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Reviewer: Peacemaker67 ( talk · contribs) 09:30, 28 July 2019 (UTC) reply


This article is in good shape. I have a few comments:

  • suggest mentioning the squadrons in the lead
  • the lead needs more information about the prep and attack, it is a bit sparse on this actual operation, has enough on the earlier operations
  • link Arctic convoys of World War II
  • link Soviet Union, as it doesn't exist anymore and more and more readers will not be familiar
  • "This attack had been timed for when it was believed repairs to rectify the damage caused in Operation Tungsten were nearing completion" doesn't make sense, as it is describing Operation Tungsten. Is something missing?
  • suggest "series of subsequent aircraft carrier attacks were unsuccessful, including Operation Mascot on 17 July and Operation Goodwood between 22–29 August 1944."
  • was responsibility transferred from Bomber Command to RN then back to Bomber Command? If so, suggest stating this in the narrative
    • I haven't seen a source saying that there was an official transfer of responsibility for attacking the ship from the RAF to the RN in 1942/43 (as half-baked plans to attack the ship with bombers, including USAAF B-17s, kept being cooked up), but multiple sources say that such a transfer took place in 1944. Nick-D ( talk) 11:21, 28 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • was the Johnnie Walker a mine or a bomb?
  • suggest giving the weight of the Tallboy when first mentioned
  • "an immobile battery to defend the area from attack" from what sort of attack? air or surface?
  • Tallboy (bomb) is duplinked
  • link Naval Intelligence Division (United Kingdom)
  • perhaps "if she was left alone"→"if she was left unmolested"
  • link de Havilland Mosquito
  • move link to No. 5 Group RAF to first mention
  • what RAF airfields did the two squadrons fly from on the day of the operation?
  • torpedo net is duplinked
  • typo Tirptiz
  • suggest "Weber believed that within three weeks the days would be short enough to prevent further air attacks."
  • "A total of 32 Lancasters were dispatched" and two didn't make it in time, but in the lead it says 29 heavy bombers?
  • "headed to the USSR" USSR hasn't been introduced, suggest sticking to Soviet Union
  • "09:44 BST"→" 09:44 am BST"
  • "No 9 Squadron"→"No. 9 Squadron"
  • "09:45 BST"→"09:45 am BST"
  • "9:49 BST"→"09:49 am BST"
  • "11:00 BST"→"11:00 am BST"
  • perhaps the way to deal with all this time stuff is to introduce BST in 24-hour clock rather than am/pm, then say local time was equivalent to BST (as you've done), then just use 24-hour clock thereafter?
  • for "interned by the Swedish Government" link internment
  • link repatriation
  • "The loss of Tirpitz was a disaster for the German forces in northern Norway" seems a stretch given she wasn't capable to putting to sea, does anyone else say this?
  • link court martial
  • suggest "not possible for German naval personnel to pass information directly to their Luftwaffe..."
  • link Director of Naval Construction
  • Hinsley et al. and Zetterling et al. were consulted but not used?
  • all the image licenses look fine to me
  • suggest changing the result in the infobox to "destruction of the Tirpitz"
  • McMullen is listed in the infobox, but not mentioned in the body
    • Removed. I can't find a RS saying he commanded the attack force on the ground, though I think he did. Tait seems to have dominated this operation to a greater degree than he had the previous Lancaster attacks. Nick-D ( talk) 11:21, 28 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • suggest changing British airmen in the lead to Commonwealth airmen, as there were quite a few Canadian, Australian and New Zealand airmen in the two squadrons

That's all I have. Placing on hold for the above to be addressed. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 10:40, 28 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Comment by GraemeLeggett

The lede lacks some context. Why is the Tirpitz a target? The second paragraph tells us that it's been attacked many times before but until the reader gets to Background it's a bit of a mystery. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 11:59, 29 July 2019 (UTC) reply
@ GraemeLeggett: Thanks for your comment Graeme, I've added a brief summary to the lead covering this. Nick-D ( talk) 05:28, 4 August 2019 (UTC) reply
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Reviewer: Peacemaker67 ( talk · contribs) 09:30, 28 July 2019 (UTC) reply


