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The paragraphs seem too long and involved. Can these be broken up into more digestible chunks? Jlg4104 ( talk) 16:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
The Perseus text makes it clear that the wife was initially innocent, and far from her persuing a tryst with Eratosthenes, it was the other way around. The participles ἐπιτηρῶν meaning he was looking out for (the maid) and προσφέρων (applying, or here, sending) are both masculine. So Eratosthenes, who had seen the wife at Euphiletus' mother's funeral began looking out for her maid walking in the marketplace and after sending messages (by her to the wife) he corrupted her. A1jrj ( talk) 11:39, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
The quotations are vague here. [5] points to an whole article from Porter with 27 pages. [5] e for example is a direct quote and it ist not shown on which of these many pages it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.230.194.202 ( talk) 13:11, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
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I have removed this section, cited to Walter Woodburn Hyde (1918) "The Homicide Courts of Ancient Athens", as the source does not support the claims made and the connection to the actual topic of this article, the speech on the murder of Eratosthenes, seems to be WP:SYNTH. Specific points I have issue with include:
The judicial system of Ancient Greece was a unique one. Law and order in Ancient Greek times were not decided based on set laws of the state, but based on customs. Customs of which judges and officials will declare whether an act should be penalized or not.The source does not call this system unique, but rather that this practice was "like other primitive communities". At any rate, this is a description of the system in "early Athens", not the time of Demosthenes: "later ... codified law came into existence ... in the days of Draco" (i.e. several centuries before Demosthenes!)
In this stories particular case, the judicial system could seem hypocritical in its prosecution protocolthis isn't in the source, and is the kind of claim which absolutely needs to be cited and attributed.
in this case with Euphiletos, if he was to notify friends and or members of his community, before hand, as liable witnesses, then this case would be considered justifiable homicidesource says nothing about requiring witnesses
Caeciliusinhorto-public ( talk) 11:16, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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The paragraphs seem too long and involved. Can these be broken up into more digestible chunks? Jlg4104 ( talk) 16:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
The Perseus text makes it clear that the wife was initially innocent, and far from her persuing a tryst with Eratosthenes, it was the other way around. The participles ἐπιτηρῶν meaning he was looking out for (the maid) and προσφέρων (applying, or here, sending) are both masculine. So Eratosthenes, who had seen the wife at Euphiletus' mother's funeral began looking out for her maid walking in the marketplace and after sending messages (by her to the wife) he corrupted her. A1jrj ( talk) 11:39, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
The quotations are vague here. [5] points to an whole article from Porter with 27 pages. [5] e for example is a direct quote and it ist not shown on which of these many pages it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.230.194.202 ( talk) 13:11, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 17 January 2023 and 28 April 2023. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Pkourk (
article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Ejohnson0118 ( talk) 03:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
I have removed this section, cited to Walter Woodburn Hyde (1918) "The Homicide Courts of Ancient Athens", as the source does not support the claims made and the connection to the actual topic of this article, the speech on the murder of Eratosthenes, seems to be WP:SYNTH. Specific points I have issue with include:
The judicial system of Ancient Greece was a unique one. Law and order in Ancient Greek times were not decided based on set laws of the state, but based on customs. Customs of which judges and officials will declare whether an act should be penalized or not.The source does not call this system unique, but rather that this practice was "like other primitive communities". At any rate, this is a description of the system in "early Athens", not the time of Demosthenes: "later ... codified law came into existence ... in the days of Draco" (i.e. several centuries before Demosthenes!)
In this stories particular case, the judicial system could seem hypocritical in its prosecution protocolthis isn't in the source, and is the kind of claim which absolutely needs to be cited and attributed.
in this case with Euphiletos, if he was to notify friends and or members of his community, before hand, as liable witnesses, then this case would be considered justifiable homicidesource says nothing about requiring witnesses
Caeciliusinhorto-public ( talk) 11:16, 25 April 2023 (UTC)