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try to add a battlebox to understand better the aftermatch
Agreed a very good article, just needs some details about the supplies delivered and lost to make it excellent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.141.29 ( talk) 14:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I expanded this article, added a battlebox and I uploaded a series of images for this article. Contact me for ay improvement. Reuv 17:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
This is a good article but I only have the power to upgrade it to B class. However, I sugest that you nominate it for GAC and later on A-class review at WPMILHIST. Good luck! Kyriakos 00:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
The battle should be marked as success and victory for the Allies. It should be noted that there was no fuel and spareparts left for airplanes,the gunners had a ration how much shells should they fire, and food left for the population was just for a few days more (some sources say about 10 days was the maximum). By food here we mean the basic needs, such as flour and potatoes not other commodities. The convoy brought these necessary supplies for Malta to fight till the next convoy can be despatched. 88.203.76.186 ( talk) 10:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Re the infobox and the post-nominal initials of one of the British commanders: CB means Companion of the Bath (see blue link above.) Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 17:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Firstly, I think this is a very good article, on a series of events which are often forgotten or not taken into account when the Allied victory in the western desert is evaluated. Secondly, permit me some comments:
I made some minor changes to the article, refer the history section for those. Farawayman ( talk) 20:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Interview with a german stuka pilot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk6QHXdRBUo&feature=relmfu
Rainer E. 84.150.23.175 ( talk) 16:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
In this section it mentions Vice-Admiral Syfret was knighted (KCB) for his "bravery and dauntless resolution in fighting an important Convoy through to Malta in the face of relentless attacks by day and night from enemy submarines, aircraft, and surface forces." I think this is incorrect and that it was my grandfather, Rear Admiral Sir Harold Martin Burrough. He commanded the close escort from his flagshp HMS Nigeria and when she was torpedoed (the ship listed sharply, sailors looked up expectantly and Admiral Burrough said "don't worry, she'll hold, lets have a cigarette" and the tension passed) he transferred his flag to HMS Ashanti. I know Admiral Burrough won his KCB for this action (I still have the book "Malta Convoy" signed by him). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charles boyall ( talk • contribs) 22:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
@ Damwiki: Is the Hooton book 2010 or 2001? Keith-264 ( talk) 17:39, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I assumed 2010 as per the cite in Siege of Malta. The staging of fighters is covered in other works as well, for example. Damwiki1 ( talk) 18:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
You cite Roskill 1957 but I don't see an entry for that year in the bibliography.
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Operation Pedestal/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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Last edited at 20:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 01:54, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Obtained Greene and Massignani which has been a great help in rationalising the patchwork from other sources and clarifying the chronology, it also contains a much better account of Axis operations than the previous sources. Keith-264 ( talk) 15:43, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
This has the sense of a thing done but supply is continuous so being revitalised isn't enough; I toyed with re-victualled but it has the same problem. Keith-264 ( talk) 07:10, 17 August 2017 (UTC) @ LostandCatatonic: Thanks for the edit, do you have the page numbers handy pls Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 21:24, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
@ Xyl 54: Greetings, curious why you removed commanders under NPOV since some were axis and others Allied. I named the ones I could cite. Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 08:23, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Francesco Mattesini
LA BATTAGLIA AERONAVALE DI MEZZO AGOSTO :Il contrasto delle forze italo-tedesche all’operazione britannica «Pedestal» (10 - 15 Agosto 1942) RiStampa Edizioni
The book, with a book price of 48 Euros, consists of 675 pages, richly illustrated with maps and photographs, and printed in very white coated paper.
The first copies were delivered today to the ARES Library in Rome, Via Lorenzo il Magnifico, 46 - tel. 06 56547201.
And also at the Veterland Library - Alberto Manca (library, vaterland @ gmail.com), Via Azuni 21 09077 Solarussa (OR) - Tel. 0783374730, cell. 3292289495.
