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Is there a way to condense the size of this picture and have it used in our article? Since Joseph Tabenkin was the officer in charge of operations, I think that it is worthy of having his photograph shown in the article, even though the photo is post-war.
. Will be glad to hear any responses. Davidbena ( talk) 12:57, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
User:Huldra, can I please ask you why you do not first start a discussion on the Talk-Pages and on the Wikipedia/Reliable sources/Noticeboard before you delete sources? Can you imagine if everyone did what you did, simply because he wasn't sure about the source being reliable or not? Heally Gross is an Israeli author. She happens to be a third generation of writers from her family, having compiled several books. Here is a brief description of her published books (click here), where she writes on places in Israel's modern history, from the foundation of the Modern State of Israel unto the present. She approaches each subject with a critical demeanor, bringing down in her works the archival material from which she draws her information (citing many academic sources). She is also a lecturer. She also has her own YouTube channel which you can see here, and there is a video showing how she interviewed Arab residents of Allar (now Mata, Israel) before publishing her book, which you can see here. See minutes 1:35 - ff. You can see one of her lectures here. The Israel Association of Archiving and Information has published another one of her academic lectures here. One of her books, Adullam: `veshavu banim ligevulam`, Jerusalem 2014, has received a review in the Bakitzur weekly which you can see here, and which weekly publication was itself a question of "reliable source," published by the Mateh Yehuda Regional Council, until you posted a question on the Noticeboard in April of 2017 about its reliability and it was duly confirmed as reliable (see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_223#Bakitzur). The Palmach Information Center also mentions her book here. Gross' book, "Adamah Ahuvah" is a vital source for history of the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, a plethora of information not easily had elsewhere, and, yet, you deleted the well-sourced material in the article Jab'a and this article taken from her book. To impress upon you how well renowned of an author she is in Israeli circles, look at the collection of books on her name at the Hebrew University library in Jerusalem (click here). I suggest that you start a query on the aforementioned Noticeboard about the reliability of the current works by the author Heally Gross. I will restore the edits that you have deleted after 24-hours and will hope that you will inquire about the WP:RS on the proper venue before deleting in the future. Davidbena ( talk) 23:39, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
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WP:QUESTIONED. While User:Softlavender, without actually looking at this work, has taken a hard line, other Wikipedia editors have have taken a more conciliatory approach. The books' inner cover lists the Publishing House as: "Israelim" - whose web-page is www.Israel-im.co.il . Three of her books' publications (including Adamah Ahuvah) have been funded by the
Mateh Yehuda Regional Council here, in Israel, and freely distributed among the Jewish collective farms and settlements in the Jerusalem / Adullam / Beit Lachish region.
Davidbena (
talk) 10:02, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
User:Huldra, can I ask you why you felt it necessary to excise the following passage taken from Zvi Dror's book, Har’el: Palmach brigade in Jerusalem:
In mid-October 1948, the Har’el Brigade published a combat ordinance, which read: "The enemy is planning to cut-off the well-springs of immigration and [Jewish] settlement, to build a nest of war conspiracies against us and against all those who love peace in the world, to cut-off from Israel the Negev; to inflict harm to the capital, the center of yearnings of the generations of Israel; to subjugate the Hebrew element of Jerusalem; to dismantle Jewish industry; to block-off the sea; to deny the independence of Haifa and its port. These schemes will be eradicated on the battlefield."[1] (END QUOTE)? After all, the passage is not taken from Heally Gross' book. Would you have any objections to the edit being restored?
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-- Davidbena ( talk) 01:53, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Can someone here please tell me what are the current disputes regarding NPOV? Please be specific and provide sources. In the absence of a response I plan on removing the tag, as this article merely outlines systematic war operations in the space of a few days, when the operation was suddenly halted. If there is a need for adding more information, please provide a list of the type of information demanded. Davidbena ( talk) 01:11, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
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Is there a way to condense the size of this picture and have it used in our article? Since Joseph Tabenkin was the officer in charge of operations, I think that it is worthy of having his photograph shown in the article, even though the photo is post-war.
