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The title of Busiest Highway in North America, which according to the same repeated stat of 425,000 AADT is misleading and I think should come with an explanation. The error is in measuring. Judging by the route of the Highway 401, it is the only route traversing Southern Ontario, connecting the US. Border and Quebec and passes through Toronto, the largest city in Canada. Combined with the fact that most Canadians live within 100 miles of the U.S. Canada border I imagine this is a throughly used route.
By contrast the three sources citing 425K vehicles the supposed nearest rival is the 405 in Los Angeles at 374K. This number Federal Highway Association however measures its AADT by urban area. AADT on Highway 401 is probably all encompassing and since it is not completely urbanized along its entire route and spans an entire province, it isn't a accurate comparison to AADT numbers put out by the FHA when they count only in urban areas.
While the 405's AADT is probably fairly accurate anyway you measure it since it is an urban along its entire route, the AADT for a freeway such as the 5 or the 10 is probably in excess of over a million by virtue of the number of major cites and distance covered. The 5 for example stretches from Mexico to Canada and passes through the metropolitan areas of San Diego, Los Angeles, Sacramento, Portland, Seattle all the way up to Vancouver. The population of those metropolitan areas alone rival the population of Ontario.
Likewise the 10 stretches from the Pacific to the Atlantic and passes through Los Angeles, Phoenix, El Paso, San Antonio, Houston, New Orleans and Jacksonville, just to name a few. Again the populations served by the 10 rival Ontario or even Canada. This is nothing to say of I-95 which links most of the major cities along the Atlantic from Miami to and through Boston.
This isn't to argue that 18 lanes through Toronto isn't a lot. Just that the title of busiest freeway in North America probably isn't accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki Mateo ( talk • contribs) 06:40, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I have to second this because around 30% of the population of the United States lives in the megapolis of the United States which has a higher population than Canada and the highway that goes through this is I-95. Just the George Washington Bridge on I-95 alone by itself has almost the same amount of traffic that Highway 401 does yet this highway is suppose to be the busiest highway in North America? There is no way in hell that is possible. It's a busy highway for sure I've been on it but it does not compare to the ungodly volume of traffic I-95 has. — Preceding
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184.1.212.4 (
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I also saw this statement on the main page and did not think it was accurate. Isn't the
Garden State Parkway generally considered one of the busiest highways in North America? (According to the Wiki references it gets 1.6 million toll transactions a day. Or something close to that.) As previously mentioned the I-95 clearly gets a huge amount of traffic as well. "Busiest highway" seems clearly overstated to me.
GrimmC (
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Highway 401 as a whole is not that busy which makes the statement busiest highway in North America not accurate since it’s busiest at only one point. It's the same as claiming New York City is the biggest city in the United States when it’s not even close to being the biggest city by square miles. It’s considered the largest city due to the amount of people living there even though there are much larger cities in the United States by square miles. The point I'm trying to make here is that you have one highway that receives maybe 1.5 million vehicles a day across the entire length of it and you have another that has tens of millions of vehicles drive on it every day. The 401 does not receive the massive amount of traffic volume that I-95 has across its entirety. That makes I-95 the busiest Highway in North America not Highway 401. — Preceding
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I found an article from The Guardian that compares some of the busiest roads on the planet. Highway 401, of course, takes the cake: [1] Haljackey ( talk) 18:33, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Let's explore the amount of images this article has and see what we can do to cut/reduce the number for optimal viewing.
I'm going to list each image as important or not important, and provide additional info. This is my own opinion.
Anyways what do you think of my comments? Can we remove or replace some of these photos? Haljackey ( talk) 06:31, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Per MOS:ICON and {{ infobox road}} junctions with multiple highways should have both shields on the left, not like the 403/410 and the 404/DVP junctions are in the infobox. -- Admr Boltz 21:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Should the map be edited to show the extension in Windsor? Many maps show planned and u/c routes with a dotted line. Haljackey ( talk) 16:41, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Recently I added a new photo to the Highway of Heroes section of the article and there seems to be some debate about it. There are now two photos for that section. Should that be reduced to one? If so, which one should be removed. I'm comfortable with two photos as they significantly compliment the text, showing the role the Highway of Heroes designation has on the highway's character. Haljackey ( talk) 18:38, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
As noted in Future/Southwestern Ontario, the widening of the highway to six lanes (from four) from Woodstock to Kitchener has been a priority for a while. This work has finally been completed as of late 2010. The two sentences that talk about this work being planned or in progress should be moved from "Future" to the "Since 2008" section and put in the past tense to indicate that the work has been completed. I tried to do this just now but have messed up the edits so now I'm off to the forums to find out how to undo my edits.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by RhinoCan ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I persuaded DGG to undo my bad edits and restore the page to the way it was before. Unfortunately, as I read the various instructions for how to do the edits properly, many questions of style and technique keep arising and I'm afraid it is going to take me more time than I can spare to learn all the rules. For instance, I am not clear if the footnote to the contract that widened the 401 between Kitchener and Woodstock needs to be preserved now that work is completed. I also wonder if I need to provide some sort of proof that the work is finished, like a newspaper article stating that the widening is complete, or is it enough that I assert it having seen this with my own eyes? I'm far from clear on how to move or remove that footnote, whichever is appropriate, since the markup is quite complex. Is there any chance that someone with more familiarity with the styles and techniques could make the appropriate changes? I just want to make the article accurately reflect that this widening has been completed....
Rhino ( talk) 15:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I took another run at making the changes. I did them slightly differently but I think they fit the apparent vision for how this article should look. Please say so if I need to do something differently, otherwise I will assume the edits were satisfactory.
