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Who added it? What is it? and when is the artical going to be created? Jman8088 15:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Do not erase the definition of Omerta by Rick. He is a decendant of mafia members, and there are THREE references to the same thing.It may not be 100% a perfect defenetion it is a GERERALY ACCEPTED view of the topic. User:Jman8088 Dec. 27, 2006. 11:41
I understand your hesitation to The Pop. Ref., I'll regurally check it for vandilism or a massive influx of unneccisary references. Jman8088 15:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
It read:
In Popular Culture
The American metal band Lamb of God has a song by the title of "Omerta" (the lack of accent should be noted) that is about a break in "Omertà". The opening of the song contains a paraphrased version of Omertà.
"Omerta" was the title of episode 9 in series 3 of the TV show Millennium, which featured an executed mafioso found alive many years later, who remained silent on how he had survived.
Omerta is refered to in the Sopranos 6th season episode, "Johnny Cakes." It was brought up by Dr. Melfi's own psychiatrist, in reference to Tony Soprano remaining silent after being shot by Junior Soprano. She ultimately stated she did not believe it was due to Omerta, but rather "something else."
I think this should really be brought back, minus the lamb of god reference.
67.86.77.111
05:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
The pop culture section is back. Do not erase it. The LoG reference stands. They are a grammy-nominated band, and, therefore, reputable band. JMan8088 21:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. DChase1 00:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Popular Culture once again added. DO NOT DELETE IT. -- 67.8.177.219 23:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Popular Culture added, with links. Please do not delete. -- 173.64.90.216 ( talk) 20:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Agreed The "Lamb of god" reference weakens this article. Grammy award not withstanding, promoting popular culture here in this context is an abuse. Richardsidler ( talk) 14:51, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
It is a nonviolent resistance component of the criminal self-help that occurs as part of a resistance movement that rejects an authority for whatever reason.
The above sentence places this behavior in the context of similar human behavior such as POW's not talking to to their captors. The essence is not accepting an authority for whatever reason. Omertà differs from POW's not talking and other resistance to authority, but that is the class of human behavior it is a part of. WAS 4.250 ( talk) 19:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
The link on the main article that lists "Mafia Speak" as the target is incorrect.
http://www.madaboutbooks.com/CosaNostra/mafiaspeak.htm
this URL produces an error.
CasR2207 ( talk) 02:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Within Mafia culture, breaking the oath of omertà is punishable by death.
There's no citation to this quote.
Omertà is a popular attitude and code of honor, common in areas of southern Italy, such as Sicily, Calabria, and Campania, where criminal organizations like the Mafia, 'Ndrangheta, and Camorra are strong.
First of all, it's common knowledge that the mafia (especially Cosa Nostra) has been virtually fully dismantled. Most of who ever was alive from previous generations is either imprisoned or their hands are tied too tight. There's always some form of illegal drug trading going on in every country which is what 'Ndrangheta currently is or was in Italy in the previous decade or so. This is not associated with Cosa Nostra though. In fact, if Costa Nostra had more than a mild sense of existence, they'd be rivals. This quote gives off the wrong vibe in that Italian citizen's would live according to underground organizations. It'd be like an American acting a specific way because of drug dealers. While it is impacting in certain areas (and arguably much more than in Italy & Europe), it has no cultural impact on people's psychological structure. There's no source that supports this is how Italian's think though. And from my personal experience with those in southern Italy, I haven't experienced this. Tom Nyj0127 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC).
An IP jumping anon has been repeatedly rolling back the article to a version of the article dated 26 June 2008 with no reason provided for wiping out over 100 intermediate edits (see diff showing relationship between IPs version and out-dated version). The vandalism has been undone by multiple other editors.
For reference, here's the diff showing to the current version, demonstrating the number of edits being wiped out. At least one IP has already been blocked, and returned to the vandalism once their one-week block expired.