This article is in good shape. I have a few comments:

  • suggest mentioning the squadrons in the lead
  • the lead needs more information about the prep and attack, it is a bit sparse on this actual operation, has enough on the earlier operations
  • link Arctic convoys of World War II
  • link Soviet Union, as it doesn't exist anymore and more and more readers will not be familiar
  • "This attack had been timed for when it was believed repairs to rectify the damage caused in Operation Tungsten were nearing completion" doesn't make sense, as it is describing Operation Tungsten. Is something missing?
  • suggest "series of subsequent aircraft carrier attacks were unsuccessful, including Operation Mascot on 17 July and Operation Goodwood between 22–29 August 1944."
  • was responsibility transferred from Bomber Command to RN then back to Bomber Command? If so, suggest stating this in the narrative
    • I haven't seen a source saying that there was an official transfer of responsibility for attacking the ship from the RAF to the RN in 1942/43 (as half-baked plans to attack the ship with bombers, including USAAF B-17s, kept being cooked up), but multiple sources say that such a transfer took place in 1944. Nick-D ( talk) 11:21, 28 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • was the Johnnie Walker a mine or a bomb?
  • suggest giving the weight of the Tallboy when first mentioned
  • "an immobile battery to defend the area from attack" from what sort of attack? air or surface?
  • Tallboy (bomb) is duplinked
  • link Naval Intelligence Division (United Kingdom)
  • perhaps "if she was left alone"→"if she was left unmolested"
  • link de Havilland Mosquito
  • move link to No. 5 Group RAF to first mention
  • what RAF airfields did the two squadrons fly from on the day of the operation?
  • torpedo net is duplinked
  • typo Tirptiz
  • suggest "Weber believed that within three weeks the days would be short enough to prevent further air attacks."
  • "A total of 32 Lancasters were dispatched" and two didn't make it in time, but in the lead it says 29 heavy bombers?
  • "headed to the USSR" USSR hasn't been introduced, suggest sticking to Soviet Union
  • "09:44 BST"→" 09:44 am BST"
  • "No 9 Squadron"→"No. 9 Squadron"
  • "09:45 BST"→"09:45 am BST"
  • "9:49 BST"→"09:49 am BST"
  • "11:00 BST"→"11:00 am BST"
  • perhaps the way to deal with all this time stuff is to introduce BST in 24-hour clock rather than am/pm, then say local time was equivalent to BST (as you've done), then just use 24-hour clock thereafter?
  • for "interned by the Swedish Government" link internment
  • link repatriation
  • "The loss of Tirpitz was a disaster for the German forces in northern Norway" seems a stretch given she wasn't capable to putting to sea, does anyone else say this?
  • link court martial
  • suggest "not possible for German naval personnel to pass information directly to their Luftwaffe..."
  • link Director of Naval Construction
  • Hinsley et al. and Zetterling et al. were consulted but not used?
  • all the image licenses look fine to me
  • suggest changing the result in the infobox to "destruction of the Tirpitz"
  • McMullen is listed in the infobox, but not mentioned in the body
    • Removed. I can't find a RS saying he commanded the attack force on the ground, though I think he did. Tait seems to have dominated this operation to a greater degree than he had the previous Lancaster attacks. Nick-D ( talk) 11:21, 28 July 2019 (UTC) reply
  • suggest changing British airmen in the lead to Commonwealth airmen, as there were quite a few Canadian, Australian and New Zealand airmen in the two squadrons

That's all I have. Placing on hold for the above to be addressed. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 10:40, 28 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Comment by GraemeLeggett

The lede lacks some context. Why is the Tirpitz a target? The second paragraph tells us that it's been attacked many times before but until the reader gets to Background it's a bit of a mystery. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 11:59, 29 July 2019 (UTC) reply
@ GraemeLeggett: Thanks for your comment Graeme, I've added a brief summary to the lead covering this. Nick-D ( talk) 05:28, 4 August 2019 (UTC) reply

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