Rhino ( talk) 00:46, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Evacuated Highway 401 Color.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on July 1, 2011. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2011-07-01. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng { chat} 17:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I see there was a discussion about the photos already in the article; is there any reason why this amazing photo isn't in there? It shows a stretch which is 18-lanes wide, and appears to be taken from a plane. Mlm42 ( talk) 19:43, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
I find this to be very distracting. Is there a strong attachment to this addition? I don't mind the concurrency termini with Highway 6, but the red is IMO a bad colour choice on the part of whomever picked it for WP:RJL. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 03:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
What was the completion date, exactly? I haven't been able to find one on the MoT site... Lyle Lovit don't touch my hat 20:36, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I was carousing and came to a ponder over the discussions we've had around what the main image should be. I've thought about it, and I actually think that the propane explosion photo would be a really good possibility. It very clearly shows almost every major aspect of the highway (except traffic, which is shown in almost every other photo) in an eye catching way, and shows the roadway unimpeded by objects. Any thoughts? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 18:47, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the 'busiest in the world' fiasco, can another assumption be made here as well? Clearly there isn't any variable source for this (if there are any at all), but the 401 has higher volumes than any other highway reported in any country's documents (the only one that comes close is the 405 freeway in LA, which is still under 400K AADT.) Haljackey ( talk) 04:10, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
C'mon now! This is already a "Good Article" and all this repeated fiddling with different images does not improve it one bit. Leave the 401 alone and help out at other Ontario highway articles. Secondarywaltz ( talk) 17:09, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Hey everyone, I've stumbled across documents about documents describing the next phases of the C/E widening in Mississauga. Some proposals want to see the system extended west of the 407: http://i44.tinypic.com/1zmlflf.jpg. Should we mention this in the article? I found some more info here: http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/10054-401-Hurontario-Reconstruction-Starts-Sept-2009/page13. Haljackey ( talk) 18:17, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Should this have its own article? "Highway of Heroes" is the portion of Highway 401 between Glen Miller Road in Trenton and the Don Valley Parkway. The "Route of Heroes" continues the route south on the Don Valley Parkway to Bloor Street, west to Bay Street, then south to the Office of the Chief Coroner on Grenville Street. You wouldn't know from the Hwy 401 or DVP articles that there is a continuous dedicated route between the air base and the provincial coroner's office. The whole is more than the sum of its parts, which are merely sections of asphalt with markers. Secondarywaltz ( talk) 21:29, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Highway 401 is currently known as the Macdonald–Cartier Freeway and Highway of Heroes. Should the name Windsor–Essex Parkway be added as well?
Examples follow:
Macdonald–Cartier Freeway Highway of Heroes Windsor–Essex Parkway | |
Route information | |
Maintained by Ministry of Transportation of Ontario | |
Location | |
Country | Canada |
Province | Ontario |
Highway system | |
Macdonald–Cartier Freeway (entire route) Highway of Heroes (Toronto to Trenton) Windsor–Essex Parkway (Windsor) | |
Route information | |
Maintained by Ministry of Transportation of Ontario | |
Location | |
Country | Canada |
Province | Ontario |
Highway system | |
All these names is getting confusing. Haljackey ( talk) 20:27, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
The article states 'The MTO intends to widen all of the remaining four-lane sections to a minimum of six and place an Ontario Tall Wall along the entire length of the highway'. The Toronto Star reference doesn't seem to support this, and the National Post reference isn't available on-line. Does anyone have a copy of that article that supports that quote? I haven't heard of any plans to widen the eastern section of the highway, or put walls along the entire length of the highway - which would be an odd move in sections were there are wide separations between the two carriageways. Nfitz ( talk) 20:21, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Was there any rationale why the sections selected were chosen? I was thinking some more important junctions would be used (like Highway 402 to Wellington in London, Hurontario to Highway 410 in Mississauga, etc.). Is it because these are the highest volumes/changes for the cities indicated? Should something more be added to the table like changes to lane count over time? Looks kind of scrawny. Haljackey ( talk) 20:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Finally, after years of trying, we now have this epic photo licenced for use!
But where do we put it and which photo gets replaced? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 03:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Nice! It's an impressive photo and will fit home just about anywhere in the article. Greater Toronto route discription, Collector-Express explanations, history, etc.
I was looking for references to add to the lane table, but it turns out nothing is mentioned about the recent widening completed in Kingston. This content should be added to the route description and/or the 'since 2008' section so it can be referenced in the lane table. Haljackey ( talk) 07:12, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of renominating File:Highway 401 Night Lapse Busy.jpg for featured picture status because I believe it adds a lot to this article and the other articles it is displayed in. Having another featured picture of Highway 401 should also help aid in this article's Featured Article nomination. Haljackey ( talk) 21:20, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
In Route description -> Eastern Ontario we have "The Canadian Shield returns through this heavily forested section" - but we're coming from Windsor, where have we seen Shield rocks so far? It's pretty much all ancient lake bed. Are there some more eastward outcrops of shield that cross the highway route somewhere from Trenton to Kingston? I can't think of any and nothing seems to be mentioned in the article before the "return". Franamax ( talk) 07:40, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
GreenLink redirects here but there is no mention or explanation of the term in this article. -- 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 18:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Stop reverting. Until an agreed upon solution can be reached for the coordinates in the infobox, the stable and consistent version that remained for years prior to February 26th shall remain in place. The FAC was not promoted based on coordinates, but feel free to open a WP:FAR if you disagree. Start and end coordinates are redundant to the KML, which shows a line with a start and end point. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 19:06, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Comment Why would anyone suddenly start messing with something peripheral in an article they have never dealt with in a meaningful before? I just don't get. Why don't you just leave it to the "road geeks" (and I mean that in the nicest way) to get on with their work. Debate this elesewhere! Oh my! Secondarywaltz ( talk) 07:01, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
So................. Since the article has been unlocked I'm seeing revert after revert after revert. +202, -202,+202, -202, etc. Um, aren't we better than that? End this pathetic squabble or settle it elsewhere or else the article may become locked again. This is not productive. Haljackey ( talk) 03:54, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
This issue remains unresolved. Additional editors' comments would be welcome. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:05, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
I have opened this sections so I can can congratulate Floydian on steering this through to FA, and to open the discussion about improvements still needed. Can I start the ball rolling by mentioning the redlinks- has someone got these on their to do list. I assume that the missing highway articles are going to be written so it is correct to leave these redlinks in place.-- ClemRutter ( talk) 00:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
For some of the county road lists there is an incomplete set of redirects; some of that county's roads redirect to the main list, others red link. Perhaps the rest of these redirects should be created to turn a few links blue?
