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thanks to the intervention of senior administrators, the vandalism and slander has finally ceased. barkleyparamus should get the point and not make wikipedia a soapbox.
Rumination 21:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
There are two sides to every story, and most certainly two sides to this man. Please don't call this slander, b/c it's truth. Again, I can prove it with documentation. If you let me post it to the site, I will. You may call this my soap box for complaints or whatever, but that's because in 4 years the legal system has not come to a conclusion. This is my only other alternative to broadcast truths about this individual. I ask that you do not take it away from me. I will post the supporting promissory note to this site, and then will you allow it to stay up here?
The case number is 04-12078 in New York. Anyone who wants to can look it up. This is real, and this is truth. you may say I'm whining and crying on this site, but if you performed work for months and did not get paid a large percentage of what was owed, you would be very upset as well. It would be inhuman not to be.
Think of all the people I may be able to help, by posting this information. Anyone who may conduct business with Omar in the future should know about his past that I had direct experience with.
For any questions, I can be reached at barkleyparamus@yahoo.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.191.246.3 ( talk • contribs) 21:18, 6 September 2006.
This is from Omar's wiki page..."Mr. Amanat was also recently the Founder, CEO and majority shareholder of Tradescape Corp, a financial technology firm that processed over 10% of NASDAQ's daily trading volume and was the largest electronic brokerage firm (by trading volume) in the United States when he sold it to E*Trade Financial in 2002 for consideration worth $280 million."
It makes me sick to know I was one of the traders generating all this volume and revenue, and that 4 years later I am still holding an unpaid promissory note for just under $26,000.
barkleyparamus@yahoo.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.191.246.3 ( talk • contribs) 21:24, 6 September 2006.
Barkleyparamus's allegations notwithstanding, this article is pretty poor in terms of its citing of sources. It makes some very specific unsourced claims ('named one of Wall Street's "Top Ten Most Influential Technologists"' -- when? who by?) and contains some biographical and business information that we would do well to source properly. Can anyone help with providing references? --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch\ talk 21:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
This article has been tagged for some time by editors and administrators who have noted the utter lack of reliable sources for the data presented. Per Wikipedia's verifiability standards, it is incumbent upon the writers of articles to cite reliable, published sources for the data presented; not upon the readers to go find that data. Since the article currently asserts its subject's notability based on data that cannot be verified within the article itself, it may be recommended for deletion at any time. RadioKirk ( u| t| c) 21:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
The last attempt was much better; this time, sources were included. The problem (and why it was deleted wholesale the moment I saw it) was it copied from those sources verbatim, in violation of Wiki copyright policy and, at least as importantly, US copyright law. The entry must be in the editors' own words; it must include phrases such as "accused of" (or it suggests a conviction where none exists, in violation of libel laws); and, it must include any equally reliably sourced rebuttal. RadioKirk ( u| t| c) 03:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
If I personally had a lawsuit against Omar Amanat for breach of contract in 1999 that I won can I make reference to it on the biography?
Locke and Keyes (
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Please stop removing my f...ing postings. They are cited facts. his article has nothing cited and bears no truths. If you leave his postings and my postings, then it doesn't violate your stupid NPOV policy..b/c it is fair and balanced. Is wikipedia on his payroll???? If so, watch out, he won't actually pay you?
