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Johngregoria - Thanks for your contributions, but without providing sources it looks like original research - which isn't allowed in articles. You can find out more about original research and citing sources here...
I feel many of the theories stated lack citations-- Avedeus ( talk) 21:49, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
If you can provide reliable sources for your information, please feel free to add it back into the article.
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Insight on the News (From the magazine Awake! on 1976) Solomon’s Mines Found?
● In the days of King David and King Solomon of ancient Israel, a place called “Ophir” was the source of fabulous amounts of gold. Much of the known gold supply of the ancient world is thought to have originated there. In the Bible book of First Chronicles, chapter 29, verse 4, King David is spoken of as donating 3,000 talents of gold from Ophir to the temple at Jerusalem, an amount valued at hundreds of millions of dollars today. Solomon’s trading fleets regularly brought back large amounts of gold from Ophir. (1 Ki. 9:26-28) There was so much gold then that silver was spoken of as being of relatively little value.—1 Ki. 10:21.
Now geologists say that they may have found “King Solomon’s Mine” in Saudi Arabia. Between Mecca and Medina is an area, located in a mountainous region, known as the “Cradle of Gold.” There geologists found a vast abandoned gold mine. Among their finds are huge quantities of waste rock, an estimated million tons, left by the ancient miners, still containing traces of gold. Thousands of stone hammers and grindstones used to extract the gold from the ore litter the mine slopes. Said geologist Robert W. Luce: “Our investigations have now confirmed that the old mine could have been as rich as described in biblical accounts.”-- Standforder ( talk) 22:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
What's with this claim? Great Zimbabwe is a site out of medieval times (11th century and later). This article should not refer to speculations that are now known to be baseless. Cush ( talk) 18:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
From the article: "Most modern scholars still place Ophir either on the coast of either Pakistan or India, in what is now Poovar, or somewhere in southwest Arabia in the region of modern Yemen." Really? Pakistan has no apes and probably didn't in Biblical times, and Arabia certainly had neither apes, peacocks, nor ivory in the Biblical period. India has all three (so does Africa, but the Congo Peafowl is far too far inland for anyone with contact with the Israelites of 1000-900 BC to have encountered). And where does the assumption that Ophir was a major city come from? The Bible only mentions it as a source of riches; the catching of peacocks, ivory hunting, gold mining etc. could all have been done by a relatively small group which isn't well recorded in history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vultur ( talk • contribs) 08:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
It is generally identified with Abhira now. Reasons are, they were both people and name of country. They are still found in India, and peacock, apes and sandalwood all are found in India only. [ http://books.google.com/books? id=KpINAQAAIAAJ&q=ophir+abhira&dq=ophir+abhira&ei=f5FoS-SrGZ-CkASYsPDkBg&cd=5]. Probable destinations include, Sind(Pakistan) and more probably Gujrat(India), because river Indus flowed through the country of Abhira, and Ophir is supposed to be a port. It is also suggested they went further inside the sind sailing through river Indus. Ikon No-Blast 21:14, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Ophir is a town of Abhira tribe.
The Hindu world: an encyclopedic survey of Hinduism, Volume 2
The East and the West, Volume 5-page-193
Just a heads-up. A YouTube channel (The God Culture) has been spreading the Philippines-Ophir myth for quite some time now, and it's starting to gain ground among validation-seeking Filipinos. It may sound plausible at first, but thorough understanding of the nature of Ophir and awareness of the various theories equips the listener/viewer in countering the assumptions which the author insists is biblical and historical. It may be wise to restrict editing for this page before they drop by. I am Filipino myself which is why I am concerned, and unfortunately no effort has been made yet by any historical expert to address this issue point by point and so the unfounded theory persists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightvisiongoggles ( talk • contribs) 16:16, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
I have disagreed with him in his YouTube videos myself since he hates Jesuits and my sister is a Jesuit educated woman studying genetic engineering. However, the person who is ardently saying that the Philippines is Ophir isn't even Filipino himself, he's an American (The God Culture). The most impassioned fighters of lost, hidden and destroyed Filipino culture aren't Filipino themselves. It's because of people like you, self-hating Filipinos who shame us proud Filipinos that force foreigners to take up the cudgel on our behalf.