If you wish, you can contact the Editor, my brother, architect Silvano Mattesini, passionate and writer of Ancient Roman History, to take orders to be honored by bank transfer, and related shipping costs (15 Euros):
with regard Francesco Mattesini — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.45.230.149 ( talk) 10:59, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
British historian Sir Max Hastings has published a major new book on this battle titled Operation Pedestal. I would think any article without it would be incomplete at best and possibly outdated in certain areas. -- Green C 21:03, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
The addition of a brief sentence on pilfering from convoy supplies has made me look at the background section again. While it mentions the dire situation that Malta was in terms of being able to continue as a military resource and some of the emergency measures considered to stave off starvation I don't think it provides sufficient information on how desparate the situation was. Perhaps some more context could be provided from the general article on the siege. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 06:32, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
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try to add a battlebox to understand better the aftermatch
Agreed a very good article, just needs some details about the supplies delivered and lost to make it excellent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.141.29 ( talk) 14:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I expanded this article, added a battlebox and I uploaded a series of images for this article. Contact me for ay improvement. Reuv 17:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
This is a good article but I only have the power to upgrade it to B class. However, I sugest that you nominate it for GAC and later on A-class review at WPMILHIST. Good luck! Kyriakos 00:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
The battle should be marked as success and victory for the Allies. It should be noted that there was no fuel and spareparts left for airplanes,the gunners had a ration how much shells should they fire, and food left for the population was just for a few days more (some sources say about 10 days was the maximum). By food here we mean the basic needs, such as flour and potatoes not other commodities. The convoy brought these necessary supplies for Malta to fight till the next convoy can be despatched. 88.203.76.186 ( talk) 10:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Re the infobox and the post-nominal initials of one of the British commanders: CB means Companion of the Bath (see blue link above.) Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 17:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Firstly, I think this is a very good article, on a series of events which are often forgotten or not taken into account when the Allied victory in the western desert is evaluated. Secondly, permit me some comments:
I made some minor changes to the article, refer the history section for those. Farawayman ( talk) 20:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Interview with a german stuka pilot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk6QHXdRBUo&feature=relmfu
Rainer E. 84.150.23.175 ( talk) 16:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
In this section it mentions Vice-Admiral Syfret was knighted (KCB) for his "bravery and dauntless resolution in fighting an important Convoy through to Malta in the face of relentless attacks by day and night from enemy submarines, aircraft, and surface forces." I think this is incorrect and that it was my grandfather, Rear Admiral Sir Harold Martin Burrough. He commanded the close escort from his flagshp HMS Nigeria and when she was torpedoed (the ship listed sharply, sailors looked up expectantly and Admiral Burrough said "don't worry, she'll hold, lets have a cigarette" and the tension passed) he transferred his flag to HMS Ashanti. I know Admiral Burrough won his KCB for this action (I still have the book "Malta Convoy" signed by him). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charles boyall ( talk • contribs) 22:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
@ Damwiki: Is the Hooton book 2010 or 2001? Keith-264 ( talk) 17:39, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I assumed 2010 as per the cite in Siege of Malta. The staging of fighters is covered in other works as well, for example. Damwiki1 ( talk) 18:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
You cite Roskill 1957 but I don't see an entry for that year in the bibliography.
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Operation Pedestal/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
All comments and discussions are located at Talk:Operation Pedestal Farawayman ( talk) 20:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC) |
Last edited at 20:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 01:54, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Obtained Greene and Massignani which has been a great help in rationalising the patchwork from other sources and clarifying the chronology, it also contains a much better account of Axis operations than the previous sources. Keith-264 ( talk) 15:43, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
This has the sense of a thing done but supply is continuous so being revitalised isn't enough; I toyed with re-victualled but it has the same problem. Keith-264 ( talk) 07:10, 17 August 2017 (UTC) @ LostandCatatonic: Thanks for the edit, do you have the page numbers handy pls Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 21:24, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
@ Xyl 54: Greetings, curious why you removed commanders under NPOV since some were axis and others Allied. I named the ones I could cite. Regards Keith-264 ( talk) 08:23, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Francesco Mattesini
LA BATTAGLIA AERONAVALE DI MEZZO AGOSTO :Il contrasto delle forze italo-tedesche all’operazione britannica «Pedestal» (10 - 15 Agosto 1942) RiStampa Edizioni
The book, with a book price of 48 Euros, consists of 675 pages, richly illustrated with maps and photographs, and printed in very white coated paper.
The first copies were delivered today to the ARES Library in Rome, Via Lorenzo il Magnifico, 46 - tel. 06 56547201.
And also at the Veterland Library - Alberto Manca (library, vaterland @ gmail.com), Via Azuni 21 09077 Solarussa (OR) - Tel. 0783374730, cell. 3292289495.
If you wish, you can contact the Editor, my brother, architect Silvano Mattesini, passionate and writer of Ancient Roman History, to take orders to be honored by bank transfer, and related shipping costs (15 Euros):
with regard Francesco Mattesini — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.45.230.149 ( talk) 10:59, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
British historian Sir Max Hastings has published a major new book on this battle titled Operation Pedestal. I would think any article without it would be incomplete at best and possibly outdated in certain areas. -- Green C 21:03, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
The addition of a brief sentence on pilfering from convoy supplies has made me look at the background section again. While it mentions the dire situation that Malta was in terms of being able to continue as a military resource and some of the emergency measures considered to stave off starvation I don't think it provides sufficient information on how desparate the situation was. Perhaps some more context could be provided from the general article on the siege. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 06:32, 20 August 2022 (UTC)