The chief IP used by this user has been blocked for one month for violating US copyright law and non-negotiable Wikipedia policy by repeatedly inserting source material verbatim into a Wikipedia article. This is not about "truth", Mr. Paramus, this is about breaking the law. Further attempts to insert copyrighted material will result in blocks of any/all users involved and will be referred to the Wikimedia Foundation for potential action. RadioKirk ( u| t| c) 14:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Is there some reason that very real, and very truthful lawsuits cannot be mentioned here? This man is the subject of many lawsuits, why can this not be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.91.252.44 ( talk • contribs)
Vandal "omartruth" is attempting to make wikipedia a soapbox for personal vendetta using innaccurate data. Potentially libelous information. J araneo ( talk) 20:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)J Araneo
"Omartruth" is posting information in violation of NPOV such as "revenue targets were not met for the $180mln contingent consideration" when this has been the subject of previous discussions long settled by admins RadioKirk and Nick Boalch (currently on admin leave) Specifically there was a $1.5 Billion lawsuit filed by Mr Amanat where one side says the targets were met and the other not. Wikipedia is not the place to settle such controversies and is in violation of NPOV in any instance. He is engaged in an edit war in violation of the three edit rule. J araneo ( talk) 22:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)J araneo
Vandal "Omartruth" is continuing to engage in edit wars despite being warned by admin. Need intervention and his IP should be blocked from further edits J araneo ( talk) 04:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC) J araneo
Omar Amanat was never "the primary investor in Bridges TV." As a public lawsuit in New York State Supreme Court makes clear he pulled out in 2003 and never invested any money. In any event the edit was inconsistent with NPOV and is potentially libelous given the recent headline news regarding the murders at Bridges. Also the mention of the Etrade litigation is poorly sourced and inconsistent with NPOV and the subject of previous discussions long settled by admins RadioKirk and Nick Boalch (currently on admin leave) Specifically there was a $1.5 Billion lawsuit filed by Mr Amanat where one side says the targets were met and the other not. Wikipedia is not the place to settle such controversies and is in violation of NPOV in any instance. J araneo ( talk) 01:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
it seems that anonymous user with IP address 83.145.225.26 is trying to slander subject with unsourced material and is engaged in an edit war in violation of the 3 edit rule. please help Rumination ( talk) 01:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Rumination is attempting to destroy facts of a biographical nature that are available via publication and court records and have been validated by the parents of Omar Amanat.
Wikipedia is not a soapbox. There is no reliable, published source that states that he has two wives and this is slanderous if untrue. Even by the troll's own anonymous edits he has no source material other than a variety article, which only mentions one wife. Anonymous court records are purportedly available but not shown anywhere. Rumination ( talk) 11:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Court records are searchable on this matter on LexisNexis and Westlaw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.140.36.54 ( talk) 19:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
This anonymous user is now posting increasingly malevolent messages on Wikipedia. The harrassment started with unverified edits, which wikipedia admins have noted as violations of their policy, dissaproved of and deleted. But the postings are now escalating to giving highly personal details on other members of the subjects family, including names and locations of parents and siblings, and apparently unverified personal religious affiliations and visits to places of worship. Wikipedia admins continue disapprove and support the deletions, but the user continues to post these messages and there sems to be little wiki admins can do to prevent new postings. Rumination ( talk) 22:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Rumination has validated above that the family life references are accurate even as he communicates his distaste for accurate biographical references being included in a biographical article. He should realize that Wikipedia is not designed to be an autobiographical soapbox for the solicitation of business thru deception.
I requested a week's semi-protection of the article. It is clear that there are still disagreements on the detailed content of the article. Changes ought to be made on the basis of documentation, using this week as an opportunity to ensure neutral and appropriate content of the page. Charles Matthews ( talk) 16:00, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Reluctantly, I've semi-protected the talk header as well. BLP violations anywhere on wikipedia are a serious matter and cannot be treated lightly. If you wish to make an edit to the talk header or to the article, please create an account -- RegentsPark ( sticks and stones) 03:03, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
not sure why his educational information was deleted but I believe consistent with biographies of living people, it should be included. If any reason why let me know J araneo ( talk) 22:51, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
ok thanks. I added back in his educational information. I also added a link to Cybertrader founder Philip Berber who has a link on Wikipedia. I am adding a citation for subject's educational background momentarily. Hope this is acceptable. J araneo ( talk) 00:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC) Found a citation from one of the university's own webpages http://www.whartondc.com/article.html?aid=538. Checking if this is acceptable to add as a citation. J araneo ( talk) 00:52, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
