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So as Israel hurls towards a third election, it seems that is page will once again become important. I believe we could learn some less from September elections' page. One thing that I believe we could significantly improve is the line graph that appears at the top of the page. The graph of the September elections poll is not bad, but it's certainly not good either. Compared to other polling graphs, it is chaotic and confusing, and so I believe we should improve it.
I believe the problem lies with the fact that unlike other poll graphs, our graph does not show a "polling average", instead it shows the polling of the day. What this means is that any outlier poll causes the graph to go jagged and confusing. If the Likud gets 27 in a poll on sunday and 33 in a poll on tuesday, the result on the graph will look quite bad.
How do we solve this? Well I believe that we should take a page from a professional poll graphing org: realclearpolitics.org.
Here is their graph for the recent 2020 USA democratic party primaries: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
You can see that despite the fact that the primaries have quite a few outlier polls, their graph remains quite stable and isn't as confusing as ours. The method that they use for the graph is quite simple, every time a new point on the graph is added when a new poll is released they average the last 4 polls (now including the new poll of course), instead of only taking into account the polls released on that same day.
So in short, how does this system work? (for future reference for people who want to edit the graph). Once a new poll is released and you want to add it to the line graph, average it with the three previous polls that were released and put that number in the line graph. For example if the new poll has the Likud getting 33, and the last 3 polls show the Likud getting 30, then you should 33+30+30+30/4 = 30.75 and put that in the line graph.
As a proof of concept, here is this method applied on the poll graph from the September election (without Zehut or Otzma):
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As you can see, this method makes the graph much smoother, clearer and in my opinion, prettier. I hope that you accept this proposal for the graph for the new election and that we can implement it in the next line graph. Gibzit ( talk) 18:51, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
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Why is Otzma not included? (Jan 2 2020) Idan ( talk) 12:33, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure anymore what is real and what is a scenario in the right-wing. URWP is a scanario beacuse the NU refuses to join it. Yamina is a scenario because the New Right refuses to join it. But NU independent run is also a scenario, because the NU has never announced any such thing, and it doesn't seem to want that; it wishes to unite the whole religious Zionism. The NU has threatened to withdraw, but it hasn't announced that officially, and this threat doesn't sound serious. So until the NU makes up its mind, it seems like everything is a scenario... ערן117 ( talk) 05:20, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
https://hamodia.com/2019/12/31/smotrich-breaks-silence-otzma-yehudit-deal/
It seems like Smotrich definitely won't join Otzma and Jewish Home. I added refs on the article page for the election about Tkuma being in talks for a joint run with the New Right. David O. Johnson ( talk) 05:44, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
I'm wondering why there are no polls added to the official poll list. Everything, it seems, is below, in a "scenario" list. This is ridiculous. If you are going to have a page about Israeli election polls, you should put Israeli election polls on it in a visible place. If your Israeli election polls are "special" then put it in a "special" place. If ALL your Israeli election polls are "special" then they are not special at all. There have been 6 polls since the last one on the list. ALL six are marked as "special". Stop looking at the "special" section (IE: well this is a scenario, so it goes with scenarios) and look at the article as a whole; every poll that comes out that does not fit into the section of "real" polls only makes the quality of the article drop. This is harming the article as a whole. Nickjbor ( talk) 22:56, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
It's been a few months since the idea was first raised.
@ Kahlores, Jacoby531, and Nickjbor: Ongoing discussion you all may want to contribute to. David O. Johnson ( talk) 07:38, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
It is good to see people finally realize the need for a unified table.
So it seems all of us (5) agree to include merger and splits scenarios (Braganza excepted but I don't see his point).
As for Sa'ar, I suggest we keep the practice started by Spanish Wikipedian Impru20 who created an "Alternative scenarios" section, including polls with alternative leaders, or with a new party.
However, there is one thing we shouldn't be missing: most scenario polls are double-polls, that is, the same panel of respondents is asked two questions in a row, the second of which is more hypothetical than the other.
So the very meaning of these double polls is to allow for comparisons. Now, given the fact that you don't want to include "Sa'ar as Likud leader" in the main table, or "Sa'ar forms a new party", I suggest to provide comparisons like this:
Date | Polling firm | Publisher | Note |
Joint List |
Labor- Gesher |
Dem. Union |
Green |
Blue & White |
Yisrael Beiteinu |
Sa'ar party |
Likud |
New Right |
Nat. Union |
United J. Home |
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1 Jan 2020 | Panels Politics | Maariv | URWP [d] | 13 | 5 | (2.9%) | – | 36 | 8 | 30 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 7 | 54 | 58 | |||||
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Date | Polling firm | Publisher | Note |
Joint List |
Labor- Gesher |
Dem. Union |
Green |
Blue & White |
Yisrael Beiteinu |
Sa'ar party |
Likud |
New Right |
Nat. Union |
United J. Home |
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7 –1 |
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In any case, I'll start to work to add the 10 new polls of these past few days, and I'll bring the table - leadership scenarios excepted - on to the article. Kahlores ( talk) 14:29, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
The new table has been kept up-to-date on my sandbox over the last 2 months, while the previous system was in place. However, I could not keep track of each and every edit and mostly copied-and-pasted the references of the last polls.