I am guessing the roll-back is either related to a desire to restore the "Popular culture", or to restore the larger list of {{ for}} tags at the top. Either way, those references that are notable and which are not unsourced original research are now listed at Omerta (disambiguation), so those sections are no longer relevant. --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 21:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
You might as well just lock it for a year because we'll probably just change it on February 1st. -thefoundation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.250.200 ( talk) 06:14, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
& there is Masaduma of the Dönmeh people of Turkey... Böri ( talk) 17:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
The line "In Sicily, the phenomenon of pentito broke omertà." does not make sense. I can't even discern what it is trying to say. Somebody with insight into the intent should fix this line. Bcworkz ( talk) 09:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Omertà has been used to refer to a code of silence among professional cyclists with respect to doping with performance enhancing drugs. Certainly used as early as 1990, in Paul Kimmage's Rough Ride, and still today. The term has been prevalent in recent coverage of Lance Armstrong conceding his fight against doping charges, as well as the slightly less recent cases of now admitted dopers Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.162.33.11 ( talk) 10:22, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
This insistence on calling mainland groups "Mafia-type" is complete nonsense. There is only one Mafia in Italy and that is in Sicily, and the mainland groups are run in a completely different way. There is no valid comparison between the two. Comparing Sicilian Mafia to the American Mafia is one thing, since Italian-American families in the US are overwhelmingly of Sicilian descent. But mainland groups? This is conflating the issues and promoting Italian state propaganda and prejudice. It is absolutely not NPOV. Laval ( talk) 11:19, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I can understand that the omertà might be derived from a refusal to accept a governement's rule or some sovereignty violation. But I cannot believe that there isn't even a paragraph that explains this phenomenon as a way for the strongest to keep the weakest in submission. Thanks to this method of keeping the law at bay, the weak have no other choice than to accept any abuse or to demand for reparation in exchange for favours or money. Through the existence of omertà, the strongest can be assured that the Jungle law will be preserved, which is the best system for the strong to thrive in. And I feel that this rhetoric is nowhere to be seen in this article.
I will try to incorporate this view if I find the time and a good article on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinekonata ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
"Code of honor" is a value-laden term. "Code of silence" or "code of behavior" seems more neutral and appropriate. I can appreciate, in the abstract, the idea that Omertà preaches self-reliance. But that is not the same thing as honor. In the context of criminal organizations, it seems a bit out of place to refer to a code of honor. I would apply the same criticism to the concept of honor among Yakuza organizations -- another criminal group which, in popular culture, is though to practice a code of honor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.213.152.162 ( talk) 05:39, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
This page either needs to be archived, or drastically rewritten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.228.32.40 ( talk • contribs) 11:43, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
I see that this word isn't consistently italicized in the article. Or is it not supposed to be italicized? -- UltimateKuriboh ( talk) 15:15, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Is this not related to Jesuit practice and the Christian injunction not to settle disputes in court? This article requires a complete rewrite 86.29.30.198 ( talk) 18:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
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Who added it? What is it? and when is the artical going to be created? Jman8088 15:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Do not erase the definition of Omerta by Rick. He is a decendant of mafia members, and there are THREE references to the same thing.It may not be 100% a perfect defenetion it is a GERERALY ACCEPTED view of the topic. User:Jman8088 Dec. 27, 2006. 11:41
I understand your hesitation to The Pop. Ref., I'll regurally check it for vandilism or a massive influx of unneccisary references. Jman8088 15:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
It read:
In Popular Culture
The American metal band Lamb of God has a song by the title of "Omerta" (the lack of accent should be noted) that is about a break in "Omertà". The opening of the song contains a paraphrased version of Omertà.
"Omerta" was the title of episode 9 in series 3 of the TV show Millennium, which featured an executed mafioso found alive many years later, who remained silent on how he had survived.
Omerta is refered to in the Sopranos 6th season episode, "Johnny Cakes." It was brought up by Dr. Melfi's own psychiatrist, in reference to Tony Soprano remaining silent after being shot by Junior Soprano. She ultimately stated she did not believe it was due to Omerta, but rather "something else."
I think this should really be brought back, minus the lamb of god reference.
67.86.77.111
05:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
The pop culture section is back. Do not erase it. The LoG reference stands. They are a grammy-nominated band, and, therefore, reputable band. JMan8088 21:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. DChase1 00:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Popular Culture once again added. DO NOT DELETE IT. -- 67.8.177.219 23:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Popular Culture added, with links. Please do not delete. -- 173.64.90.216 ( talk) 20:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Agreed The "Lamb of god" reference weakens this article. Grammy award not withstanding, promoting popular culture here in this context is an abuse. Richardsidler ( talk) 14:51, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
It is a nonviolent resistance component of the criminal self-help that occurs as part of a resistance movement that rejects an authority for whatever reason.
The above sentence places this behavior in the context of similar human behavior such as POW's not talking to to their captors. The essence is not accepting an authority for whatever reason. Omertà differs from POW's not talking and other resistance to authority, but that is the class of human behavior it is a part of. WAS 4.250 ( talk) 19:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
The link on the main article that lists "Mafia Speak" as the target is incorrect.
http://www.madaboutbooks.com/CosaNostra/mafiaspeak.htm
this URL produces an error.