White Oaks Road? Looks non-notable, a London local street which runs south from the Highland Country Club for 11km, crossing just west of the 401/ 402 interchange, then ending on some equally non-notable country road. That puts it between White Oaks Mall (186: Wellington Road) and Wonderland Road. 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 04:05, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Today a new crossing between Canada and the US was formally announced. Sources [12] [13]
I am also in the process of acquiring the rights for a photo showing construction of the Windsor-Essex Parkway.
Hopefully we can have these added to the article before it is featured on the main page. Is July 1 still a go for the featured date? Haljackey ( talk) 19:34, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if a {{
sic}}
may be appropriate for the Glen here. Assuming the naming of the road is supposed to be after
Glenn Miller. Regards,
SunCreator (
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14:08, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Story from the Local London News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dKfWBe7oIg Haljackey ( talk) 02:17, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
It's done. [16]. How is such a thing added to the infobox? I want to replace the PNG image but don't see a spot for it. Haljackey ( talk) 05:40, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Visited the site yesterday. Uploaded a bunch to the commons under the 401 category: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ontario_Highway_401 Haljackey ( talk) 15:51, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
The history section doesn't describe the completion of 401, which happened between Gananoque and Brockville in 1968 (other than a photo of a plaque). There is an interesting side note to this. During the year of Expo 67 there was a huge increase in the number of vehicles traveling between southern Ontario and Montreal. Because 401 wasn't complete, all this traffic was funneled into the 2-lane Highway 2S a.k.a. Thousand Islands Parkway between Gananoque and Long Beach (just west of Brockville). Traffic was so bad, it was reported that people living on the parkway would have to wait for hours just to cross the road. There were several terrible accidents and during that summer the parkway was considered a notorious 'killer highway'. This is chronicled in the Brockville Recorder and Times and probably other Ontario newspapers of the day.
There is another somewhat interesting side note that perhaps someone can track down. I was told that in the 1960s around the time of completion of 401, the magazine Popular Mechanics had a highway expert travel the road and write an article about it. This expert said that 401 had an inferior, outdated design with poorly designed curves, grades, sightlines, traffic separation, shoulders and interchanges. Undoubtedly this is because the road took so long to complete that by the late 1960s builders were still working from plans that were considered "state of the art" back in the 1930s to 1950s when vehicles were slow and traffic was very light. The inferiority of 401 is still very evident in the parts of the road that have not been significantly upgraded since originally completely, such as the entire stretch from Kingston to the Quebec border. Possibly this article in P.M. was a "split run" special added only to the Canadian edition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.175.5.32 ( talk) 16:32, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I noticed a few layout problems in the route description today:
Also
-- Nbound ( talk) 05:01, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Further going through the article's images:
-- Nbound ( talk) 03:39, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
Simple question: I am wondering when this article will be featured on the main page. Does anyone know? Haljackey ( talk) 19:08, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm not certain if this has been brought up before (I don't see it here), but, is the 401 not Queen's Highway 401, given that the present Canadian monarch is female? -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:22, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Regardless of your opinions or the wording used on signs, the law gives their name as the King's Highway System. A reliable source (not the wording on the highway shields) is needed to change anything. - Floydian τ ¢ 23:13, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
The article says that the highway's "official name" is Macdonald-Cartier Freeway, in a way that suggests that "King's Highway 401" is not an official name. Aren't they both official names? Ivanvector ( talk) 22:31, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
I thought someone might object to a pop culture section in this article. But since an IP added one anyway, I was happy to get my Bud the Spud nod into the edit history. Ivanvector ( talk) 19:47, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
I cross into QC often so am familiar with the road markers leading me to question its length when I saw 817.9 reported. The last marker is 828km and there is a short stretch after that before the border. Also, at the end of the article the last table (entitled Exit List)shows 828km.
So, which is correct?
65.95.70.144 ( talk) 03:42, 10 November 2014 (UTC)Werner Lichtenberger
Thank you, am now well prepared for the trick question :-).. Werner Lichtenberger ( talk) 05:29, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Consolation that only Eastbound will need updating, unless the ON/QC border moves.... Werner Lichtenberger ( talk) 02:05, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
U r right, was confused by the 0km marker just west of border. Must be for Hwy 40... Oh well, where would the economy be without "make-work" projects, some real nice ones around from the 30's kept the shovels & the pencils busy.... Werner Lichtenberger ( talk) 17:24, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Citing this article from the Guardian, I've altered the language in the opening paragraph, and claimed the title of "busiest highway in the world" for Highway 401. Because of the featured nature of this article and the boldness of my change, I thought it appropriate to expand on my reasons in discussion.