So please check whether your past edits have been incorporated, particularly regarding:
Kahlores ( talk) 00:15, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
@ ערן117, David O. Johnson, Jacoby531, and Gibzit:
As I said last week, "I need your support to bring it on the article because there are always people complaining for X or Y foolish reason, and reverting."
Here we are . . . Kahlores ( talk) 13:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
My edit yesterday was not a bold edit, as I've been patiently working on this for months, and garnering support.
Sadly, the issues most people bring up are minor, compared with the current chaos of the "scenarios" section.
You may partly or fully disagree with the left-right arrangement, but please show us another axis that never fails to manage mergers, splits and the battle for prime ministership?
For the first two, you can still have an ad hoc arrangement. For example, here's how the Israeli Wikipedia does it. Parties are arranged by seat count, except for alliances (right-wing and left-wing), that are explained with a special row in the header (below, Hebrew with English links) and the footer.
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For the English Wikipedia, this would give us this (let's call it plan B):
Date | Polling firm | Publisher |
Blue & White |
Likud |
Joint List |
Labor- Gesher- Meretz |
Green | Shas |
Yisrael Beiteinu |
UTJ |
New Right |
Nat. Union |
United J. Home |
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33 | 32 | 13 | 10 | 1 | 9 | 8 | 7 | 3 | 2 | 2 |
However, plan B doesn't show what all polls or poll pundits calculate, namely the split for Prime ministership, which is the reason why there have been 3 elections in a year. It's like moving heaven and earth to avoid the risk of being slightly editorializing. We're not at all editorizalizing. Every poll which gave one camp over 60 seats, was published in the Israeli press with that news in its title!
Proof, if you needed one, that Plan A isn't pushing any POV. It's just following mainstream Israeli media, showing the fault lines of Israeli party politics.
So let's choose. Plan A or B?
Minor issues that could be talked elsewhere and later:
Kahlores ( talk) 22:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
please show us another axis that never fails to manage mergers, splits and the battle for prime ministership?I got mentioned in the discussion above as a reference for "Alternative scenarios" schemes which I applied in other articles, and I've never used a left-to-right arrangement of any sort (much less any L/R column scheme), so yes, it is very possible to manage mergers, splits and other such issues without it, but the key is to consider that not all alternative scenario polls should merit inclusion into the main tables. This is because some scenarios are about alternatives that will never materialize (not before the 2020 election, at least). They may be of interest for readers, but do not need to be included within the main row of polls because their importance is secondary. For example: all opinion polls asking on Gideon Sa'ar as Likud leader should not be included in the main table, because it is a certainty as of now that he won't be leading Likud into the election.
This is because some scenarios are about alternatives that will never materialize (not before the 2020 election, at least). They may be of interest for readers, but do not need to be included within the main row of polls because their importance is secondary.– well said. Some scenarios polls are only for media stunts, to bring more readers to the news site and engage readers, so there will be something to talk about everyday. It's the media trying to fill the time until the "showtime" of the elections. That is another reason why I think is should be separate from the main table, its make it harder to separate the wheat from the chaff. Sokuya ( talk) 18:48, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Hebrew wikipedia is still fighting if the two small parties (IDP and Golans party) made the alliance with labor. So I am waiting for the official lists tmr then we can update. Idan ( talk) 07:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
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In the table that shows the polling results since 15 January 2020 (the newest table) Likud and Blue&White have been mixed up. According to the table Likud holds 33 seats in the current Knesset while Blue&White holds 32. In reality it is the other way round. This needs to be changed Urgently! Yackshack ( talk) 06:12, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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What do we do with this poll? https://www.bhol.co.il/news/1087458 Sokuya ( talk) 08:41, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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So as Israel hurls towards a third election, it seems that is page will once again become important. I believe we could learn some less from September elections' page. One thing that I believe we could significantly improve is the line graph that appears at the top of the page. The graph of the September elections poll is not bad, but it's certainly not good either. Compared to other polling graphs, it is chaotic and confusing, and so I believe we should improve it.
