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I'm sorry but isn't "Companies such as Vivida Lifestyle produce such changing robes for Wild Swimming and other waterside pursuits." together with a link to the companies website just a blatant ad? Rariruth ( talk) 11:03, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
This article used to have a safety section. I believe that this should be added back, and expanded. Finding sources for safety is easy. Legal aspects including campaigns could be included, but this is perhaps more open to discussion. In most countries in the world there are, as far as I am aware, few campaigns for increased access to water, as access is given. In the UK this is different. Here's a short BBC news piece mentioning this campaign. This material could perhaps better be put on a page about RALSA itself, but I'm still looking into what I need to do to establish notability for an article on RALSA itself. Would this BBC news item (video) be sufficient? BBC news article on open water swimming Ross-c ( talk) 10:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
All else being equal, I would like to add a bibliography section to this page. Previous versions of this page included a bibliography. I would like to add one back in, including books related to both competitive and recreational open water swimming.
, I agree with your sentiment and thank you for your constructive comment. My own opinion is that it would be nice to have two photos, one illustrating competitive open water swimming, and the other recreational. I may be able to take a photo at the triathlon club training session tomorrow. Otherwise I may be attending the national open water championships on Sunday. Neither will give me the "500 swimmers in the water at the same time frantically splashing" impressive picture that would be better. Opinions on having two photos, and what the second (or both) are invited. As I wasn't planning to take a camera to either but will do so if it will benefit Wikipedia. I did try cropping the photo, but I only took a cheap camera with me to Windermere, and the cropped version doesn't look good. Ross-c ( talk) 15:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
The keyword for this article is "Open Water Swimming". This term is frequently used for both competitive and non-competitive swimming. Additions to this page concerning non-competitive open water swimming were undone with the explanation that this is outside the scope of this article. I do not believe this to be the case. Neither is there any requirement for a river to be "large" to be open water.
Please do not undo the edits concerning non-competitive open water swimming. If anyone believes that this page should be restricted to non-competitive open water swimming, then please discuss it here. Please refer to the dispute resolution procedures of Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ross-c ( talk • contribs) 08:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I checked out the broader topic "Swimming" and it includes aspects of swimming that are non-competitive, so what's the problem with including non-competitive aspects in the open water swimming section?
If it's a real problem I suggest creating a specific page for "Competitive Open Water Swimming", to differentiate it from the activity that most open water swimmers engage in. 62.189.1.23 ( talk) 10:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
As an open water swimmer myself, I can say that it doesn't only refer to competitive swimming. It certainly includes non-competitive discipline as well. If competitive open water swimming needs an article of its own, then you should start a new page for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.254.135.1 ( talk) 10:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
The user Diez is contining to revert changes to this page, without adequate reason. The pictures clearly showed someone swimming in a river, and in a lake. But these "don't show swimming" according to their reasoning. And they claim "no authorative sources"? How are these relevant to the pictures. And the links are links to national organisations concerning open water swimming? What on earth? Ross-c ( talk) 14:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
OK, I propose a Wikipedia:Truce on this page, until we work out a method of establishing a good definition of "open water swimming". Ross-c ( talk) 14:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
There is a dispute between myself and Deiz on this page. He has not responded on this talk page, but has discussed the issue on his talk page. User_talk:Deiz A third opinion has been requested. Ross-c ( talk) 16:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Is this the same open water swimming that will be in the 2008 summer olympics? if so, this page is horrible and definitely needs to be looked over. I have seen also Open-air swimming. Is this the same thing?
Okay. I'm going to step in here as an uninvolved admin and try to figure out what the heck the reasoning behind this little edit dispute is.
Here's what I'd like. Ross-c, please post here a concise explanation of your edits and what you feel the benefits to the article are. Deiz, please explain why you feel they're inappropriate. Let's try not to argue about it; I'm trying to make sense of what has generated the problem so far. I'm tied up with other stuff but will check in at times and hopefully we'll be able to come up with a good way forward without protection, threats, etc. Okay? Tony Fox (arf!) 17:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, since Deiz has disengaged, I'll try and forward this. The article should include both aspects of the topic - it should be led by an indication that this is both a recreational and a competitive activity, using a description based out of the sources found above. (Of those, by the way, I'd drop the blogs - they're not reliable sources, but the Independent article "Different strokes..." is a good basis to work from.) We can have individual paragraphs on recreational and competitive after that, and links to the associations would be reasonable, to my view. As for photos, the one that an anon provided out of the Commons today is quite good, so I've removed the disputed pic for the moment; as I've said before, I think a picture that has more open water would be more appropriate for the recreational side. I'll give this more consideration as I go, but have other things to do at the moment, so will leave it there for now. Tony Fox (arf!) 16:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
The picture of the guy in the creek is indeed quite poor. I suspect in any case, that open-water swimming doesn't particularly lend itself to good illustrative photos. A depiction of open water would tend to overwhelm depictions of swimmers.