. Will be glad to hear any responses. Davidbena ( talk) 12:57, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
User:Huldra, can I please ask you why you do not first start a discussion on the Talk-Pages and on the Wikipedia/Reliable sources/Noticeboard before you delete sources? Can you imagine if everyone did what you did, simply because he wasn't sure about the source being reliable or not? Heally Gross is an Israeli author. She happens to be a third generation of writers from her family, having compiled several books. Here is a brief description of her published books (click here), where she writes on places in Israel's modern history, from the foundation of the Modern State of Israel unto the present. She approaches each subject with a critical demeanor, bringing down in her works the archival material from which she draws her information (citing many academic sources). She is also a lecturer. She also has her own YouTube channel which you can see here, and there is a video showing how she interviewed Arab residents of Allar (now Mata, Israel) before publishing her book, which you can see here. See minutes 1:35 - ff. You can see one of her lectures here. The Israel Association of Archiving and Information has published another one of her academic lectures here. One of her books, Adullam: `veshavu banim ligevulam`, Jerusalem 2014, has received a review in the Bakitzur weekly which you can see here, and which weekly publication was itself a question of "reliable source," published by the Mateh Yehuda Regional Council, until you posted a question on the Noticeboard in April of 2017 about its reliability and it was duly confirmed as reliable (see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_223#Bakitzur). The Palmach Information Center also mentions her book here. Gross' book, "Adamah Ahuvah" is a vital source for history of the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, a plethora of information not easily had elsewhere, and, yet, you deleted the well-sourced material in the article Jab'a and this article taken from her book. To impress upon you how well renowned of an author she is in Israeli circles, look at the collection of books on her name at the Hebrew University library in Jerusalem (click here). I suggest that you start a query on the aforementioned Noticeboard about the reliability of the current works by the author Heally Gross. I will restore the edits that you have deleted after 24-hours and will hope that you will inquire about the WP:RS on the proper venue before deleting in the future. Davidbena ( talk) 23:39, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
{{
cite journal}}
: Unknown parameter |registration=
ignored (|url-access=
suggested) (
help). Bear in mind that their field of expertise is in the History of the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) and its "Yishuv", meaning, Jewish settlement during the Ottoman period and during the period of the
British Mandate over Palestine. One of the criterion for identifying Reliable sources is that her material can be fact checked, per
WP:QUESTIONED. While User:Softlavender, without actually looking at this work, has taken a hard line, other Wikipedia editors have have taken a more conciliatory approach. The books' inner cover lists the Publishing House as: "Israelim" - whose web-page is www.Israel-im.co.il . Three of her books' publications (including Adamah Ahuvah) have been funded by the
Mateh Yehuda Regional Council here, in Israel, and freely distributed among the Jewish collective farms and settlements in the Jerusalem / Adullam / Beit Lachish region.
Davidbena (
talk) 10:02, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
User:Huldra, can I ask you why you felt it necessary to excise the following passage taken from Zvi Dror's book, Har’el: Palmach brigade in Jerusalem:
In mid-October 1948, the Har’el Brigade published a combat ordinance, which read: "The enemy is planning to cut-off the well-springs of immigration and [Jewish] settlement, to build a nest of war conspiracies against us and against all those who love peace in the world, to cut-off from Israel the Negev; to inflict harm to the capital, the center of yearnings of the generations of Israel; to subjugate the Hebrew element of Jerusalem; to dismantle Jewish industry; to block-off the sea; to deny the independence of Haifa and its port. These schemes will be eradicated on the battlefield."[1] (END QUOTE)? After all, the passage is not taken from Heally Gross' book. Would you have any objections to the edit being restored?
References
-- Davidbena ( talk) 01:53, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Can someone here please tell me what are the current disputes regarding NPOV? Please be specific and provide sources. In the absence of a response I plan on removing the tag, as this article merely outlines systematic war operations in the space of a few days, when the operation was suddenly halted. If there is a need for adding more information, please provide a list of the type of information demanded. Davidbena ( talk) 01:11, 28 March 2019 (UTC)