First, regarding reliable sources:
(To be clear, the next two points are not given as official support, but merely as additional, informal confirmation for the purposes of this discussion:)
Is there any evidence of another highway in the world with comparable volume of traffic? Failing that, is there evidence of an extremely busy highway for which adequate statistics do not exist, that might be busier than Hwy 401? I've found none, and as I've said, it's hard to hide a highway that big.
Eunomiac ( talk) 17:17, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
This is original research. The Guardian infographic explicitly makes no claims as to the supremacy of the highway's busyness. It simply says "some of the busiest". Wikipedia is not supposed to engage in such original research. It is rather upsetting that this supposed "fact" which seems to have been invented in this section is now being trumpeted to the world. 69.6.104.76 ( talk) 15:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
The Sun calls it the busiest highway in the world in this recent article: here. An Automotive website also claims it: here I am not weighing in on either "one of the" or "the" busiest just yet.)-- NotWillyWonka ( talk) 17:49, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
There is evidence of a busier highway: see Highway 20 (Israel), "on an average day almost 600,000 vehicles enter the freeway." @Floydian noted the Highway 20 article in an archived discussion from 2011. Why are we rehashing this without first checking the archives? Phlar ( talk) 23:51, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
I have reverted a reversion that removed: "Prior to 1976 the speed limit was 113 km/h (70 mph)" on the grounds that the information was incomplete. There should perhaps be an entire paragraph on speed limits on the 401 throughout its history, however the reduction from 70 mph (to 60 mph, which was subsequently "metrified" to 100km/h) is the most significant change in the 401's history. Therefore I have reinstated this fact. If someone wishes to provide greater detail on various speed limit changes and the reasons, that might be interesting to some readers. In the meantime, the information on the 1976 speed reduction (which presumably was a response to the U.S. reduction to 55 mph after the 1973 oil crisis) is relevant and important information in this article. Tetsuo ( talk) 05:34, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I've started working on a draft article covering the massive pile-up in 1999 in Essex County, which is notable for being considered the worst pile-up in Canadian history (or one of the worst), and for influencing improvements to that part of the highway in the following years (as noted in this article). The content is based largely on sources found in this article, plus some others that I've found. I think that it can be expanded considerably. This is inspired by pages we have on other major road collisions such as 1991 M4 motorway crash and 2009 Taconic State Parkway crash, and it is already listed at List of traffic collisions#1999. If you would like to comment or contribute, please see 1999 Highway 401 crash. Thanks. Ivanvector ( talk) 21:53, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
) not a regular space so that they can't be separated on consecutive lines by a line break; remember that readers can view articles on smart phones or widescreen monitors so we can never predict where a line might break in the flow of the text.{{convert|32|km|mi|adj-on}}
.Please note there is a discussion regarding the primary topic usage of Highway 401 underway. Please add your comments at Talk:Highway 401. - Floydian τ ¢ 17:39, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
One clause is tagged for citation: "[Thousand Islands Parkway is] one of the original sections of the highway designated in 1952". [17] If, as indicated by the article, Thousand Islands Parkway was called Highway 2S, then this clause might be equivalent to the statement "In July 1952 ... Highway 2S were designated Controlled-Access Highway No 401", which is sourced to "Shragge pp. 93–94." DrKiernan ( talk) 17:23, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Per WP:IMGLOC: "avoid sandwiching text between two images that face each other"
On my computer (1920x1080 resolution, Chrome on OS X Yosemite) I see a lot of sandwiching. Comments? sst✈ (discuss) 17:45, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't recall exactly where, but I saw somewhere that there was an extension to ON 401. User:Floydian, is this up to date? -- Rs chen 7754 18:38, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
My additions of alternate names to the highway were deleted on the premise that they don't apply to the entire highway. Alternate names apply to parts of a road, not just all of it, as other road articles attest to.
Also, my formatting in the exit list for the Halton and Peel exits was changed back (although the 'jcon' format shields weren't actually visible for them, they are for the Essex County exits) when I placed county road shields followed by road names. Do you really need to see "Regional Road XX" when the number is already shown in the shield? It looks neater and less cluttered that way. Transportfan ( talk) 18:24, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
If you read other Ontario highway articles, such as Ontario Highway 400 it does show shields and alternate names that don't apply to the whole highway at the top of the infobox. There's no rule that says they need to. Transportfan70 ( talk) 07:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I never knew not placing shields or names not applying to the entire highway at the top of the infobox was a criteria actually. Transportfan70 ( talk) 02:46, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
That's a fluke. I forgot to type the '70' in my username, but for some reason it still signed me in. I didn't notice at first but couldn't figure out why my user page was empty and my account didn't technically exist. Transportfan70 ( talk) 02:39, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
I was wondering that too. Seriously. I don't know what's going on. Glitch? You can delete the Transportfan (without the '70' after it) account. Transportfan70 ( talk) 15:14, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Given the high number of encyclopedic photos, the current congestion (guess it just goes hand in hand with the 401) of photos, the spectrum of locations along a 830km freeway worthy of showcasing, and a perennial swapping of images, I'd like to propose the use of a gallery to include a few of the many images that cannot fit into the article. Taking from a concept used on portals, perhaps a random rotation/selection per reload would be best, allowing a showcase of our numerous images. Comments/thoughts? - Floydian τ ¢ 05:05, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Support splits - Article is over 100 kB, and should be split into new articles entitled List of exits for Ontario Highway 401 and History of Ontario Highway 401. Thoughts? -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 18:37, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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The title of Busiest Highway in North America, which according to the same repeated stat of 425,000 AADT is misleading and I think should come with an explanation. The error is in measuring. Judging by the route of the Highway 401, it is the only route traversing Southern Ontario, connecting the US. Border and Quebec and passes through Toronto, the largest city in Canada. Combined with the fact that most Canadians live within 100 miles of the U.S. Canada border I imagine this is a throughly used route.
