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"These techniques, refined via the use of computers and digital audio equipment, are now standard amongst producers of electronically-based music."
I've put a 'citation needed' tag after it. If it was worded: "This approach is in principal very similar to modern-day sampling, via the use of computers and digital instruments, a process so widespread that it is now used frequently in production of all kinds of music," it would be fine.
The way it's currently worded implies that this album influenced sampling. I'm not saying that it didn't, just that someone needs to find a good reliable quote that says it did, or else reword it so that it's merely highlighting the similarities. It's mainly the "are now standard" part - producers of "electronically-based music" actually don't often sample from live sessions at all. It does happen, but the main point here should be that the process on this record was essentially what we today call sampling. I hope that makes sense... 82.11.194.227 ( talk) 15:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
That's all I wanted to say. SmokeyTheFatCat 21:51, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
The duration of the separate tracks only adds up to 49:45 minutes, yet the entire duration of the album says 54:54. I've searched on other websites such as RateYourMusic ( https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/miles-davis/on-the-corner/) or Discogs ( https://www.discogs.com/es/Miles-Davis-On-The-Corner/master/51303) and the runtime is credited generally as 49:41 minutes (in both the track "Black Satin" appearing at 5:16 minutes instead of 5:20). Thought I should point that out. 201.212.149.170 ( talk) 01:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
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I have removed the followings links: Yahoo! Music (favorable) link and * Alternative Press link. I doubt very much they meet WP:SOURCES. Cdl obelix ( talk) 21:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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Should the current revision of this paragraph be revised to something closer to @ Acousmana:'s recent revision? Dan56 ( talk) 00:20, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Current/original paragraph:
"Davis was first introduced to Stockhausen's work in 1972 by collaborator Paul Buckmaster, and the trumpeter reportedly kept a cassette recording of the 1966–67 Hymnen composition in his Lamborghini sports car.[PopMatters source] Some concepts from Stockhausen that appealed to Davis included the electronic sound processing found in Hymnen and the 1966 piece Telemusik, and the development of musical structures by expanding and minimizing
processes based on preconceived principles—as featured in Plus-Minus and other Stockhausen works from the 1960s and early 1970s. [Gluck source]"
Dan56 (
talk) 16:46, 25 March 2017 (UTC)IMO, my original addition is more faithful to what Gluck outlined in his book (copied below). There's also no mention of Buckmaster, who Acousmana mentioned as a source in his revision. Dan56 ( talk) 00:20, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
"Davis had found at least two concepts of interest in Stockhausen's work: the electronic processing of sounds, present in Telemusik (1966) and Hmnen (1966-67), and formal structures created through rules-based expanding and subtracting processes, found in Plus-Minus and related works created between 1963 and 1974. Thus, the concept of layering, of adding and subtracting musicians and sounds, drawn from Stockhausen's compositional ideas provided a conceptual framework to construct gradually changing active participants and thus sound densities. This structure allowed Davis to square concepts of jazz performance, contemporary art music composition, and, as Veal points out, beat-driven dance music to create On the Corner."
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Gluck, pp. 107-8)
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"These techniques, refined via the use of computers and digital audio equipment, are now standard amongst producers of electronically-based music."
I've put a 'citation needed' tag after it. If it was worded: "This approach is in principal very similar to modern-day sampling, via the use of computers and digital instruments, a process so widespread that it is now used frequently in production of all kinds of music," it would be fine.
The way it's currently worded implies that this album influenced sampling. I'm not saying that it didn't, just that someone needs to find a good reliable quote that says it did, or else reword it so that it's merely highlighting the similarities. It's mainly the "are now standard" part - producers of "electronically-based music" actually don't often sample from live sessions at all. It does happen, but the main point here should be that the process on this record was essentially what we today call sampling. I hope that makes sense... 82.11.194.227 ( talk) 15:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
That's all I wanted to say. SmokeyTheFatCat 21:51, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
The duration of the separate tracks only adds up to 49:45 minutes, yet the entire duration of the album says 54:54. I've searched on other websites such as RateYourMusic ( https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/miles-davis/on-the-corner/) or Discogs ( https://www.discogs.com/es/Miles-Davis-On-The-Corner/master/51303) and the runtime is credited generally as 49:41 minutes (in both the track "Black Satin" appearing at 5:16 minutes instead of 5:20). Thought I should point that out. 201.212.149.170 ( talk) 01:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Image:Miles Davis on the corner.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 14:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the followings links: Yahoo! Music (favorable) link and * Alternative Press link. I doubt very much they meet WP:SOURCES. Cdl obelix ( talk) 21:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should the current revision of this paragraph be revised to something closer to @ Acousmana:'s recent revision? Dan56 ( talk) 00:20, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Current/original paragraph:
"Davis was first introduced to Stockhausen's work in 1972 by collaborator Paul Buckmaster, and the trumpeter reportedly kept a cassette recording of the 1966–67 Hymnen composition in his Lamborghini sports car.[PopMatters source] Some concepts from Stockhausen that appealed to Davis included the electronic sound processing found in Hymnen and the 1966 piece Telemusik, and the development of musical structures by expanding and minimizing
processes based on preconceived principles—as featured in Plus-Minus and other Stockhausen works from the 1960s and early 1970s. [Gluck source]"
Dan56 (
talk) 16:46, 25 March 2017 (UTC)IMO, my original addition is more faithful to what Gluck outlined in his book (copied below). There's also no mention of Buckmaster, who Acousmana mentioned as a source in his revision. Dan56 ( talk) 00:20, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
"Davis had found at least two concepts of interest in Stockhausen's work: the electronic processing of sounds, present in Telemusik (1966) and Hmnen (1966-67), and formal structures created through rules-based expanding and subtracting processes, found in Plus-Minus and related works created between 1963 and 1974. Thus, the concept of layering, of adding and subtracting musicians and sounds, drawn from Stockhausen's compositional ideas provided a conceptual framework to construct gradually changing active participants and thus sound densities. This structure allowed Davis to square concepts of jazz performance, contemporary art music composition, and, as Veal points out, beat-driven dance music to create On the Corner."
(
Gluck, pp. 107-8)
Dan56 (
talk) 00:21, 25 March 2017 (UTC)