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I added in a foreigner controversy to the excellent onsen article because I thought it gave it a little more breadth. (I also started my first discussion page! First time for everything I guess. Malnova 03:08, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
It needs to conform to Wikipedia standards in language and tone.-- Sir Edgar 08:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I have looked at some of the text and it still looks like a personal travel diary or travelogue. It needs fixing to make it more like an encyclopedia article. -- Filll 15:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I tried to make it a little less personal and less like a travel-logue or an article out of a travel brochure. It probably needs more polishing however to remove the flowery language and weird tone. Also some of the sentence constructions definitely are not from a native english speaker, as I guess is not surprising. I tried to fix some of these.--
Filll
15:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
To add more balance, I put in a section in infections from hot springs/onsen. There is a huge medical literature about infections from Japanese onsen.-- Filll 15:59, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
The article was recently heavily edited. I am not sure how reasonable these were. Please take a look. -- Filll 15:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm Japanese,and I don't have any confidence in my English sorry... "内湯" is usually pronounced "uchiyu" .And uchiyu don't mean indoor ONSEN. It's private ONSEN owned by a local inn and so on.Include indoor/outdoor ONSEN. Will anybody amand article in my place? -- 219.112.203.130 16:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi all, I'm having difficulty understanding the line in the article noting that people who do not wash before entering the onsen "might disturb the views of other people". Is the writer being whimsical or does he/she mean something else? I find it hard to see how this might "disturb views" and am thinking of changing this phrase but I would welcome any input first.
Dan
I went in and changed the wording to the "disturb views". It kind of stuck out when I read it myself the first time, Malnova 13:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Swimsuits, noise, infections and controversy???? Onsens are not about any of these things and these should not be boldface major headings in the article. I have never seen such a skewed and negative view of onsen in my life and I have been visiting Japanese onsen for over 20 years with over 100 visits. The viewpoint represented here is that of the Western "clorine and swimsuit" approach to bathing which has nothing to do with Japanese onsen culture. It is a view from those who do not understand it. I notice there is no mention of foot fungus in the Wikipedia page on yoga, and no mention of disease in the page on hotels, no mention of food poisoning in the pages on cuisine. In Japan onsen are viewed as places for relaxation, healing, and local food. The unbalanced negative perspective does not belong in an enclyclopedia. I suggest you wipe this and start from scratch by enlisting Japanese experts on hot springs first of all.
tochigionsenmeguri@yahoo.com
I clearly agree with the comment just above. I have changed note number 4, which stated "Entering the onsen while still dirty or covered in soap can be very unsettling for others and might even cause an uproar. At the very least, onsen users are expected to use a scoop provided to splash water over their genitals and feet. This symbolically cleanses these areas." I should be underlined that everyone is expected to clean his body before entering the bath. The "symbolic" cleaning has nothing to do in this article, as this is normally not an accepted practice. I also would suggest to put the "Recent controversy" only as a notepage: this issue is now rather old, and it was anyway not representative at all of Japanese onsen - it was really an unique case which do not merit so much attention. Sanji japan ( talk) 09:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
My understanding is that most onsen baths originally were mixed-gender (i.e. men and women bathed together), but that during the last century or so the custom has changed and most if not all onsen are single-sex (i.e. men and women bathe separately). If my understanding is correct, probably something should be said about this. Roland 129.93.17.106 ( talk) 16:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Should the links section be reviewed? There are some there, such as konyaku.info and konyaku.biz, that are purely in Japanese and would be of little help to English speakers. Unless anyone has strenuous objections it may be an idea to delete a few. Appreciate people's thoughts. Koizoomi ( talk) 12:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I have removed these sites above plus two other recent additions (commercial hotel sites). Please discuss if you consider this unfair. Thanks. Koizoomi ( talk) 12:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
This has happened repeatedly over the last few days. If you want to do this, discuss it here on the talk page. Do not summarily remove this sort of material.-- Filll 23:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I propose the removal of the Infections section - it's incidental and not elemental to the cultural concept of onsen, and is already discussed relatively well in the more general Hot Springs entry. The bias section isn't entirely appropriate as it is not a series of events unique to onsen, but is endemic to the culture, but that's more debatable. Zaileron ( talk) 13:43, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