By contrast the three sources citing 425K vehicles the supposed nearest rival is the 405 in Los Angeles at 374K. This number Federal Highway Association however measures its AADT by urban area. AADT on Highway 401 is probably all encompassing and since it is not completely urbanized along its entire route and spans an entire province, it isn't a accurate comparison to AADT numbers put out by the FHA when they count only in urban areas.
While the 405's AADT is probably fairly accurate anyway you measure it since it is an urban along its entire route, the AADT for a freeway such as the 5 or the 10 is probably in excess of over a million by virtue of the number of major cites and distance covered. The 5 for example stretches from Mexico to Canada and passes through the metropolitan areas of San Diego, Los Angeles, Sacramento, Portland, Seattle all the way up to Vancouver. The population of those metropolitan areas alone rival the population of Ontario.
Likewise the 10 stretches from the Pacific to the Atlantic and passes through Los Angeles, Phoenix, El Paso, San Antonio, Houston, New Orleans and Jacksonville, just to name a few. Again the populations served by the 10 rival Ontario or even Canada. This is nothing to say of I-95 which links most of the major cities along the Atlantic from Miami to and through Boston.
This isn't to argue that 18 lanes through Toronto isn't a lot. Just that the title of busiest freeway in North America probably isn't accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki Mateo ( talk • contribs) 06:40, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I have to second this because around 30% of the population of the United States lives in the megapolis of the United States which has a higher population than Canada and the highway that goes through this is I-95. Just the George Washington Bridge on I-95 alone by itself has almost the same amount of traffic that Highway 401 does yet this highway is suppose to be the busiest highway in North America? There is no way in hell that is possible. It's a busy highway for sure I've been on it but it does not compare to the ungodly volume of traffic I-95 has. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
184.1.212.4 (
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23:53, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
I also saw this statement on the main page and did not think it was accurate. Isn't the
Garden State Parkway generally considered one of the busiest highways in North America? (According to the Wiki references it gets 1.6 million toll transactions a day. Or something close to that.) As previously mentioned the I-95 clearly gets a huge amount of traffic as well. "Busiest highway" seems clearly overstated to me.
GrimmC (
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02:47, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Highway 401 as a whole is not that busy which makes the statement busiest highway in North America not accurate since it’s busiest at only one point. It's the same as claiming New York City is the biggest city in the United States when it’s not even close to being the biggest city by square miles. It’s considered the largest city due to the amount of people living there even though there are much larger cities in the United States by square miles. The point I'm trying to make here is that you have one highway that receives maybe 1.5 million vehicles a day across the entire length of it and you have another that has tens of millions of vehicles drive on it every day. The 401 does not receive the massive amount of traffic volume that I-95 has across its entirety. That makes I-95 the busiest Highway in North America not Highway 401. — Preceding
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I found an article from The Guardian that compares some of the busiest roads on the planet. Highway 401, of course, takes the cake: [1] Haljackey ( talk) 18:33, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Let's explore the amount of images this article has and see what we can do to cut/reduce the number for optimal viewing.
I'm going to list each image as important or not important, and provide additional info. This is my own opinion.
Anyways what do you think of my comments? Can we remove or replace some of these photos? Haljackey ( talk) 06:31, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Per MOS:ICON and {{ infobox road}} junctions with multiple highways should have both shields on the left, not like the 403/410 and the 404/DVP junctions are in the infobox. -- Admr Boltz 21:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Should the map be edited to show the extension in Windsor? Many maps show planned and u/c routes with a dotted line. Haljackey ( talk) 16:41, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Recently I added a new photo to the Highway of Heroes section of the article and there seems to be some debate about it. There are now two photos for that section. Should that be reduced to one? If so, which one should be removed. I'm comfortable with two photos as they significantly compliment the text, showing the role the Highway of Heroes designation has on the highway's character. Haljackey ( talk) 18:38, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
As noted in Future/Southwestern Ontario, the widening of the highway to six lanes (from four) from Woodstock to Kitchener has been a priority for a while. This work has finally been completed as of late 2010. The two sentences that talk about this work being planned or in progress should be moved from "Future" to the "Since 2008" section and put in the past tense to indicate that the work has been completed. I tried to do this just now but have messed up the edits so now I'm off to the forums to find out how to undo my edits.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by RhinoCan ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I persuaded DGG to undo my bad edits and restore the page to the way it was before. Unfortunately, as I read the various instructions for how to do the edits properly, many questions of style and technique keep arising and I'm afraid it is going to take me more time than I can spare to learn all the rules. For instance, I am not clear if the footnote to the contract that widened the 401 between Kitchener and Woodstock needs to be preserved now that work is completed. I also wonder if I need to provide some sort of proof that the work is finished, like a newspaper article stating that the widening is complete, or is it enough that I assert it having seen this with my own eyes? I'm far from clear on how to move or remove that footnote, whichever is appropriate, since the markup is quite complex. Is there any chance that someone with more familiarity with the styles and techniques could make the appropriate changes? I just want to make the article accurately reflect that this widening has been completed....
Rhino ( talk) 15:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I took another run at making the changes. I did them slightly differently but I think they fit the apparent vision for how this article should look. Please say so if I need to do something differently, otherwise I will assume the edits were satisfactory.