I believe the problem lies with the fact that unlike other poll graphs, our graph does not show a "polling average", instead it shows the polling of the day. What this means is that any outlier poll causes the graph to go jagged and confusing. If the Likud gets 27 in a poll on sunday and 33 in a poll on tuesday, the result on the graph will look quite bad.
How do we solve this? Well I believe that we should take a page from a professional poll graphing org: realclearpolitics.org.
Here is their graph for the recent 2020 USA democratic party primaries: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
You can see that despite the fact that the primaries have quite a few outlier polls, their graph remains quite stable and isn't as confusing as ours. The method that they use for the graph is quite simple, every time a new point on the graph is added when a new poll is released they average the last 4 polls (now including the new poll of course), instead of only taking into account the polls released on that same day.
So in short, how does this system work? (for future reference for people who want to edit the graph). Once a new poll is released and you want to add it to the line graph, average it with the three previous polls that were released and put that number in the line graph. For example if the new poll has the Likud getting 33, and the last 3 polls show the Likud getting 30, then you should 33+30+30+30/4 = 30.75 and put that in the line graph.
As a proof of concept, here is this method applied on the poll graph from the September election (without Zehut or Otzma):
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As you can see, this method makes the graph much smoother, clearer and in my opinion, prettier. I hope that you accept this proposal for the graph for the new election and that we can implement it in the next line graph. Gibzit ( talk) 18:51, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
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Why is Otzma not included? (Jan 2 2020) Idan ( talk) 12:33, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure anymore what is real and what is a scenario in the right-wing. URWP is a scanario beacuse the NU refuses to join it. Yamina is a scenario because the New Right refuses to join it. But NU independent run is also a scenario, because the NU has never announced any such thing, and it doesn't seem to want that; it wishes to unite the whole religious Zionism. The NU has threatened to withdraw, but it hasn't announced that officially, and this threat doesn't sound serious. So until the NU makes up its mind, it seems like everything is a scenario... ערן117 ( talk) 05:20, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
https://hamodia.com/2019/12/31/smotrich-breaks-silence-otzma-yehudit-deal/
It seems like Smotrich definitely won't join Otzma and Jewish Home. I added refs on the article page for the election about Tkuma being in talks for a joint run with the New Right. David O. Johnson ( talk) 05:44, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
I'm wondering why there are no polls added to the official poll list. Everything, it seems, is below, in a "scenario" list. This is ridiculous. If you are going to have a page about Israeli election polls, you should put Israeli election polls on it in a visible place. If your Israeli election polls are "special" then put it in a "special" place. If ALL your Israeli election polls are "special" then they are not special at all. There have been 6 polls since the last one on the list. ALL six are marked as "special". Stop looking at the "special" section (IE: well this is a scenario, so it goes with scenarios) and look at the article as a whole; every poll that comes out that does not fit into the section of "real" polls only makes the quality of the article drop. This is harming the article as a whole. Nickjbor ( talk) 22:56, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
It's been a few months since the idea was first raised.
@ Kahlores, Jacoby531, and Nickjbor: Ongoing discussion you all may want to contribute to. David O. Johnson ( talk) 07:38, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
It is good to see people finally realize the need for a unified table.
So it seems all of us (5) agree to include merger and splits scenarios (Braganza excepted but I don't see his point).
As for Sa'ar, I suggest we keep the practice started by Spanish Wikipedian Impru20 who created an "Alternative scenarios" section, including polls with alternative leaders, or with a new party.
However, there is one thing we shouldn't be missing: most scenario polls are double-polls, that is, the same panel of respondents is asked two questions in a row, the second of which is more hypothetical than the other.
So the very meaning of these double polls is to allow for comparisons. Now, given the fact that you don't want to include "Sa'ar as Likud leader" in the main table, or "Sa'ar forms a new party", I suggest to provide comparisons like this:
Date | Polling firm | Publisher | Note |
Joint List |
Labor- Gesher |
Dem. Union |
Green |
Blue & White |
Yisrael Beiteinu |
Sa'ar party |
Likud |
New Right |
Nat. Union |
United J. Home |
Shas | UTJ | L | R | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 Jan 2020 | Panels Politics | Maariv | URWP [d] | 13 | 5 | (2.9%) | – | 36 | 8 | 30 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 7 | 54 | 58 | |||||
Sa'ar
[h], URWP [d] |
13 | 4 | – | – | 34 | 7 | 6 | 28 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 7 | 51 | 62 |
Date | Polling firm | Publisher | Note |
Joint List |
Labor- Gesher |
Dem. Union |
Green |
Blue & White |
Yisrael Beiteinu |
Sa'ar party |
Likud |
New Right |
Nat. Union |
United J. Home |
Shas | UTJ | L | R | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 Jan 2020 | Panels Politics | Maariv | Sa'ar
[h], URWP [d] |
13 ±0 |
4 –1 |
– | – | 34 –2 |
7 –1 |
6 +6 |
28 –2 |
6 ±0 |
7 ±0 |
8 ±0 |
7 ±0 |
51 –4 |
62 +4 |
In any case, I'll start to work to add the 10 new polls of these past few days, and I'll bring the table - leadership scenarios excepted - on to the article. Kahlores ( talk) 14:29, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
The new table has been kept up-to-date on my sandbox over the last 2 months, while the previous system was in place. However, I could not keep track of each and every edit and mostly copied-and-pasted the references of the last polls.
