The first poll conducted entirely after publication of the list is the Elabe for 7-8 March, with the pollster saying excplicitly that fieldwork began later in the day on 7 March. Utilisateur19911 ( talk) 15:04, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Someone keep reverting my edits. Can you please stop him, the graph is correct. — 113.252.117.217 ( talk) 08:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Given Melenchon recent poll rise and the fact he polls frequently in 3rd or 4th place above pecrease and sometimes Zemmour. I think it would be reasonable to include head to head polling for him. The French Wiki already includes this so it shouldn't be too difficult and as I'm aware all the data is included on that table so it's just a task of transferring it over. EnglishPoliticalPerson ( talk) 19:41, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Can we please update the polling aggregate graph?! Macron's poll numbers have slipped to an average of 29% over the past week and the graph should show a noticeable downward curve were it maintained and updated regularly. Yet it still falsely shows Macron's polling as shooting up and up away from the other candidates, which might influence voters. This close to an important election, can we please show some professionalism and non-bias and ensure that this graph is updated daily and in a truthful manner? Tetsumonchi ( talk) 06:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
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I think the 2nd round polling should be sorted by probability (Zemmour and Pécresse seem unlikely to access the 2nd round at the moment) 2A01:E0A:25A:74A0:142C:CEEF:EF7F:AE42 ( talk) 09:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
The link is to OpinionWay's previous poll. Utilisateur19911 ( talk) 10:52, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vaticidal prophet 01:18, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Opinion polling for the next French presidential election →
Opinion polling for the 2022 French presidential election – French presidential elections are dates set in stone like the US presidential elections as per the constitution, they are not affected by the same phenomena as
Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election, which could be brought forward. Looking at the page history, it looks like this page grew out of one redirect, and the desired title is at another redirect
Unknown Temptation (
talk)
21:15, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
User:Le Lis et le Lion Can you explain why:
I reverted your latter change because you did not have the consensus needed to change Bertrand's label in the first place. Mottezen ( talk) 18:41, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
I also reverted the removal of the poll from the graph, which you also never had consensus to remove. Please expand on your reason for the removal, because "obsolete" might as well apply to every polls except the most recent ones. Mottezen ( talk) 22:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Le Lis et le Lion: We can't remove or make up data on the graph for cosmetic reasons. Please stop making up or removing data from the graph.
However, your cosmetic concerns with the graph can be resolved by other means. Maybe we could merge back the right-wing line with each individual points being an average of the right-wing candidates' results. Or we could add multiple right-wing and left-wing candidates on different lines with the same colors, with notes clearly explaining that only one of these candidates is expected to be running in the election in the end. Let's discuss it here and establish a consensus before making the change in main-space. Mottezen ( talk) 19:38, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Seriously Justknowthatyourenotinthisthingalong ( talk) 16:27, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
As a french citizen, I wanted to thank the editors of this english version of the page, for refraining to (dis)qualify Éric Zemmour as (the english equivalent of) "extrême droite": "extreme right", or even the less dismissive "far right" -which is not used in France, for essentially political reasons. On the french page the editors' activism is unrefrained. One could believe that current events could incite them to control themselves, to protect the neutrality of wikipedia, or even democracy in their country, but one would be mistaken. Anyway thank you to those responsible for editing this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.142.239.170 ( talk) 21:18, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Impru20: we can talk here if you want
I propose to use in the article this polling graph I have done with R. The graph currently used just includes Harris' data and this one includes all the polls since January 2021. Thoughts?-- Basque mapping ( talk) 18:43, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
I will update with Pecresse and I agree we should use all polls and will change that so as to reflect the French wiki. Tbretagne ( talk) 12:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Wouldn't the tables be clearer if only polls with Pécresse as the Republicain candidate were included in the main tables, with alternative hypothetical candidate scenarios that haven't come to fruition sequestered into another table? It's quite confusing to follow as it stands. Ralbegen ( talk) 12:55, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Then we can create a final table once all the candidates have been validated by the commission. Tbretagne ( talk) 13:36, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'm just taking my daily stroll around Wiki and found this page, which looks good 👍. Now that Xavier Bertrand has arrived at a measly 4th position in the Republicains primary, would it not make sense to remove the § Macron vs. Bertrand and § Bertrand vs. Le Pen sections? They have pretty much lost their relevance. JBchrch talk 03:44, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