As for definitions, I'd suggest that people who are particularly interested in Olympic sport start their own page. Open water swimming is almost self-explanatory. Personally I find the non-competitive aspects of the activity of much greater interest and am disappointed that the page doesn't adequataely discuss them. Surely one would imagine there are far more people who engage in non-competitive open water swimming than competitive open-water swimming. John Menlove Edwards, just for example, a notable British rock climber from the 1950s, had some rather astonishing and fascinating achievements in open-water swimming, which he pursued in an entirely non-competitive manner. Calamitybrook ( talk) 04:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, Wikipedia removed the Olympic 10K Marathon Swim entry because they said it was not appropriate for inclusion as a separate entry. Therefore, the Olympic 10K Marathon Swim and other standard distances (1K, 1 mile, 5K,, 25K, etc.) and other governing bodies (e.g., Catalina Channel Swimming Federation, Channel Swimming Association, FINA) for well-known open water swims worldwide should be included in this definition. There are approximately 600 organized races worldwide with approximately 750,000 advocates based on my multi-year research on the sport. (Steven Munatones) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Munatones ( talk • contribs) 16:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Hero and Leander is a first written instance of open water swimming in history. 213.149.61.151 ( talk) 16:11, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
First world association for marathon swimming (in open water ) was Fédération Internationale de Natation Longue Distance founded in 1954. In 1963 it is divided into two that existed until 1970is: International Long Distance Swimming Federation (ILDSF) and World Professional Marathon Swimming Federation (WPMSF), both of which organized their own world championships. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.149.61.151 ( talk) 16:15, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
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I'm sorry but isn't "Companies such as Vivida Lifestyle produce such changing robes for Wild Swimming and other waterside pursuits." together with a link to the companies website just a blatant ad? Rariruth ( talk) 11:03, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
This article used to have a safety section. I believe that this should be added back, and expanded. Finding sources for safety is easy. Legal aspects including campaigns could be included, but this is perhaps more open to discussion. In most countries in the world there are, as far as I am aware, few campaigns for increased access to water, as access is given. In the UK this is different. Here's a short BBC news piece mentioning this campaign. This material could perhaps better be put on a page about RALSA itself, but I'm still looking into what I need to do to establish notability for an article on RALSA itself. Would this BBC news item (video) be sufficient? BBC news article on open water swimming Ross-c ( talk) 10:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
All else being equal, I would like to add a bibliography section to this page. Previous versions of this page included a bibliography. I would like to add one back in, including books related to both competitive and recreational open water swimming.
, I agree with your sentiment and thank you for your constructive comment. My own opinion is that it would be nice to have two photos, one illustrating competitive open water swimming, and the other recreational. I may be able to take a photo at the triathlon club training session tomorrow. Otherwise I may be attending the national open water championships on Sunday. Neither will give me the "500 swimmers in the water at the same time frantically splashing" impressive picture that would be better. Opinions on having two photos, and what the second (or both) are invited. As I wasn't planning to take a camera to either but will do so if it will benefit Wikipedia. I did try cropping the photo, but I only took a cheap camera with me to Windermere, and the cropped version doesn't look good. Ross-c ( talk) 15:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
The keyword for this article is "Open Water Swimming". This term is frequently used for both competitive and non-competitive swimming. Additions to this page concerning non-competitive open water swimming were undone with the explanation that this is outside the scope of this article. I do not believe this to be the case. Neither is there any requirement for a river to be "large" to be open water.
Please do not undo the edits concerning non-competitive open water swimming. If anyone believes that this page should be restricted to non-competitive open water swimming, then please discuss it here. Please refer to the dispute resolution procedures of Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ross-c ( talk • contribs) 08:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I checked out the broader topic "Swimming" and it includes aspects of swimming that are non-competitive, so what's the problem with including non-competitive aspects in the open water swimming section?