Hate the self-hate! Peace and love! Rene Bascos Sarabia Jr. ( talk) 13:38, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Mr. Sarabia, it seems you have a solid evidence that the Philippines is Ophir. There is nothing close to Ophir in pre-colonial Philippines; the archipelago (including its neighbors) does not even have the apes and peacocks described in the Biblical account.
Your sister's Jesuit education has nothing to do with that channel's theories.
Do not equate objective, critical analysis with self-hate. To dismiss that erroneous theory is to affirm the historical accuracy of the Philippines and not to be deluded with embellishments and fallacious, unbiblical, and unhistorical claims. The Philippine archipelago does not have to claim it is Ophir, it is even malicious to assume so without proper understanding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightvisiongoggles ( talk • contribs) 19:03, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm pretty surprised to see that nobody has claimed that Ophir is really equivalent to Opone given that it also traded in the same goods and is associated with the Land of Punt which has a similar mythical status as a source of riches and exotic flora \ fauna.
The God Culture made a long Solomon's gold series on the location of Ophir. He is now making 100 videos proving the Phillippines are Ophir. Go watch it it hasn't been disproven yet in 2 years. I also know you can't say "proud" while being a real christian. Logawinner ( talk) 01:17, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
The intro of this piece states incorrectly that the three-yearly cargo of "gold, silver, ivory" etc was from Ophir. This is incorrect; the Biblical reference is that this cargo came from Tharshish, a different place entirely, generally accepted to be somewhere in the western Mediterranean (probably Spain or, less possibly, Carthage). See George Rawlinson "History of the Phoenician People", ref 1496. However, the reference in the body of the article to the cargo from Ophir (almug-trees etc) is correct. 2A00:23C5:8A9B:400:E53C:CD88:7EE2:86F ( talk) 08:34, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
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Johngregoria - Thanks for your contributions, but without providing sources it looks like original research - which isn't allowed in articles. You can find out more about original research and citing sources here...
I feel many of the theories stated lack citations-- Avedeus ( talk) 21:49, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
If you can provide reliable sources for your information, please feel free to add it back into the article.
-- Purple Wyrm ( talk) 04:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
The image Image:Hadon of Ancient Opar.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. -- 09:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Insight on the News
Insight on the News (From the magazine Awake! on 1976) Solomon’s Mines Found?
● In the days of King David and King Solomon of ancient Israel, a place called “Ophir” was the source of fabulous amounts of gold. Much of the known gold supply of the ancient world is thought to have originated there. In the Bible book of First Chronicles, chapter 29, verse 4, King David is spoken of as donating 3,000 talents of gold from Ophir to the temple at Jerusalem, an amount valued at hundreds of millions of dollars today. Solomon’s trading fleets regularly brought back large amounts of gold from Ophir. (1 Ki. 9:26-28) There was so much gold then that silver was spoken of as being of relatively little value.—1 Ki. 10:21.
