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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Move proposal failed to gain any support. ( non-admin closure) — Frayæ ( Talk/ Spjall) 09:26, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Operation Hope Not → Funeral of Winston Churchill – Article concerns the funeral of Churchill as a historical event, not just the plan for it that existed over the previous decade. Hard to justify that the planning stage is more notable than the event itself, when these plans were put into action as intended. Also worth considering that resources around the event are likely to increase when it is depicted in the next season of The Crown (TV series), and the article should be placed to anticipate such an expansion of interest/editing. U-Mos ( talk) 02:11, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
In "It was the first state funeral of a British civilian in the 20th century," what do we mean by British civilian? This wasn't the first of a non-royal; do we mean commoner? (In the strict UK sense that anyone neither Monarch nor peer is a commoner.) DBD 13:53, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. No consensus at this point, and the previous request was rejected in October. No need to prolong this. Calidum 01:04, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Operation Hope Not →
Funeral of Winston Churchill – Second nomination.
WP:CONTENTFORKING issue raised in previous move proposal has now been tackled, as per discussion at
Talk:Later life of Winston Churchill#Merger proposal, so full discussion of the article's name can now take place. Article is now (even more) substantially about the funeral itself, not merely its planning. It is already linked as such in at
Template:Winston Churchill. Discussions indicate that this is the preferred structure for Churchill's pages, and I would argue that "Funeral of Winston Churchill" encompasses both the plan ('Operation Hope Not') and the event itself, whereas "Operation Hope Not" only indicates the former. This is misleading, as (considering the plan was enacted as intended) it is impossible (and not desirable) to talk about the plan without discussing the event itself. Additionally, more detailed references are currently included for the day of the funeral itself than the plan. If the move goes ahead, the opening lines of the current lead section would be moved down to the 'Plan' section.
U-Mos (
talk) 02:21, 17 November 2018 (UTC) --Relisted.
Paine Ellsworth, ed.
put'r there
00:23, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
@ Chhandama, SmokeyJoe, Erpert, and Reidgreg: Invite to respond those involved in previous discussions. U-Mos ( talk) 02:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC) @ Britmax and Kablammo: Invite other significant editors to contribute. U-Mos ( talk) 05:23, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
See Talk:Winston_Churchill#Spinout_Winston_Churchill#Personal_life.
I am proposing that the alcohol paragraph, which sits unflowingly at Later_life_of_Winston_Churchill#Later_life in between resignation and retirement, should be woven into his personal life, which should be spun out to a new article. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 06:20, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Seems to be a myth? https://www.strangehistory.net/2012/03/15/churchill-de-gaulle-and-waterloo Ain92 ( talk) 13:26, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Move proposal failed to gain any support. ( non-admin closure) — Frayæ ( Talk/ Spjall) 09:26, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Operation Hope Not → Funeral of Winston Churchill – Article concerns the funeral of Churchill as a historical event, not just the plan for it that existed over the previous decade. Hard to justify that the planning stage is more notable than the event itself, when these plans were put into action as intended. Also worth considering that resources around the event are likely to increase when it is depicted in the next season of The Crown (TV series), and the article should be placed to anticipate such an expansion of interest/editing. U-Mos ( talk) 02:11, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
In "It was the first state funeral of a British civilian in the 20th century," what do we mean by British civilian? This wasn't the first of a non-royal; do we mean commoner? (In the strict UK sense that anyone neither Monarch nor peer is a commoner.) DBD 13:53, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. No consensus at this point, and the previous request was rejected in October. No need to prolong this. Calidum 01:04, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Operation Hope Not →
Funeral of Winston Churchill – Second nomination.
WP:CONTENTFORKING issue raised in previous move proposal has now been tackled, as per discussion at
Talk:Later life of Winston Churchill#Merger proposal, so full discussion of the article's name can now take place. Article is now (even more) substantially about the funeral itself, not merely its planning. It is already linked as such in at
Template:Winston Churchill. Discussions indicate that this is the preferred structure for Churchill's pages, and I would argue that "Funeral of Winston Churchill" encompasses both the plan ('Operation Hope Not') and the event itself, whereas "Operation Hope Not" only indicates the former. This is misleading, as (considering the plan was enacted as intended) it is impossible (and not desirable) to talk about the plan without discussing the event itself. Additionally, more detailed references are currently included for the day of the funeral itself than the plan. If the move goes ahead, the opening lines of the current lead section would be moved down to the 'Plan' section.
U-Mos (
talk) 02:21, 17 November 2018 (UTC) --Relisted.
Paine Ellsworth, ed.
put'r there
00:23, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
@ Chhandama, SmokeyJoe, Erpert, and Reidgreg: Invite to respond those involved in previous discussions. U-Mos ( talk) 02:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC) @ Britmax and Kablammo: Invite other significant editors to contribute. U-Mos ( talk) 05:23, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
See Talk:Winston_Churchill#Spinout_Winston_Churchill#Personal_life.
I am proposing that the alcohol paragraph, which sits unflowingly at Later_life_of_Winston_Churchill#Later_life in between resignation and retirement, should be woven into his personal life, which should be spun out to a new article. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 06:20, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Seems to be a myth? https://www.strangehistory.net/2012/03/15/churchill-de-gaulle-and-waterloo Ain92 ( talk) 13:26, 19 September 2022 (UTC)