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NYT says the website was pulled because they posted some serious nuclear stuff, we need some hands to help work this article esp. since it had some exposure on the drudge report. Emax0 03:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the BBC also said (c 3 Nov 06) that all the documents had been pulled because nuclear weapon design information was there (in Arabic). The 'expert' on the BBC World item refused to discuss in detail what was released, as it was too sensitive. But it seems hard to turn up any news about this. Is it a cover up? - Earthlyreason
Papers "may or may not" have been produced by Saddam Hussein's government? This is meaningless. Clearly someone thinks they were: quote them, and give attribution. E.g. "Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents refers to ... that the U.S. Government claims were produced by the government of Saddam Hussein". Or something. Anything's better than a meaningless tautology. JulesH 19:47, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I've tried to put the references for this page in standard format, but there are a number of broken links. We also need some attention to the external links; there may be duplications... Alba 05:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Is the purpose of this article to reference Iraqi Freedom documents, or is it to serve as a repository of essays regarding Iraqi Freedom documents. I removed one such instance from external links that was particularly POV, however it should be noted that they're rife on both sides of the issue and should probably be removed. Thoughts? / Blaxthos 08:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Ron, you deleted an entire section entitled "Nuclear secrets" that dealt with recent developments in favor of adding in outdated information. The material that was deleted is out of date and no longer relevant -- nobody found any Saddam/alQaeda links in the documents, the SSCI confirmed this, and the question of whether these materials were properly exploited before being released on the net is no longer a relevant one. It's odd to me that a couple days after you come back you immediately start a revert war by making edits that make it seem as if nothing changed in the world after you stopped editing wikipedia. I'm not sure who my "friend" is in your post. You say I am limiting info to one side of the story; I see no evidence you've even read what you deleted. What is it you think I am hiding? If an article "will eventually be noted" then it should "eventually" be cited -- we cite sources when we make the claims that need the cites, not before we've even used them for anything.- csloat 06:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a soapbox for anyone to stand on -- it is an attempt to catalogue knowledge. WP:NPOV is not a blunt instrument you can use to wedge POV sources or information into articles, via references or external links. As far as RonCram -- I only just ran into him on another article a few days ago, and here. His behavior -- including false claims of personal attacks, and repeated POV pushing in multiple articles -- has caused me to no longer assume good faith regarding his edits or his agenda. I found this article quite by accident and noted (above) my question regarding its purpose and its POV (note on both sides). I do not have the time to argue back and forth with editors with an agenda -- I will gladly participate in any RfC's or straw polls on this topic, but I won't give validation to those who game the system or wikilawyer. / Blaxthos 08:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
"The Cryptome.org website has posted some of the removed Iraqi nuclear documents."
Really? I don't see them there. -- 98.217.8.46 ( talk) 18:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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NYT says the website was pulled because they posted some serious nuclear stuff, we need some hands to help work this article esp. since it had some exposure on the drudge report. Emax0 03:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the BBC also said (c 3 Nov 06) that all the documents had been pulled because nuclear weapon design information was there (in Arabic). The 'expert' on the BBC World item refused to discuss in detail what was released, as it was too sensitive. But it seems hard to turn up any news about this. Is it a cover up? - Earthlyreason
Papers "may or may not" have been produced by Saddam Hussein's government? This is meaningless. Clearly someone thinks they were: quote them, and give attribution. E.g. "Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents refers to ... that the U.S. Government claims were produced by the government of Saddam Hussein". Or something. Anything's better than a meaningless tautology. JulesH 19:47, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I've tried to put the references for this page in standard format, but there are a number of broken links. We also need some attention to the external links; there may be duplications... Alba 05:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Is the purpose of this article to reference Iraqi Freedom documents, or is it to serve as a repository of essays regarding Iraqi Freedom documents. I removed one such instance from external links that was particularly POV, however it should be noted that they're rife on both sides of the issue and should probably be removed. Thoughts? / Blaxthos 08:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Ron, you deleted an entire section entitled "Nuclear secrets" that dealt with recent developments in favor of adding in outdated information. The material that was deleted is out of date and no longer relevant -- nobody found any Saddam/alQaeda links in the documents, the SSCI confirmed this, and the question of whether these materials were properly exploited before being released on the net is no longer a relevant one. It's odd to me that a couple days after you come back you immediately start a revert war by making edits that make it seem as if nothing changed in the world after you stopped editing wikipedia. I'm not sure who my "friend" is in your post. You say I am limiting info to one side of the story; I see no evidence you've even read what you deleted. What is it you think I am hiding? If an article "will eventually be noted" then it should "eventually" be cited -- we cite sources when we make the claims that need the cites, not before we've even used them for anything.- csloat 06:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a soapbox for anyone to stand on -- it is an attempt to catalogue knowledge. WP:NPOV is not a blunt instrument you can use to wedge POV sources or information into articles, via references or external links. As far as RonCram -- I only just ran into him on another article a few days ago, and here. His behavior -- including false claims of personal attacks, and repeated POV pushing in multiple articles -- has caused me to no longer assume good faith regarding his edits or his agenda. I found this article quite by accident and noted (above) my question regarding its purpose and its POV (note on both sides). I do not have the time to argue back and forth with editors with an agenda -- I will gladly participate in any RfC's or straw polls on this topic, but I won't give validation to those who game the system or wikilawyer. / Blaxthos 08:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
"The Cryptome.org website has posted some of the removed Iraqi nuclear documents."
Really? I don't see them there. -- 98.217.8.46 ( talk) 18:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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