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Operation Mincemeat should not be included with the deception plans under Operation Bodyguard. Mincemeat was a plan associated with Operation Husky, which was the invasion of Sicily in July 1943. Therefore it should not be associated with Bodyguard at all. RashBold 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Having recently completed an undergrad paper on the subject of Operation Bodyguard, I find the lack of sources and information presented by this article a little disconcerting. I am going to add some information and take out what is critically incorrect.
What really needs to be added is that the main components of Operation Bodyguard were the three Operation Fortitude sub-operations and the influences of the London Controlling Station ( LCS) and the 'XX' Committee ( Double Cross System), which I also intend to correct in the poorly researched and heavily biased Operation Fortitude article.
Largely, Operation Bodyguard was the command and control portion of the strategic deception operations leading to the Allied invasion of Normandy ( Battle of Normandy [with the four (not three)sub-operations (Fortitude North, Fortitude South, Fortitude South II and Zeppelin). The article does provide a good primer, but lacks the more detailed information necessary to provide real insight and information. (Added by User:142.109.100.30 at 17:54. 20 March 2006] If anyone has objections to this, feel free to contribute to the article yourself.
-Onward_KOCR User:OnwardKOCR,17:42, 20 March 2006
I question the inclusion of Brown's Bodyguard of Lies as a References source here. That book is widely acknowledged to be highly inaccurate and out-of-date. I suggest it be replaced by something like F.H. Hinsley’s British Intelligence in the Second World War, for a much more scholarly and authoritative source. As I am new to the community, I’ll wait to hear any objections. -Sean Kirby Added by User:Lacadaemon480, 19:18, 1 December 2006
Every print source I've seen refers to the pre-invasion deception operations as "Plan Bodyguard." There's an apparent distinction in Allied military terminology of the time (and which I'm not entirely clear on) between what constituted a "plan" and what was an "operation" -- and it's not just between what was talked about and what actually happened. More than that, "Bodyguard" appears in the sources I've read to refer to the planning that preceded "Operation Fortitude," which was what was actually carried out -- divided into "Fortitude North" (Norway) and "Fortitude South" (Pas de Calais). So, are we sure the correct term is used in this article? -- Michael K Smith Talk 14:28, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I propose that D-Day naval deceptions be merged into Operation Bodyguard. The operations detailed in the D-Day naval deceptions article are a subset of Operation Bodyguard, there is a major summary of Operation Bodyguard as part of that article, this article has very little details about those three minor operations and there's probably only 600 or so words which would be added here in the Normandy Landings section. This article is relatively short currently and would benefit from some more detail. Thanks! Kirk ( talk) 19:35, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I have tried to install a link to the current page titled 'I Was Monty's Double (film)' by keying-in I Was Monty's Double, but it only shows-up in red type, which is taken to mean that there is no such page. What am I doing wrong? Valetude ( talk) 13:47, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Clarify: whose original plan? Hitler originally planned to shift forces in two weeks, or the deception hoped merely to delay the shift by two weeks? — Tamfang ( talk) 20:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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Operation Mincemeat should not be included with the deception plans under Operation Bodyguard. Mincemeat was a plan associated with Operation Husky, which was the invasion of Sicily in July 1943. Therefore it should not be associated with Bodyguard at all. RashBold 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Having recently completed an undergrad paper on the subject of Operation Bodyguard, I find the lack of sources and information presented by this article a little disconcerting. I am going to add some information and take out what is critically incorrect.
What really needs to be added is that the main components of Operation Bodyguard were the three Operation Fortitude sub-operations and the influences of the London Controlling Station ( LCS) and the 'XX' Committee ( Double Cross System), which I also intend to correct in the poorly researched and heavily biased Operation Fortitude article.
Largely, Operation Bodyguard was the command and control portion of the strategic deception operations leading to the Allied invasion of Normandy ( Battle of Normandy [with the four (not three)sub-operations (Fortitude North, Fortitude South, Fortitude South II and Zeppelin). The article does provide a good primer, but lacks the more detailed information necessary to provide real insight and information. (Added by User:142.109.100.30 at 17:54. 20 March 2006] If anyone has objections to this, feel free to contribute to the article yourself.
-Onward_KOCR User:OnwardKOCR,17:42, 20 March 2006
I question the inclusion of Brown's Bodyguard of Lies as a References source here. That book is widely acknowledged to be highly inaccurate and out-of-date. I suggest it be replaced by something like F.H. Hinsley’s British Intelligence in the Second World War, for a much more scholarly and authoritative source. As I am new to the community, I’ll wait to hear any objections. -Sean Kirby Added by User:Lacadaemon480, 19:18, 1 December 2006
Every print source I've seen refers to the pre-invasion deception operations as "Plan Bodyguard." There's an apparent distinction in Allied military terminology of the time (and which I'm not entirely clear on) between what constituted a "plan" and what was an "operation" -- and it's not just between what was talked about and what actually happened. More than that, "Bodyguard" appears in the sources I've read to refer to the planning that preceded "Operation Fortitude," which was what was actually carried out -- divided into "Fortitude North" (Norway) and "Fortitude South" (Pas de Calais). So, are we sure the correct term is used in this article? -- Michael K Smith Talk 14:28, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I propose that D-Day naval deceptions be merged into Operation Bodyguard. The operations detailed in the D-Day naval deceptions article are a subset of Operation Bodyguard, there is a major summary of Operation Bodyguard as part of that article, this article has very little details about those three minor operations and there's probably only 600 or so words which would be added here in the Normandy Landings section. This article is relatively short currently and would benefit from some more detail. Thanks! Kirk ( talk) 19:35, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I have tried to install a link to the current page titled 'I Was Monty's Double (film)' by keying-in I Was Monty's Double, but it only shows-up in red type, which is taken to mean that there is no such page. What am I doing wrong? Valetude ( talk) 13:47, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Clarify: whose original plan? Hitler originally planned to shift forces in two weeks, or the deception hoped merely to delay the shift by two weeks? — Tamfang ( talk) 20:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)