If it's a real problem I suggest creating a specific page for "Competitive Open Water Swimming", to differentiate it from the activity that most open water swimmers engage in. 62.189.1.23 ( talk) 10:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
As an open water swimmer myself, I can say that it doesn't only refer to competitive swimming. It certainly includes non-competitive discipline as well. If competitive open water swimming needs an article of its own, then you should start a new page for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.254.135.1 ( talk) 10:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
The user Diez is contining to revert changes to this page, without adequate reason. The pictures clearly showed someone swimming in a river, and in a lake. But these "don't show swimming" according to their reasoning. And they claim "no authorative sources"? How are these relevant to the pictures. And the links are links to national organisations concerning open water swimming? What on earth? Ross-c ( talk) 14:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
OK, I propose a Wikipedia:Truce on this page, until we work out a method of establishing a good definition of "open water swimming". Ross-c ( talk) 14:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
There is a dispute between myself and Deiz on this page. He has not responded on this talk page, but has discussed the issue on his talk page. User_talk:Deiz A third opinion has been requested. Ross-c ( talk) 16:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Is this the same open water swimming that will be in the 2008 summer olympics? if so, this page is horrible and definitely needs to be looked over. I have seen also Open-air swimming. Is this the same thing?
Okay. I'm going to step in here as an uninvolved admin and try to figure out what the heck the reasoning behind this little edit dispute is.
Here's what I'd like. Ross-c, please post here a concise explanation of your edits and what you feel the benefits to the article are. Deiz, please explain why you feel they're inappropriate. Let's try not to argue about it; I'm trying to make sense of what has generated the problem so far. I'm tied up with other stuff but will check in at times and hopefully we'll be able to come up with a good way forward without protection, threats, etc. Okay? Tony Fox (arf!) 17:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, since Deiz has disengaged, I'll try and forward this. The article should include both aspects of the topic - it should be led by an indication that this is both a recreational and a competitive activity, using a description based out of the sources found above. (Of those, by the way, I'd drop the blogs - they're not reliable sources, but the Independent article "Different strokes..." is a good basis to work from.) We can have individual paragraphs on recreational and competitive after that, and links to the associations would be reasonable, to my view. As for photos, the one that an anon provided out of the Commons today is quite good, so I've removed the disputed pic for the moment; as I've said before, I think a picture that has more open water would be more appropriate for the recreational side. I'll give this more consideration as I go, but have other things to do at the moment, so will leave it there for now. Tony Fox (arf!) 16:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
The picture of the guy in the creek is indeed quite poor. I suspect in any case, that open-water swimming doesn't particularly lend itself to good illustrative photos. A depiction of open water would tend to overwhelm depictions of swimmers.
As for definitions, I'd suggest that people who are particularly interested in Olympic sport start their own page. Open water swimming is almost self-explanatory. Personally I find the non-competitive aspects of the activity of much greater interest and am disappointed that the page doesn't adequataely discuss them. Surely one would imagine there are far more people who engage in non-competitive open water swimming than competitive open-water swimming. John Menlove Edwards, just for example, a notable British rock climber from the 1950s, had some rather astonishing and fascinating achievements in open-water swimming, which he pursued in an entirely non-competitive manner. Calamitybrook ( talk) 04:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, Wikipedia removed the Olympic 10K Marathon Swim entry because they said it was not appropriate for inclusion as a separate entry. Therefore, the Olympic 10K Marathon Swim and other standard distances (1K, 1 mile, 5K,, 25K, etc.) and other governing bodies (e.g., Catalina Channel Swimming Federation, Channel Swimming Association, FINA) for well-known open water swims worldwide should be included in this definition. There are approximately 600 organized races worldwide with approximately 750,000 advocates based on my multi-year research on the sport. (Steven Munatones) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Munatones ( talk • contribs) 16:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Hero and Leander is a first written instance of open water swimming in history. 213.149.61.151 ( talk) 16:11, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
First world association for marathon swimming (in open water ) was Fédération Internationale de Natation Longue Distance founded in 1954. In 1963 it is divided into two that existed until 1970is: International Long Distance Swimming Federation (ILDSF) and World Professional Marathon Swimming Federation (WPMSF), both of which organized their own world championships. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.149.61.151 ( talk) 16:15, 20 February 2019 (UTC)