You should first get aware of what WP:IMPLICIT is...Yeah, very useful sentence, that will move the discussion forward for sure. JBchrch talk 18:59, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
An edit has presumed consensus unless it is disputed or reverted.Which means that the edits removing the Bertrand polls, which by themselves overwrote a version of the article which had attained implicit consensus, cannot be regarded as having attained such implicit consensus themselves since those were disputed and reverted. No attempt at discussing the removal of the Bertrand polls was ever done until now, btw, so no explicit consensus attempt has even been attempted (because it would probably not be reached, not under the premise that Bertrand is no longer candidate at least). See opinion polling articles for the 2017, 2012, 2007, 2002 and so on listing all alternative hypotheses shown in polling (even those not materializing in the end). In fact, this article currently misses some other hypotheses (such as Macron vs. Mélenchon, Hidalgo vs. Le Pen, Pécresse vs. Le Pen, Mélenchon vs. Le Pen and some others), the reason for which I cannot currently understand. Hope this has moved the discussion forward for sure. Cheers. Impru20 talk 19:13, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
If we compare the graph at #Graphical summary with the one on the French Wikipedia, there are some significant differences. Does anyone know why? Tagging Basque mapping. JBchrch talk 20:24, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Given the rollings that have been made since the start of 2022, the number of polls this year is much more higher than the previous year, that is why I think that it would be preferable to separate the graph between one of the 2021 and the other of the 2022. Which are your opinions?-- Basque mapping ( talk) 21:50, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
I would like to suggest, based on the impending deadline for presentations, that the first few days of March 2022 be merged with February 2022. It looks like several candidates who were regularly polled for the last few months (namely Poutou, Asselineau, Taubira, and Thouy) may not make the ballot and will likely be dropped from polling. One or more might still make it, but it would seem to make more sense to break polling at the point where presentations close than at the end of February (and thus have 2-4 "empty" columns for most of the month). 70.174.126.206 ( talk) 07:56, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
The new institute Cluster 17 seems to be dealing with a questionable methodology which, like Sentio in Sweden or Civey in Germany, cannot achieve any representativeness. While Sentio and Civey have repeatedly attracted attention with disastrous surveys on elections, nothing is known about Cluster 17, as there are only 3 elections in France within 5 years. The listing in the article seems questionable. [ https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/occitanie/herault/montpellier/montpellier-cluster-17-un-laboratoire-d-etudes-de-l-opinion-propose-une-autre-maniere-de-sonder-les-electeurs-2472502.html -- Petruz ( talk) 23:01, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
The OpinionWay poll for 4-7 March was published at precisely the same time as the official list of candidates, noon on Monday, 7 March, and was obviously completed before (not after) publication of the list (this was, incidentally, just a coincidence; the OpinionWay rolling poll is posted every weekday at noon). The Ifop poll for 3-7 March was published five hours after the official list and little of its fieldwork, if any, would have been completed after the list appeared. The OpinionWay poll is clearly in the wrong place. The implication that the Ifop poll is informed by knowledge of the list is misleading. The first poll conducted entirely after publication of the list is the Elabe for 7-8 March, with the pollster saying excplicitly that fieldwork began later in the day on 7 March. Utilisateur19911 ( talk) 15:04, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Someone keep reverting my edits. Can you please stop him, the graph is correct. — 113.252.117.217 ( talk) 08:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Given Melenchon recent poll rise and the fact he polls frequently in 3rd or 4th place above pecrease and sometimes Zemmour. I think it would be reasonable to include head to head polling for him. The French Wiki already includes this so it shouldn't be too difficult and as I'm aware all the data is included on that table so it's just a task of transferring it over. EnglishPoliticalPerson ( talk) 19:41, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Can we please update the polling aggregate graph?! Macron's poll numbers have slipped to an average of 29% over the past week and the graph should show a noticeable downward curve were it maintained and updated regularly. Yet it still falsely shows Macron's polling as shooting up and up away from the other candidates, which might influence voters. This close to an important election, can we please show some professionalism and non-bias and ensure that this graph is updated daily and in a truthful manner? Tetsumonchi ( talk) 06:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
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I think the 2nd round polling should be sorted by probability (Zemmour and Pécresse seem unlikely to access the 2nd round at the moment) 2A01:E0A:25A:74A0:142C:CEEF:EF7F:AE42 ( talk) 09:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
The link is to OpinionWay's previous poll. Utilisateur19911 ( talk) 10:52, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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