So please check whether your past edits have been incorporated, particularly regarding:
Kahlores ( talk) 00:15, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
@ ערן117, David O. Johnson, Jacoby531, and Gibzit:
As I said last week, "I need your support to bring it on the article because there are always people complaining for X or Y foolish reason, and reverting."
Here we are . . . Kahlores ( talk) 13:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
My edit yesterday was not a bold edit, as I've been patiently working on this for months, and garnering support.
Sadly, the issues most people bring up are minor, compared with the current chaos of the "scenarios" section.
You may partly or fully disagree with the left-right arrangement, but please show us another axis that never fails to manage mergers, splits and the battle for prime ministership?
For the first two, you can still have an ad hoc arrangement. For example, here's how the Israeli Wikipedia does it. Parties are arranged by seat count, except for alliances (right-wing and left-wing), that are explained with a special row in the header (below, Hebrew with English links) and the footer.
תוצאות סקרים מהכרזת הבחירות (12 בדצמבר 2019) ועד להגשת הרשימות (15 בינואר 2020) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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מופיעים רק סקרים המתחשבים באחוז החסימה בחישוב המנדטים |
For the English Wikipedia, this would give us this (let's call it plan B):
Date | Polling firm | Publisher |
Blue & White |
Likud |
Joint List |
Labor- Gesher- Meretz |
Green | Shas |
Yisrael Beiteinu |
UTJ |
New Right |
Nat. Union |
United J. Home |
L | R | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
33 | 32 | 13 | 10 | 1 | 9 | 8 | 7 | 3 | 2 | 2 |
However, plan B doesn't show what all polls or poll pundits calculate, namely the split for Prime ministership, which is the reason why there have been 3 elections in a year. It's like moving heaven and earth to avoid the risk of being slightly editorializing. We're not at all editorizalizing. Every poll which gave one camp over 60 seats, was published in the Israeli press with that news in its title!
Proof, if you needed one, that Plan A isn't pushing any POV. It's just following mainstream Israeli media, showing the fault lines of Israeli party politics.
So let's choose. Plan A or B?
Minor issues that could be talked elsewhere and later:
Kahlores ( talk) 22:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
please show us another axis that never fails to manage mergers, splits and the battle for prime ministership?I got mentioned in the discussion above as a reference for "Alternative scenarios" schemes which I applied in other articles, and I've never used a left-to-right arrangement of any sort (much less any L/R column scheme), so yes, it is very possible to manage mergers, splits and other such issues without it, but the key is to consider that not all alternative scenario polls should merit inclusion into the main tables. This is because some scenarios are about alternatives that will never materialize (not before the 2020 election, at least). They may be of interest for readers, but do not need to be included within the main row of polls because their importance is secondary. For example: all opinion polls asking on Gideon Sa'ar as Likud leader should not be included in the main table, because it is a certainty as of now that he won't be leading Likud into the election.
This is because some scenarios are about alternatives that will never materialize (not before the 2020 election, at least). They may be of interest for readers, but do not need to be included within the main row of polls because their importance is secondary.– well said. Some scenarios polls are only for media stunts, to bring more readers to the news site and engage readers, so there will be something to talk about everyday. It's the media trying to fill the time until the "showtime" of the elections. That is another reason why I think is should be separate from the main table, its make it harder to separate the wheat from the chaff. Sokuya ( talk) 18:48, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Hebrew wikipedia is still fighting if the two small parties (IDP and Golans party) made the alliance with labor. So I am waiting for the official lists tmr then we can update. Idan ( talk) 07:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
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In the table that shows the polling results since 15 January 2020 (the newest table) Likud and Blue&White have been mixed up. According to the table Likud holds 33 seats in the current Knesset while Blue&White holds 32. In reality it is the other way round. This needs to be changed Urgently! Yackshack ( talk) 06:12, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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Why is it still even listed? 82.166.134.110 ( talk) 16:49, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
What do we do with this poll? https://www.bhol.co.il/news/1087458 Sokuya ( talk) 08:41, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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