I added the citation from the educational institution's own website pages in order to justify adding back in subject's educational information. This should qualify under Wikipedia:Reliable sources as an independent reliable source. J araneo ( talk) 08:22, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Since that page just posted details supplied by the invited speaker who is the subject of this article, it can be taken that the subject of this article claims credit for having launched Bridges TV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.185.27.108 ( talk) 02:13, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Omar Amanat has had the page at WhartonDC changed so as to eliminate the reference to his claiming credit for the launch of Bridges TV. The original page where the speaker Omar Amanat claimed credit in the launching of Bridges TV is still available via Google cache. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.166.135.45 ( talk) 16:46, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
I have added a PROD template, because there seems no way currently to bring the article up to standard, the references being brought forward being flawed and contested, and not obviously reliable even by quite low standards. If this PROD is contested, then we have to move to a serious application of WP:RS, line by line. Charles Matthews ( talk) 12:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
This "article" really ought to be considered for deletion as it seems to be a self-promotional fluff piece by Omar Amanat, his aliases, stand-ins and relatives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.140.36.66 ( talk) 16:50, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
The article is one of the oldest biographical articles on wikipedia and has been on the site since 2005/06. The information is properly sourced from reliable impartial 3rd party sources and noteworthy.. Your continuous anonymous edits are in violation of the 3 edit rule and not objective. 68.193.141.77 ( talk) 20:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
A simple search turns up all of these credible noteworthy sources about the subject. Wikipedia is not meant to be a sandbox for your personal gripes against the subject. Please cease anonymous continuous edits in violation of the 3 Edit rule and NPOV or we will seek page protection J araneo ( talk) 20:51, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
A simple search turns up links that have relied upon the representations of Omar Amanat and his aliases and stand-ins but are not shown to have been independently validated. Given the disputes over the representations made in this self-promotion piece and the lack of ability to achieve a NPOV, deletion of the "article" seems appropriate since Wikipedia should not be a self-promotional fluff marketing venue for Omar Amanat or anybody else.
Is there a listing of Omar Amanat as an executive producer in any of the actual film credits of the movies for which he has claimed credit on Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.140.32.38 ( talk) 20:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Has anyone recently verified whether or not the name of Omar Amanat is listed in the actual film credits on the DVD and video releases of the movies he is claiming credit for on Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.140.36.54 ( talk) 17:07, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
The article reports a total compensation number that includes 'contingent' compensation. Apparently, E*Trade had a subsequent dispute with Amanat and I'm wondering if the total compensation number ever became actuality. Comments, with reliable sources are welcome. -- RegentsPark ( sticks and stones) 15:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Given the lack of evidence about "contingent" compensation having been paid, the total compensation related to this acquisition which ended up in mutual claims of breach of contract leave in doubt the "total" compensation figure as well.
Omar Amanat, being a repeat contributor to this self-promoting item on Wikipedia, is of course free to try to submit documentary evidence to back up his claim about the amount of actual compensation paid by E*Trade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.99.29.112 ( talk) 15:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
The press releases at the time inluding the Wall Street Journal article and NY Times articles describing the acquisition including E*trade's own press release is to state that total consideration (consideration being the key word) was $276.2 million. Saying "Potential" AND "contingent" consideration is redundant. J araneo ( talk) 05:52, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
not sure why the continual edit wars are re-occurring over this long established article. One of the earlier articles on notable businessmen published on wikepedia.
J araneo ( talk) 05:52, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
There should be consideration to delete this article given the investigation into references for this "article" reveal the references to be based on self-promotional claims made by Omar Amanat but not verified independently. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.166.135.45 ( talk) 12:39, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