Rhino ( talk) 00:46, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Evacuated Highway 401 Color.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on July 1, 2011. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2011-07-01. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng { chat} 17:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I see there was a discussion about the photos already in the article; is there any reason why this amazing photo isn't in there? It shows a stretch which is 18-lanes wide, and appears to be taken from a plane. Mlm42 ( talk) 19:43, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
I find this to be very distracting. Is there a strong attachment to this addition? I don't mind the concurrency termini with Highway 6, but the red is IMO a bad colour choice on the part of whomever picked it for WP:RJL. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 03:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
What was the completion date, exactly? I haven't been able to find one on the MoT site... Lyle Lovit don't touch my hat 20:36, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I was carousing and came to a ponder over the discussions we've had around what the main image should be. I've thought about it, and I actually think that the propane explosion photo would be a really good possibility. It very clearly shows almost every major aspect of the highway (except traffic, which is shown in almost every other photo) in an eye catching way, and shows the roadway unimpeded by objects. Any thoughts? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 18:47, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the 'busiest in the world' fiasco, can another assumption be made here as well? Clearly there isn't any variable source for this (if there are any at all), but the 401 has higher volumes than any other highway reported in any country's documents (the only one that comes close is the 405 freeway in LA, which is still under 400K AADT.) Haljackey ( talk) 04:10, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
C'mon now! This is already a "Good Article" and all this repeated fiddling with different images does not improve it one bit. Leave the 401 alone and help out at other Ontario highway articles. Secondarywaltz ( talk) 17:09, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Hey everyone, I've stumbled across documents about documents describing the next phases of the C/E widening in Mississauga. Some proposals want to see the system extended west of the 407: http://i44.tinypic.com/1zmlflf.jpg. Should we mention this in the article? I found some more info here: http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/10054-401-Hurontario-Reconstruction-Starts-Sept-2009/page13. Haljackey ( talk) 18:17, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Should this have its own article? "Highway of Heroes" is the portion of Highway 401 between Glen Miller Road in Trenton and the Don Valley Parkway. The "Route of Heroes" continues the route south on the Don Valley Parkway to Bloor Street, west to Bay Street, then south to the Office of the Chief Coroner on Grenville Street. You wouldn't know from the Hwy 401 or DVP articles that there is a continuous dedicated route between the air base and the provincial coroner's office. The whole is more than the sum of its parts, which are merely sections of asphalt with markers. Secondarywaltz ( talk) 21:29, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Highway 401 is currently known as the Macdonald–Cartier Freeway and Highway of Heroes. Should the name Windsor–Essex Parkway be added as well?
Examples follow:
Macdonald–Cartier Freeway Highway of Heroes Windsor–Essex Parkway | |
Route information | |
Maintained by Ministry of Transportation of Ontario | |
Location | |
Country | Canada |
Province | Ontario |
Highway system | |
Macdonald–Cartier Freeway (entire route) Highway of Heroes (Toronto to Trenton) Windsor–Essex Parkway (Windsor) | |
Route information | |
Maintained by Ministry of Transportation of Ontario | |
Location | |
Country | Canada |
Province | Ontario |
Highway system | |
All these names is getting confusing. Haljackey ( talk) 20:27, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
The article states 'The MTO intends to widen all of the remaining four-lane sections to a minimum of six and place an Ontario Tall Wall along the entire length of the highway'. The Toronto Star reference doesn't seem to support this, and the National Post reference isn't available on-line. Does anyone have a copy of that article that supports that quote? I haven't heard of any plans to widen the eastern section of the highway, or put walls along the entire length of the highway - which would be an odd move in sections were there are wide separations between the two carriageways. Nfitz ( talk) 20:21, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Was there any rationale why the sections selected were chosen? I was thinking some more important junctions would be used (like Highway 402 to Wellington in London, Hurontario to Highway 410 in Mississauga, etc.). Is it because these are the highest volumes/changes for the cities indicated? Should something more be added to the table like changes to lane count over time? Looks kind of scrawny. Haljackey ( talk) 20:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Finally, after years of trying, we now have this epic photo licenced for use!
But where do we put it and which photo gets replaced? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 03:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Nice! It's an impressive photo and will fit home just about anywhere in the article. Greater Toronto route discription, Collector-Express explanations, history, etc.
I was looking for references to add to the lane table, but it turns out nothing is mentioned about the recent widening completed in Kingston. This content should be added to the route description and/or the 'since 2008' section so it can be referenced in the lane table. Haljackey ( talk) 07:12, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of renominating File:Highway 401 Night Lapse Busy.jpg for featured picture status because I believe it adds a lot to this article and the other articles it is displayed in. Having another featured picture of Highway 401 should also help aid in this article's Featured Article nomination. Haljackey ( talk) 21:20, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
In Route description -> Eastern Ontario we have "The Canadian Shield returns through this heavily forested section" - but we're coming from Windsor, where have we seen Shield rocks so far? It's pretty much all ancient lake bed. Are there some more eastward outcrops of shield that cross the highway route somewhere from Trenton to Kingston? I can't think of any and nothing seems to be mentioned in the article before the "return". Franamax ( talk) 07:40, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
GreenLink redirects here but there is no mention or explanation of the term in this article. -- 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 18:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Stop reverting. Until an agreed upon solution can be reached for the coordinates in the infobox, the stable and consistent version that remained for years prior to February 26th shall remain in place. The FAC was not promoted based on coordinates, but feel free to open a WP:FAR if you disagree. Start and end coordinates are redundant to the KML, which shows a line with a start and end point. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 19:06, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Comment Why would anyone suddenly start messing with something peripheral in an article they have never dealt with in a meaningful before? I just don't get. Why don't you just leave it to the "road geeks" (and I mean that in the nicest way) to get on with their work. Debate this elesewhere! Oh my! Secondarywaltz ( talk) 07:01, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
So................. Since the article has been unlocked I'm seeing revert after revert after revert. +202, -202,+202, -202, etc. Um, aren't we better than that? End this pathetic squabble or settle it elsewhere or else the article may become locked again. This is not productive. Haljackey ( talk) 03:54, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
This issue remains unresolved. Additional editors' comments would be welcome. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:05, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
I have opened this sections so I can can congratulate Floydian on steering this through to FA, and to open the discussion about improvements still needed. Can I start the ball rolling by mentioning the redlinks- has someone got these on their to do list. I assume that the missing highway articles are going to be written so it is correct to leave these redlinks in place.-- ClemRutter ( talk) 00:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
For some of the county road lists there is an incomplete set of redirects; some of that county's roads redirect to the main list, others red link. Perhaps the rest of these redirects should be created to turn a few links blue?
