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The article "Survival Town" Atom Test is about a 2 minute 45 second film clip on Youtube. The film clip itself is not notable, and any use it has in Wikipedia is as illustrative imagery for this (Operation Teapot) article. -- Donald Albury 12:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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This needs further explanation: What exactly is meant by "Failed"? Is the stated 14kt a projected estimate which didn't materialize? Or did it "fizzle" compared to the full 29kt of No2? And what exactly is meant by "Rerun"? I mean if Apple-2 was the one with the "Survival Town" experiment on Area 1, I bet they didn't move the whole town there from Area 4, or did they? -- BjKa ( talk) 21:16, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
The table on this page and the contents of any nuclear tests infobox are generated from a database of nuclear testing which I have maintained and researched for a number of years. The table is automatically generated from that database by a Visual Basic script, and then has, periodically, been inserted into the page manually. I began doing this in October of 2013.
Recently a user complained (politely) to me about the practice. It seems to him that it removes control from all editors besides myself over the content. He believes it is tantamount to WP:OWNED of the pages affected. He also points out that there is no public mention of the fact anywhere on wikipedia, and that is true, through my own oversight, until now.
There was no intent that the pages affected should be owned by myself; in fact, one of my reasons for building these pages was to solicit (in the wikipedia way) criticism and corrections to the data, perhaps additional references that I had been unable to locate. I have regenerated the tables twice in the days since they were originally placed. Each time I did so, I performed a diff between the current version and the version that I put up in the previous cycle; all corrections were then either entered into the database or corrected in the programming, as appropriate. As may be guessed, the programming corrections were frequent to start out as suggestions about the table formatting were raised, and most incorporated. I have not made judgements on the "usefulness" of corrections; all have been incorporated, or I have communicated directly with the editor to settle the matter. In fact it was in pursuing such a correction that this matter came up.
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SkoreKeep ( talk) 02:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
United States. Congress. Joint Committee on Atomic Energy, U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (1967). Hearings and reports on atomic energy, Volume 20 Hearings and Reports on Atomic Energy, United States. Congress. Joint Committee on Atomic Energy. Compiled by Melvin Price, Publisher U.S. G.P.O., 1957, Original from University of Chicago, Digitized Dec 16, 2010.
Pages 438, 757 skyshine. pg776 Operation Doorstep/ Upshot Knothole shot Annie or Operation Teapot/ Operation Cue in shot MET &/or Apple-2 house construction, pg 720 multi-storey scale model experimental tests, 799 basement areas with highest PF protection factor of 40, 756 calculated methods, 823 areas that fallout may pile up outside of houses with wind.
Video for some of these tests was recently released by Livermore and is now on Wikimedia Commons. Here's one camera angle from angles for Teapot/Tesla (several angles are available). 198.58.162.200 ( talk) 00:06, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
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The article "Survival Town" Atom Test is about a 2 minute 45 second film clip on Youtube. The film clip itself is not notable, and any use it has in Wikipedia is as illustrative imagery for this (Operation Teapot) article. -- Donald Albury 12:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
The Article currently says
This needs further explanation: What exactly is meant by "Failed"? Is the stated 14kt a projected estimate which didn't materialize? Or did it "fizzle" compared to the full 29kt of No2? And what exactly is meant by "Rerun"? I mean if Apple-2 was the one with the "Survival Town" experiment on Area 1, I bet they didn't move the whole town there from Area 4, or did they? -- BjKa ( talk) 21:16, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
The table on this page and the contents of any nuclear tests infobox are generated from a database of nuclear testing which I have maintained and researched for a number of years. The table is automatically generated from that database by a Visual Basic script, and then has, periodically, been inserted into the page manually. I began doing this in October of 2013.
Recently a user complained (politely) to me about the practice. It seems to him that it removes control from all editors besides myself over the content. He believes it is tantamount to WP:OWNED of the pages affected. He also points out that there is no public mention of the fact anywhere on wikipedia, and that is true, through my own oversight, until now.
There was no intent that the pages affected should be owned by myself; in fact, one of my reasons for building these pages was to solicit (in the wikipedia way) criticism and corrections to the data, perhaps additional references that I had been unable to locate. I have regenerated the tables twice in the days since they were originally placed. Each time I did so, I performed a diff between the current version and the version that I put up in the previous cycle; all corrections were then either entered into the database or corrected in the programming, as appropriate. As may be guessed, the programming corrections were frequent to start out as suggestions about the table formatting were raised, and most incorporated. I have not made judgements on the "usefulness" of corrections; all have been incorporated, or I have communicated directly with the editor to settle the matter. In fact it was in pursuing such a correction that this matter came up.
I am posting this comment on the Talk page of every page containing content which is so generated. If you would like to comment on this matter, please go to the copy on Talk:List of nuclear tests so the discussion can be kept together. I will also be placing a maintained template on each Talk page (if anyone would like also to be named as a maintainer on one or all pages, you are welcome). I solicit all comments and suggestions.
SkoreKeep ( talk) 02:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
United States. Congress. Joint Committee on Atomic Energy, U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (1967). Hearings and reports on atomic energy, Volume 20 Hearings and Reports on Atomic Energy, United States. Congress. Joint Committee on Atomic Energy. Compiled by Melvin Price, Publisher U.S. G.P.O., 1957, Original from University of Chicago, Digitized Dec 16, 2010.
Pages 438, 757 skyshine. pg776 Operation Doorstep/ Upshot Knothole shot Annie or Operation Teapot/ Operation Cue in shot MET &/or Apple-2 house construction, pg 720 multi-storey scale model experimental tests, 799 basement areas with highest PF protection factor of 40, 756 calculated methods, 823 areas that fallout may pile up outside of houses with wind.
Video for some of these tests was recently released by Livermore and is now on Wikimedia Commons. Here's one camera angle from angles for Teapot/Tesla (several angles are available). 198.58.162.200 ( talk) 00:06, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
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Evaluation of the article.
Overall, this article is severely lacking in information. The chart is poorly generated and too large to be convenient in research. The strength of the article is that it provides a decent overview of the number of tests. It can be improved by adding additional information about individual tests. There are several books about nuclear tests and the Federal Civil Defense Administration did publish booklets to explain the tests. The addition of more contextual information and a wider variety of tests would help understand Operation Teapot. This article is not well-developed and is very incomplete. The chart alone lists 14 tests but only 4 receive some type of information. Jamespgj ( talk) 16:24, 24 January 2020 (UTC)