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Surely not "less than a kilogram"! Morelikely, "less than a kiloton"...yes?
Basesurge ( talk) 11:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
What happened to the soldiers who were exposed to the radiation? Aldrich Hanssen ( talk) 21:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Johnuniq found a typo in the venting from the Dog shot, "3.1MkCi". The correct value is "3.1MCi" which is what he corrected it to, and that value is verified correct at http://www.cancer.gov/i131/fallout/Chapter2.pdf. BTW, I need to add that reference to all the applicable tests; that had been overlooked. It will be done tonight. Thanks, johnuniq. SkoreKeep ( talk) 03:13, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I investigated why the table does not sort and found that removing the heading styles (for example, delete style="background:#efdead;" |) makes the table sortable. I suggest asking for help at
WP:VPT if wanting to fix the tables. Also, see
Help:Convert for the use of |sortable=on
which would mean that the converts do not need {{
sort}} before them.
Johnuniq (
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03:21, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
"Venting" is a term commonly used in the context of underground tests such as Beryl or Baneberry, in which the containment failed, and radioactive material escaped via a vent. The literature generally uses language along the lines of "off-site radiation detected" for air or surface bursts. Shouldn't we do the same? Theeurocrat ( talk) 13:00, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi Skorekeep! For me the query is not the completeness of the data, which is great, but rather how "venting" can result from a free air drop, in which all radiation escapes almost by definition. I have these for to vent: "To release or discharge (steam, for example) through an opening." "to let out (steam, liquid, etc) through a vent". And from Wikipedia on underground testing: "True underground tests are intended to be fully contained and emit a negligible amount of fallout. Unfortunately these nuclear tests do occasionally "vent" to the surface, producing from nearly none to considerable amounts of radioactive debris as a consequence." Would "emissions to atmosphere" not be a more accurate term for radiation released by atmospheric tests? Theeurocrat ( talk) 13:05, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Fallout would be more correct, SkoreKeep. But the tables look great. Theeurocrat ( talk) 18:16, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The table on this page and the contents of any nuclear tests infobox are generated from a database of nuclear testing which I have maintained and researched for a number of years. The table is automatically generated from that database by a Visual Basic script, and then has, periodically, been inserted into the page manually. I began doing this in October of 2013.
Recently a user complained (politely) to me about the practice. It seems to him that it removes control from all editors besides myself over the content. He believes it is tantamount to WP:OWNED of the pages affected. He also points out that there is no public mention of the fact anywhere on wikipedia, and that is true, through my own oversight, until now.
There was no intent that the pages affected should be owned by myself; in fact, one of my reasons for building these pages was to solicit (in the wikipedia way) criticism and corrections to the data, perhaps additional references that I had been unable to locate. I have regenerated the tables twice in the days since they were originally placed. Each time I did so, I performed a diff between the current version and the version that I put up in the previous cycle; all corrections were then either entered into the database or corrected in the programming, as appropriate. As may be guessed, the programming corrections were frequent to start out as suggestions about the table formatting were raised, and most incorporated. I have not made judgements on the "usefulness" of corrections; all have been incorporated, or I have communicated directly with the editor to settle the matter. In fact it was in pursuing such a correction that this matter came up.
I am posting this comment on the Talk page of every page containing content which is so generated. If you would like to comment on this matter, please go to the copy on Talk:List of nuclear tests so the discussion can be kept together. I will also be placing a maintained template on each Talk page (if anyone would like also to be named as a maintainer on one or all pages, you are welcome). I solicit all comments and suggestions.
SkoreKeep ( talk) 02:38, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
The article says personnel experienced an average radiation dose of 3 鈥淩鈥. Is that a lot? It links to the article on that unit of measure, but that article just says the unit R is no longer used. Anyhow does anyone know the appropriate unit to use and what 3R is relative to a normal background dose of radiation? Volivaceus ( talk) 00:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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Surely not "less than a kilogram"! Morelikely, "less than a kiloton"...yes?
Basesurge ( talk) 11:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
What happened to the soldiers who were exposed to the radiation? Aldrich Hanssen ( talk) 21:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Johnuniq found a typo in the venting from the Dog shot, "3.1MkCi". The correct value is "3.1MCi" which is what he corrected it to, and that value is verified correct at http://www.cancer.gov/i131/fallout/Chapter2.pdf. BTW, I need to add that reference to all the applicable tests; that had been overlooked. It will be done tonight. Thanks, johnuniq. SkoreKeep ( talk) 03:13, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I investigated why the table does not sort and found that removing the heading styles (for example, delete style="background:#efdead;" |) makes the table sortable. I suggest asking for help at
WP:VPT if wanting to fix the tables. Also, see
Help:Convert for the use of |sortable=on
which would mean that the converts do not need {{
sort}} before them.
Johnuniq (
talk)
03:21, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
"Venting" is a term commonly used in the context of underground tests such as Beryl or Baneberry, in which the containment failed, and radioactive material escaped via a vent. The literature generally uses language along the lines of "off-site radiation detected" for air or surface bursts. Shouldn't we do the same? Theeurocrat ( talk) 13:00, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi Skorekeep! For me the query is not the completeness of the data, which is great, but rather how "venting" can result from a free air drop, in which all radiation escapes almost by definition. I have these for to vent: "To release or discharge (steam, for example) through an opening." "to let out (steam, liquid, etc) through a vent". And from Wikipedia on underground testing: "True underground tests are intended to be fully contained and emit a negligible amount of fallout. Unfortunately these nuclear tests do occasionally "vent" to the surface, producing from nearly none to considerable amounts of radioactive debris as a consequence." Would "emissions to atmosphere" not be a more accurate term for radiation released by atmospheric tests? Theeurocrat ( talk) 13:05, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Fallout would be more correct, SkoreKeep. But the tables look great. Theeurocrat ( talk) 18:16, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The table on this page and the contents of any nuclear tests infobox are generated from a database of nuclear testing which I have maintained and researched for a number of years. The table is automatically generated from that database by a Visual Basic script, and then has, periodically, been inserted into the page manually. I began doing this in October of 2013.
Recently a user complained (politely) to me about the practice. It seems to him that it removes control from all editors besides myself over the content. He believes it is tantamount to WP:OWNED of the pages affected. He also points out that there is no public mention of the fact anywhere on wikipedia, and that is true, through my own oversight, until now.
There was no intent that the pages affected should be owned by myself; in fact, one of my reasons for building these pages was to solicit (in the wikipedia way) criticism and corrections to the data, perhaps additional references that I had been unable to locate. I have regenerated the tables twice in the days since they were originally placed. Each time I did so, I performed a diff between the current version and the version that I put up in the previous cycle; all corrections were then either entered into the database or corrected in the programming, as appropriate. As may be guessed, the programming corrections were frequent to start out as suggestions about the table formatting were raised, and most incorporated. I have not made judgements on the "usefulness" of corrections; all have been incorporated, or I have communicated directly with the editor to settle the matter. In fact it was in pursuing such a correction that this matter came up.
I am posting this comment on the Talk page of every page containing content which is so generated. If you would like to comment on this matter, please go to the copy on Talk:List of nuclear tests so the discussion can be kept together. I will also be placing a maintained template on each Talk page (if anyone would like also to be named as a maintainer on one or all pages, you are welcome). I solicit all comments and suggestions.
SkoreKeep ( talk) 02:38, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
The article says personnel experienced an average radiation dose of 3 鈥淩鈥. Is that a lot? It links to the article on that unit of measure, but that article just says the unit R is no longer used. Anyhow does anyone know the appropriate unit to use and what 3R is relative to a normal background dose of radiation? Volivaceus ( talk) 00:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)