I added in a foreigner controversy to the excellent onsen article because I thought it gave it a little more breadth. (I also started my first discussion page! First time for everything I guess. Malnova 03:08, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
It needs to conform to Wikipedia standards in language and tone.-- Sir Edgar 08:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I have looked at some of the text and it still looks like a personal travel diary or travelogue. It needs fixing to make it more like an encyclopedia article. -- Filll 15:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I tried to make it a little less personal and less like a travel-logue or an article out of a travel brochure. It probably needs more polishing however to remove the flowery language and weird tone. Also some of the sentence constructions definitely are not from a native english speaker, as I guess is not surprising. I tried to fix some of these.--
Filll
15:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
To add more balance, I put in a section in infections from hot springs/onsen. There is a huge medical literature about infections from Japanese onsen.-- Filll 15:59, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
The article was recently heavily edited. I am not sure how reasonable these were. Please take a look. -- Filll 15:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm Japanese,and I don't have any confidence in my English sorry... "内湯" is usually pronounced "uchiyu" .And uchiyu don't mean indoor ONSEN. It's private ONSEN owned by a local inn and so on.Include indoor/outdoor ONSEN. Will anybody amand article in my place? -- 219.112.203.130 16:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi all, I'm having difficulty understanding the line in the article noting that people who do not wash before entering the onsen "might disturb the views of other people". Is the writer being whimsical or does he/she mean something else? I find it hard to see how this might "disturb views" and am thinking of changing this phrase but I would welcome any input first.
Dan
I went in and changed the wording to the "disturb views". It kind of stuck out when I read it myself the first time, Malnova 13:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Swimsuits, noise, infections and controversy???? Onsens are not about any of these things and these should not be boldface major headings in the article. I have never seen such a skewed and negative view of onsen in my life and I have been visiting Japanese onsen for over 20 years with over 100 visits. The viewpoint represented here is that of the Western "clorine and swimsuit" approach to bathing which has nothing to do with Japanese onsen culture. It is a view from those who do not understand it. I notice there is no mention of foot fungus in the Wikipedia page on yoga, and no mention of disease in the page on hotels, no mention of food poisoning in the pages on cuisine. In Japan onsen are viewed as places for relaxation, healing, and local food. The unbalanced negative perspective does not belong in an enclyclopedia. I suggest you wipe this and start from scratch by enlisting Japanese experts on hot springs first of all.
tochigionsenmeguri@yahoo.com
I clearly agree with the comment just above. I have changed note number 4, which stated "Entering the onsen while still dirty or covered in soap can be very unsettling for others and might even cause an uproar. At the very least, onsen users are expected to use a scoop provided to splash water over their genitals and feet. This symbolically cleanses these areas." I should be underlined that everyone is expected to clean his body before entering the bath. The "symbolic" cleaning has nothing to do in this article, as this is normally not an accepted practice. I also would suggest to put the "Recent controversy" only as a notepage: this issue is now rather old, and it was anyway not representative at all of Japanese onsen - it was really an unique case which do not merit so much attention. Sanji japan ( talk) 09:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
My understanding is that most onsen baths originally were mixed-gender (i.e. men and women bathed together), but that during the last century or so the custom has changed and most if not all onsen are single-sex (i.e. men and women bathe separately). If my understanding is correct, probably something should be said about this. Roland 129.93.17.106 ( talk) 16:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Should the links section be reviewed? There are some there, such as konyaku.info and konyaku.biz, that are purely in Japanese and would be of little help to English speakers. Unless anyone has strenuous objections it may be an idea to delete a few. Appreciate people's thoughts. Koizoomi ( talk) 12:47, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I have removed these sites above plus two other recent additions (commercial hotel sites). Please discuss if you consider this unfair. Thanks. Koizoomi ( talk) 12:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
This has happened repeatedly over the last few days. If you want to do this, discuss it here on the talk page. Do not summarily remove this sort of material.-- Filll 23:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I propose the removal of the Infections section - it's incidental and not elemental to the cultural concept of onsen, and is already discussed relatively well in the more general Hot Springs entry. The bias section isn't entirely appropriate as it is not a series of events unique to onsen, but is endemic to the culture, but that's more debatable. Zaileron ( talk) 13:43, 17 August 2010 (UTC)