CasR2207 ( talk) 02:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Within Mafia culture, breaking the oath of omertà is punishable by death.
There's no citation to this quote.
Omertà is a popular attitude and code of honor, common in areas of southern Italy, such as Sicily, Calabria, and Campania, where criminal organizations like the Mafia, 'Ndrangheta, and Camorra are strong.
First of all, it's common knowledge that the mafia (especially Cosa Nostra) has been virtually fully dismantled. Most of who ever was alive from previous generations is either imprisoned or their hands are tied too tight. There's always some form of illegal drug trading going on in every country which is what 'Ndrangheta currently is or was in Italy in the previous decade or so. This is not associated with Cosa Nostra though. In fact, if Costa Nostra had more than a mild sense of existence, they'd be rivals. This quote gives off the wrong vibe in that Italian citizen's would live according to underground organizations. It'd be like an American acting a specific way because of drug dealers. While it is impacting in certain areas (and arguably much more than in Italy & Europe), it has no cultural impact on people's psychological structure. There's no source that supports this is how Italian's think though. And from my personal experience with those in southern Italy, I haven't experienced this. Tom Nyj0127 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC).
An IP jumping anon has been repeatedly rolling back the article to a version of the article dated 26 June 2008 with no reason provided for wiping out over 100 intermediate edits (see diff showing relationship between IPs version and out-dated version). The vandalism has been undone by multiple other editors.
For reference, here's the diff showing to the current version, demonstrating the number of edits being wiped out. At least one IP has already been blocked, and returned to the vandalism once their one-week block expired.
I am guessing the roll-back is either related to a desire to restore the "Popular culture", or to restore the larger list of {{ for}} tags at the top. Either way, those references that are notable and which are not unsourced original research are now listed at Omerta (disambiguation), so those sections are no longer relevant. --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 21:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
You might as well just lock it for a year because we'll probably just change it on February 1st. -thefoundation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.250.200 ( talk) 06:14, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
& there is Masaduma of the Dönmeh people of Turkey... Böri ( talk) 17:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
The line "In Sicily, the phenomenon of pentito broke omertà." does not make sense. I can't even discern what it is trying to say. Somebody with insight into the intent should fix this line. Bcworkz ( talk) 09:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Omertà has been used to refer to a code of silence among professional cyclists with respect to doping with performance enhancing drugs. Certainly used as early as 1990, in Paul Kimmage's Rough Ride, and still today. The term has been prevalent in recent coverage of Lance Armstrong conceding his fight against doping charges, as well as the slightly less recent cases of now admitted dopers Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.162.33.11 ( talk) 10:22, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
This insistence on calling mainland groups "Mafia-type" is complete nonsense. There is only one Mafia in Italy and that is in Sicily, and the mainland groups are run in a completely different way. There is no valid comparison between the two. Comparing Sicilian Mafia to the American Mafia is one thing, since Italian-American families in the US are overwhelmingly of Sicilian descent. But mainland groups? This is conflating the issues and promoting Italian state propaganda and prejudice. It is absolutely not NPOV. Laval ( talk) 11:19, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I can understand that the omertà might be derived from a refusal to accept a governement's rule or some sovereignty violation. But I cannot believe that there isn't even a paragraph that explains this phenomenon as a way for the strongest to keep the weakest in submission. Thanks to this method of keeping the law at bay, the weak have no other choice than to accept any abuse or to demand for reparation in exchange for favours or money. Through the existence of omertà, the strongest can be assured that the Jungle law will be preserved, which is the best system for the strong to thrive in. And I feel that this rhetoric is nowhere to be seen in this article.
I will try to incorporate this view if I find the time and a good article on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinekonata ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
"Code of honor" is a value-laden term. "Code of silence" or "code of behavior" seems more neutral and appropriate. I can appreciate, in the abstract, the idea that Omertà preaches self-reliance. But that is not the same thing as honor. In the context of criminal organizations, it seems a bit out of place to refer to a code of honor. I would apply the same criticism to the concept of honor among Yakuza organizations -- another criminal group which, in popular culture, is though to practice a code of honor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.213.152.162 ( talk) 05:39, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
This page either needs to be archived, or drastically rewritten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.228.32.40 ( talk • contribs) 11:43, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
I see that this word isn't consistently italicized in the article. Or is it not supposed to be italicized? -- UltimateKuriboh ( talk) 15:15, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Is this not related to Jesuit practice and the Christian injunction not to settle disputes in court? This article requires a complete rewrite 86.29.30.198 ( talk) 18:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)