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I propose that this page be moved to Double King's Pawn Opening. Any objections? -- Matthew Proctor 23:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I have deleted reference to the so-called "Boungcloud Attack", 2.Ke2?, because it is not notable. This "opening" was the subject of a previous article on Wikipedia, which after a vote for deletion was deleted on April 8, 2008. According to that article, the Boungcloud Attack was originated by a player on chess.com with a rating of 360, one of the lowest-rated players on that site (according to the article, one starts with a 1200 rating, so it presumably takes a lot of work to get down to 360). Of the 74,278 double king-pawn games on ChessGames.com, 2.Ke2? occurs (you guessed it) zero times. Without cracking a book, I feel safe in asserting that it is not to be found in any of the chess encyclopedias generally recognized as reliable sources ( The Oxford Companion to Chess, Golombek's Encyclopedia of Chess, Sunnucks' The Encyclopaedia of Chess, etc. Apart from 2.Ba6??, 2.Ke2 is arguably the worst move on the board. Like its cousin the "King David Attack" against the Sicilian (2.Ke2?), which I deleted from the Sicilian Defense article for similar reasons, the Boungcloud Attack pretty much defines non-notability. Krakatoa ( talk) 07:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I have also deleted reference to the "Tortoise Opening", 2.Bd3?! as non-notable. That "opening" apparently appears on page 246 of Eric Schiller's 1998 book Unorthodox Chess Openings. See its index. Yes, that would be the same book that (as our article on Schiller notes) Tony Miles famously gave the two-word review "utter crap". Like the Boungcloud Attack, the Tortoise is not played in a single game of the 74,278 double king-pawn games (and 500,000+ total games) on ChessGames.com. To state the obvious, an opening that is never played is not notable. I do not think its mention in Schiller's book, which features a plethora of bizarre "openings" never seen in any more conventional source, makes it notable. Krakatoa ( talk) 07:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I have now restored mention of the Tortoise Opening since admin Sjakkalle, despite grave misgivings about the opening's notability, has restored the article about it. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess#Tortoise_Opening. Krakatoa ( talk) 07:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
The link to Chessgames.com in the infobox seems like advertisement as the website charges 30$ a year for its services. The link is not a source and it does not add any value to the article, so it should be removed. I would do it myself, but I do not seem to be able to edit the infobox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.3.102.175 ( talk) 11:45, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Specifically came here to find out why it's called "Open Game", but that is missing. 2607:FB91:BD9F:157E:AC39:82F7:98F1:A892 ( talk) 20:38, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
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I propose that this page be moved to Double King's Pawn Opening. Any objections? -- Matthew Proctor 23:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I have deleted reference to the so-called "Boungcloud Attack", 2.Ke2?, because it is not notable. This "opening" was the subject of a previous article on Wikipedia, which after a vote for deletion was deleted on April 8, 2008. According to that article, the Boungcloud Attack was originated by a player on chess.com with a rating of 360, one of the lowest-rated players on that site (according to the article, one starts with a 1200 rating, so it presumably takes a lot of work to get down to 360). Of the 74,278 double king-pawn games on ChessGames.com, 2.Ke2? occurs (you guessed it) zero times. Without cracking a book, I feel safe in asserting that it is not to be found in any of the chess encyclopedias generally recognized as reliable sources ( The Oxford Companion to Chess, Golombek's Encyclopedia of Chess, Sunnucks' The Encyclopaedia of Chess, etc. Apart from 2.Ba6??, 2.Ke2 is arguably the worst move on the board. Like its cousin the "King David Attack" against the Sicilian (2.Ke2?), which I deleted from the Sicilian Defense article for similar reasons, the Boungcloud Attack pretty much defines non-notability. Krakatoa ( talk) 07:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I have also deleted reference to the "Tortoise Opening", 2.Bd3?! as non-notable. That "opening" apparently appears on page 246 of Eric Schiller's 1998 book Unorthodox Chess Openings. See its index. Yes, that would be the same book that (as our article on Schiller notes) Tony Miles famously gave the two-word review "utter crap". Like the Boungcloud Attack, the Tortoise is not played in a single game of the 74,278 double king-pawn games (and 500,000+ total games) on ChessGames.com. To state the obvious, an opening that is never played is not notable. I do not think its mention in Schiller's book, which features a plethora of bizarre "openings" never seen in any more conventional source, makes it notable. Krakatoa ( talk) 07:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I have now restored mention of the Tortoise Opening since admin Sjakkalle, despite grave misgivings about the opening's notability, has restored the article about it. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess#Tortoise_Opening. Krakatoa ( talk) 07:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
The link to Chessgames.com in the infobox seems like advertisement as the website charges 30$ a year for its services. The link is not a source and it does not add any value to the article, so it should be removed. I would do it myself, but I do not seem to be able to edit the infobox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.3.102.175 ( talk) 11:45, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Specifically came here to find out why it's called "Open Game", but that is missing. 2607:FB91:BD9F:157E:AC39:82F7:98F1:A892 ( talk) 20:38, 20 August 2023 (UTC)