A blogger posted a purported letter from a film company that makes twilight films. The blogger slanderously interpreted the letter to call Mr. Amanat an imposter whereby the Letter itself makes no such claims. There is no confirmation from Summit as to whether the letter is real and moreover, the letter from Summit itself makes no such claim and only references that Mr Amanat is not "currently a director, officer etc" and cites an earlier letter regarding a charitable screening of twilight. To devote three paragraphs to this immaterial, not well sourced issue does not seem to be in the best interest of the reader. Mr. Amanat's response posted by another blogger is not cited so this is not consistent with NPOV. J araneo ( talk) 16:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Charles. Mr Amanat's legal letter response to Summit has also been published on another industry blog. http://industryhollywood.blogspot.com/2010/11/summit-shareholder-responds-to-execs.html which seems to be a less reliable source than Finke. Nonetheless, according to the letter it appears that there is a substantive dispute between the parties presumably over demands for bonuses by Summit Executives which were rebuffed by Mr. Amanat, and a claim of slander and defamation by Mr Amanat. Nonetheless, it is hard to see how the Nikke Finke article is a reliable source when, according to our own article on her, she appears to rely heavily on certain industry executives for her sources and is known for treating them favorably--which would potentially be a violation of NPOV if we cited a potentially biased source. While there is no evidence that these industry execs include Summit execs, I believe we should wait to see how this one plays out. If the letters are to be believed, it appears litigation is likely in which case we can revisit as it would likely be published in more reliable sources. J araneo ( talk) 01:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
We dealt with this previously in the discussion forum. There is no independently verifiable information that is cited to make it clear that he was a "spokesman" or an "investor" or that the relationship "floundered" by 2004. Open to a mutual resolution that is verifiable using reliable sources. J araneo ( talk) 23:33, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
“ | ... A State Supreme Court justice ultimately ruled that investor Omar S. Amanat owes $500,000 to the company, Bridges TV, a new network aimed at Muslims across North America. Amanat, the former chief executive officer of an Internet brokerage firm, was supposed to serve as president of the network and line up other investors. He and Bridges TV founder Muzzammil S. Hassan were the key spokesmen for the company in its early phase nearly two years ago, when the network was seeking investors and early subscribers. But the relationship disintegrated at some point. Hassan said in court papers that Amanat never delivered on a pledge to provide the network with $500,000 in working capital. Hassan and Bridges TV won a default judgment for that amount last month... | ” |
Fair enough. However, while the article cites the original default judgement, a subsequent ruling by the same supreme court justice ruled that the $500,000 judgement was vacated because Muzzammil Hassan never gave notice to Amanat that he was suing although claimed he had. Moreover, given that this is a stub article your proposed edit seems to be a disproportionately large amount of information to include for a relatively minor chapter in the subject's life that lasted less than a year and "disintegrated". Finally, we discussed this earlier on the discussion page, but saying the words "alongside Bridges TV Founder Muzzammil Hassan" would also imply that every venture that subject was involved in would entail naming who he worked "alongside" i.e he produced Darfur Now alongside George Clooney, or The Visitor alongside Ebay Co-Founder Jeff Skoll or "Smart People" alongside Sarah Jessica Parker" Seems superfluous. I would suggest a compromise by adding a verifiable and readily accessible articles and broadening the theme to be more notable. "He was involved in launching several media ventures including Bridges TV, the U.N.'s Alliance of Civilizations Media Fund and Groundswell Productions http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/events/2008/0216_islamic_world/0216_islamic_world_proceedings.pdf If you think something like this makes sense to make the point more broadly. J araneo ( talk) 04:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to include details about Tradescape such as "Tradescape is reported to have processed 7% of NASDAQ's daily trading volume and was named one of the "Top 50 Private Companies in the United States" with annual revenues of $250 million. [4]"? It seems off-topic to me. The dollar amount that it sold for to E*TRADE should be enough details, in my opinion. Jesanj ( talk) 22:40, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Good point. Including that much information about Tradescape may not be neccessary since it is not directly about the subject.. but we should probably consider adding other notable information such as subject being named "Top 500 Most Influential Muslims in the World by Georgetown University" http://www.rissc.jo/docs/muslim500-1M-lowres3.pdf or Top 10 Muslim Americans by Islamica Magazine. http://islamicamagazine.com/?p=722 or he was voted "Top Ten Most Influential Technologists" on Wall Street http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=430125&privcapId=40485923&previousCapId=639098&previousTitle=Cooperative%20for%20Assistance%20and%20Relief%20Everywhere,%20Inc. as well as the above noted Brooking information. J araneo ( talk) 04:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I haven't read the source, but what is "surviving" 9/11. Was he wounded? Seriously? Critically? I keep seeing fluff pop up in this article. Why? Jesanj ( talk) 20:06, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
This article was recently published in the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3132778/GIRL-TOWN-Naomi-nobbles-gatecrasher-45th-birthday-bash.html
Perhaps this text can be included in the article:
According to the Daily Mail, in June of 2015, Omar Amanat arrived, apparently uninvited, to Naomi Campbell's party. Reportedly, Amanat was asked to leave, at which point he tried to ban Campbell for life from the Aman Resort chain. A spokesman from Aman Resorts commented: ‘Mr Amanat is not a representative. We very much look forward to welcoming Naomi’s continued patronage.’