White Oaks Road? Looks non-notable, a London local street which runs south from the Highland Country Club for 11km, crossing just west of the 401/ 402 interchange, then ending on some equally non-notable country road. That puts it between White Oaks Mall (186: Wellington Road) and Wonderland Road. 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 04:05, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Today a new crossing between Canada and the US was formally announced. Sources [12] [13]
I am also in the process of acquiring the rights for a photo showing construction of the Windsor-Essex Parkway.
Hopefully we can have these added to the article before it is featured on the main page. Is July 1 still a go for the featured date? Haljackey ( talk) 19:34, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
I was wondering if a {{
sic}}
may be appropriate for the Glen here. Assuming the naming of the road is supposed to be after
Glenn Miller. Regards,
SunCreator (
talk)
14:08, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Story from the Local London News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dKfWBe7oIg Haljackey ( talk) 02:17, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
It's done. [16]. How is such a thing added to the infobox? I want to replace the PNG image but don't see a spot for it. Haljackey ( talk) 05:40, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Visited the site yesterday. Uploaded a bunch to the commons under the 401 category: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ontario_Highway_401 Haljackey ( talk) 15:51, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
The history section doesn't describe the completion of 401, which happened between Gananoque and Brockville in 1968 (other than a photo of a plaque). There is an interesting side note to this. During the year of Expo 67 there was a huge increase in the number of vehicles traveling between southern Ontario and Montreal. Because 401 wasn't complete, all this traffic was funneled into the 2-lane Highway 2S a.k.a. Thousand Islands Parkway between Gananoque and Long Beach (just west of Brockville). Traffic was so bad, it was reported that people living on the parkway would have to wait for hours just to cross the road. There were several terrible accidents and during that summer the parkway was considered a notorious 'killer highway'. This is chronicled in the Brockville Recorder and Times and probably other Ontario newspapers of the day.
There is another somewhat interesting side note that perhaps someone can track down. I was told that in the 1960s around the time of completion of 401, the magazine Popular Mechanics had a highway expert travel the road and write an article about it. This expert said that 401 had an inferior, outdated design with poorly designed curves, grades, sightlines, traffic separation, shoulders and interchanges. Undoubtedly this is because the road took so long to complete that by the late 1960s builders were still working from plans that were considered "state of the art" back in the 1930s to 1950s when vehicles were slow and traffic was very light. The inferiority of 401 is still very evident in the parts of the road that have not been significantly upgraded since originally completely, such as the entire stretch from Kingston to the Quebec border. Possibly this article in P.M. was a "split run" special added only to the Canadian edition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.175.5.32 ( talk) 16:32, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
I noticed a few layout problems in the route description today:
Also
-- Nbound ( talk) 05:01, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Further going through the article's images:
-- Nbound ( talk) 03:39, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
Simple question: I am wondering when this article will be featured on the main page. Does anyone know? Haljackey ( talk) 19:08, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm not certain if this has been brought up before (I don't see it here), but, is the 401 not Queen's Highway 401, given that the present Canadian monarch is female? -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:22, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Regardless of your opinions or the wording used on signs, the law gives their name as the King's Highway System. A reliable source (not the wording on the highway shields) is needed to change anything. - Floydian τ ¢ 23:13, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
The article says that the highway's "official name" is Macdonald-Cartier Freeway, in a way that suggests that "King's Highway 401" is not an official name. Aren't they both official names? Ivanvector ( talk) 22:31, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
I thought someone might object to a pop culture section in this article. But since an IP added one anyway, I was happy to get my Bud the Spud nod into the edit history. Ivanvector ( talk) 19:47, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
I cross into QC often so am familiar with the road markers leading me to question its length when I saw 817.9 reported. The last marker is 828km and there is a short stretch after that before the border. Also, at the end of the article the last table (entitled Exit List)shows 828km.
So, which is correct?
65.95.70.144 ( talk) 03:42, 10 November 2014 (UTC)Werner Lichtenberger
Thank you, am now well prepared for the trick question :-).. Werner Lichtenberger ( talk) 05:29, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Consolation that only Eastbound will need updating, unless the ON/QC border moves.... Werner Lichtenberger ( talk) 02:05, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
U r right, was confused by the 0km marker just west of border. Must be for Hwy 40... Oh well, where would the economy be without "make-work" projects, some real nice ones around from the 30's kept the shovels & the pencils busy.... Werner Lichtenberger ( talk) 17:24, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Citing this article from the Guardian, I've altered the language in the opening paragraph, and claimed the title of "busiest highway in the world" for Highway 401. Because of the featured nature of this article and the boldness of my change, I thought it appropriate to expand on my reasons in discussion.