Now geologists say that they may have found “King Solomon’s Mine” in Saudi Arabia. Between Mecca and Medina is an area, located in a mountainous region, known as the “Cradle of Gold.” There geologists found a vast abandoned gold mine. Among their finds are huge quantities of waste rock, an estimated million tons, left by the ancient miners, still containing traces of gold. Thousands of stone hammers and grindstones used to extract the gold from the ore litter the mine slopes. Said geologist Robert W. Luce: “Our investigations have now confirmed that the old mine could have been as rich as described in biblical accounts.”-- Standforder ( talk) 22:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
What's with this claim? Great Zimbabwe is a site out of medieval times (11th century and later). This article should not refer to speculations that are now known to be baseless. Cush ( talk) 18:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
From the article: "Most modern scholars still place Ophir either on the coast of either Pakistan or India, in what is now Poovar, or somewhere in southwest Arabia in the region of modern Yemen." Really? Pakistan has no apes and probably didn't in Biblical times, and Arabia certainly had neither apes, peacocks, nor ivory in the Biblical period. India has all three (so does Africa, but the Congo Peafowl is far too far inland for anyone with contact with the Israelites of 1000-900 BC to have encountered). And where does the assumption that Ophir was a major city come from? The Bible only mentions it as a source of riches; the catching of peacocks, ivory hunting, gold mining etc. could all have been done by a relatively small group which isn't well recorded in history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vultur ( talk • contribs) 08:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
It is generally identified with Abhira now. Reasons are, they were both people and name of country. They are still found in India, and peacock, apes and sandalwood all are found in India only. [ http://books.google.com/books? id=KpINAQAAIAAJ&q=ophir+abhira&dq=ophir+abhira&ei=f5FoS-SrGZ-CkASYsPDkBg&cd=5]. Probable destinations include, Sind(Pakistan) and more probably Gujrat(India), because river Indus flowed through the country of Abhira, and Ophir is supposed to be a port. It is also suggested they went further inside the sind sailing through river Indus. Ikon No-Blast 21:14, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Ophir is a town of Abhira tribe.
The Hindu world: an encyclopedic survey of Hinduism, Volume 2
The East and the West, Volume 5-page-193
Just a heads-up. A YouTube channel (The God Culture) has been spreading the Philippines-Ophir myth for quite some time now, and it's starting to gain ground among validation-seeking Filipinos. It may sound plausible at first, but thorough understanding of the nature of Ophir and awareness of the various theories equips the listener/viewer in countering the assumptions which the author insists is biblical and historical. It may be wise to restrict editing for this page before they drop by. I am Filipino myself which is why I am concerned, and unfortunately no effort has been made yet by any historical expert to address this issue point by point and so the unfounded theory persists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightvisiongoggles ( talk • contribs) 16:16, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
I have disagreed with him in his YouTube videos myself since he hates Jesuits and my sister is a Jesuit educated woman studying genetic engineering. However, the person who is ardently saying that the Philippines is Ophir isn't even Filipino himself, he's an American (The God Culture). The most impassioned fighters of lost, hidden and destroyed Filipino culture aren't Filipino themselves. It's because of people like you, self-hating Filipinos who shame us proud Filipinos that force foreigners to take up the cudgel on our behalf.
Hate the self-hate! Peace and love! Rene Bascos Sarabia Jr. ( talk) 13:38, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Mr. Sarabia, it seems you have a solid evidence that the Philippines is Ophir. There is nothing close to Ophir in pre-colonial Philippines; the archipelago (including its neighbors) does not even have the apes and peacocks described in the Biblical account.
Your sister's Jesuit education has nothing to do with that channel's theories.
Do not equate objective, critical analysis with self-hate. To dismiss that erroneous theory is to affirm the historical accuracy of the Philippines and not to be deluded with embellishments and fallacious, unbiblical, and unhistorical claims. The Philippine archipelago does not have to claim it is Ophir, it is even malicious to assume so without proper understanding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightvisiongoggles ( talk • contribs) 19:03, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm pretty surprised to see that nobody has claimed that Ophir is really equivalent to Opone given that it also traded in the same goods and is associated with the Land of Punt which has a similar mythical status as a source of riches and exotic flora \ fauna.
The God Culture made a long Solomon's gold series on the location of Ophir. He is now making 100 videos proving the Phillippines are Ophir. Go watch it it hasn't been disproven yet in 2 years. I also know you can't say "proud" while being a real christian. Logawinner ( talk) 01:17, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
The intro of this piece states incorrectly that the three-yearly cargo of "gold, silver, ivory" etc was from Ophir. This is incorrect; the Biblical reference is that this cargo came from Tharshish, a different place entirely, generally accepted to be somewhere in the western Mediterranean (probably Spain or, less possibly, Carthage). See George Rawlinson "History of the Phoenician People", ref 1496. However, the reference in the body of the article to the cargo from Ophir (almug-trees etc) is correct. 2A00:23C5:8A9B:400:E53C:CD88:7EE2:86F ( talk) 08:34, 20 March 2022 (UTC)