First, regarding reliable sources:
(To be clear, the next two points are not given as official support, but merely as additional, informal confirmation for the purposes of this discussion:)
Is there any evidence of another highway in the world with comparable volume of traffic? Failing that, is there evidence of an extremely busy highway for which adequate statistics do not exist, that might be busier than Hwy 401? I've found none, and as I've said, it's hard to hide a highway that big.
Eunomiac ( talk) 17:17, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
This is original research. The Guardian infographic explicitly makes no claims as to the supremacy of the highway's busyness. It simply says "some of the busiest". Wikipedia is not supposed to engage in such original research. It is rather upsetting that this supposed "fact" which seems to have been invented in this section is now being trumpeted to the world. 69.6.104.76 ( talk) 15:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
The Sun calls it the busiest highway in the world in this recent article: here. An Automotive website also claims it: here I am not weighing in on either "one of the" or "the" busiest just yet.)-- NotWillyWonka ( talk) 17:49, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
There is evidence of a busier highway: see Highway 20 (Israel), "on an average day almost 600,000 vehicles enter the freeway." @Floydian noted the Highway 20 article in an archived discussion from 2011. Why are we rehashing this without first checking the archives? Phlar ( talk) 23:51, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
I have reverted a reversion that removed: "Prior to 1976 the speed limit was 113 km/h (70 mph)" on the grounds that the information was incomplete. There should perhaps be an entire paragraph on speed limits on the 401 throughout its history, however the reduction from 70 mph (to 60 mph, which was subsequently "metrified" to 100km/h) is the most significant change in the 401's history. Therefore I have reinstated this fact. If someone wishes to provide greater detail on various speed limit changes and the reasons, that might be interesting to some readers. In the meantime, the information on the 1976 speed reduction (which presumably was a response to the U.S. reduction to 55 mph after the 1973 oil crisis) is relevant and important information in this article. Tetsuo ( talk) 05:34, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I've started working on a draft article covering the massive pile-up in 1999 in Essex County, which is notable for being considered the worst pile-up in Canadian history (or one of the worst), and for influencing improvements to that part of the highway in the following years (as noted in this article). The content is based largely on sources found in this article, plus some others that I've found. I think that it can be expanded considerably. This is inspired by pages we have on other major road collisions such as 1991 M4 motorway crash and 2009 Taconic State Parkway crash, and it is already listed at List of traffic collisions#1999. If you would like to comment or contribute, please see 1999 Highway 401 crash. Thanks. Ivanvector ( talk) 21:53, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
) not a regular space so that they can't be separated on consecutive lines by a line break; remember that readers can view articles on smart phones or widescreen monitors so we can never predict where a line might break in the flow of the text.{{convert|32|km|mi|adj-on}}
.Please note there is a discussion regarding the primary topic usage of Highway 401 underway. Please add your comments at Talk:Highway 401. - Floydian τ ¢ 17:39, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
One clause is tagged for citation: "[Thousand Islands Parkway is] one of the original sections of the highway designated in 1952". [17] If, as indicated by the article, Thousand Islands Parkway was called Highway 2S, then this clause might be equivalent to the statement "In July 1952 ... Highway 2S were designated Controlled-Access Highway No 401", which is sourced to "Shragge pp. 93–94." DrKiernan ( talk) 17:23, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Per WP:IMGLOC: "avoid sandwiching text between two images that face each other"
On my computer (1920x1080 resolution, Chrome on OS X Yosemite) I see a lot of sandwiching. Comments? sst✈ (discuss) 17:45, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't recall exactly where, but I saw somewhere that there was an extension to ON 401. User:Floydian, is this up to date? -- Rs chen 7754 18:38, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
My additions of alternate names to the highway were deleted on the premise that they don't apply to the entire highway. Alternate names apply to parts of a road, not just all of it, as other road articles attest to.
Also, my formatting in the exit list for the Halton and Peel exits was changed back (although the 'jcon' format shields weren't actually visible for them, they are for the Essex County exits) when I placed county road shields followed by road names. Do you really need to see "Regional Road XX" when the number is already shown in the shield? It looks neater and less cluttered that way. Transportfan ( talk) 18:24, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
If you read other Ontario highway articles, such as Ontario Highway 400 it does show shields and alternate names that don't apply to the whole highway at the top of the infobox. There's no rule that says they need to. Transportfan70 ( talk) 07:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
I never knew not placing shields or names not applying to the entire highway at the top of the infobox was a criteria actually. Transportfan70 ( talk) 02:46, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
That's a fluke. I forgot to type the '70' in my username, but for some reason it still signed me in. I didn't notice at first but couldn't figure out why my user page was empty and my account didn't technically exist. Transportfan70 ( talk) 02:39, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
I was wondering that too. Seriously. I don't know what's going on. Glitch? You can delete the Transportfan (without the '70' after it) account. Transportfan70 ( talk) 15:14, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Given the high number of encyclopedic photos, the current congestion (guess it just goes hand in hand with the 401) of photos, the spectrum of locations along a 830km freeway worthy of showcasing, and a perennial swapping of images, I'd like to propose the use of a gallery to include a few of the many images that cannot fit into the article. Taking from a concept used on portals, perhaps a random rotation/selection per reload would be best, allowing a showcase of our numerous images. Comments/thoughts? - Floydian τ ¢ 05:05, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Support splits - Article is over 100 kB, and should be split into new articles entitled List of exits for Ontario Highway 401 and History of Ontario Highway 401. Thoughts? -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 18:37, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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