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Hi all,
I'm a new Wikipedia editor, so excuse me if this is out of line, but this page seems to have a very prominent COI editor in "J araneo" damaging the value of the page. Specifically, I'm not sure why this editor feels the need to make the out-of-date claim that Amanat is still the Chairman of Aman Resorts, when this has not been the case since 2014. Aman's Leadership page at https://www.aman.com/leadership will confirm that Vladislav Doronin is now the Chairman. In addition, I agree with the recent IP editor's assessment that the current version of the page contains far too much detail into the legal battle over Aman Resorts and is in violation of WP:UNDUE.
A look at J araneo's list of contributions makes it clear that he is a one-issue editor who has almost exclusively been editing this page and other related pages since he joined in December 2005. In addition, he admitted a relationship to Amanat's MarketXT company in his here. Isn't this the type of COI editor who is strongly discouraged and/or banned from editing the page? I am now returning the page to the way it was before J Areneo reverted those previous edits. Jeremy Harrison ( talk) 11:05, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi all,
I just did some extensive research looking for a recent mention of Amanat as the chairman of Aman Resorts, and there is not one mention in a long list of recent articles about Amanat (see below). There is one article that directly states, referring to Amanat and a "Russian-born real estate developer (Vladislav Doronin):"While the pair started as co-investors, they wound up as rivals, battling in courts in the U.K. and U.S. for control, which Amanat lost." [1]
This source is more recent than the source that is being used to make the outdated claim that Amanat is the chairman. He is no longer the chairman, so please do not put this incorrect information back on the Wiki. Here are some of the other articles from as recent as May, 2017, which describes in detail what Amanat has been up to recently, and none of it includes being chairman of Aman Resorts. Editors coming across this discussion are welcome to use the following sources to put together a more accurate and up to date discussion of Omar Amanat on the article space.
[http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/how-big-was-influence-of-huma-abedins-family/ How big was influence of Huma Abedin's family?: World Net Daily]
New Arrest in Fraud Probe of Bankrupt Video Tech Firm: Fortune
Amanat Arrested on fraud charges: Page Six
New York entrepreneur Amanat indicted for fraud scheme: Reuters
Omar Amanat can’t afford to make bail: Page Six
The Mystery Behind Wall Street’s Wildest Party: Fortune
--- Jeremy Harrison ( talk) 07:38, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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thanks to the intervention of senior administrators, the vandalism and slander has finally ceased. barkleyparamus should get the point and not make wikipedia a soapbox.
Rumination 21:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
There are two sides to every story, and most certainly two sides to this man. Please don't call this slander, b/c it's truth. Again, I can prove it with documentation. If you let me post it to the site, I will. You may call this my soap box for complaints or whatever, but that's because in 4 years the legal system has not come to a conclusion. This is my only other alternative to broadcast truths about this individual. I ask that you do not take it away from me. I will post the supporting promissory note to this site, and then will you allow it to stay up here?
The case number is 04-12078 in New York. Anyone who wants to can look it up. This is real, and this is truth. you may say I'm whining and crying on this site, but if you performed work for months and did not get paid a large percentage of what was owed, you would be very upset as well. It would be inhuman not to be.
Think of all the people I may be able to help, by posting this information. Anyone who may conduct business with Omar in the future should know about his past that I had direct experience with.
For any questions, I can be reached at barkleyparamus@yahoo.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.191.246.3 ( talk • contribs) 21:18, 6 September 2006.
This is from Omar's wiki page..."Mr. Amanat was also recently the Founder, CEO and majority shareholder of Tradescape Corp, a financial technology firm that processed over 10% of NASDAQ's daily trading volume and was the largest electronic brokerage firm (by trading volume) in the United States when he sold it to E*Trade Financial in 2002 for consideration worth $280 million."
It makes me sick to know I was one of the traders generating all this volume and revenue, and that 4 years later I am still holding an unpaid promissory note for just under $26,000.
barkleyparamus@yahoo.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.191.246.3 ( talk • contribs) 21:24, 6 September 2006.
Barkleyparamus's allegations notwithstanding, this article is pretty poor in terms of its citing of sources. It makes some very specific unsourced claims ('named one of Wall Street's "Top Ten Most Influential Technologists"' -- when? who by?) and contains some biographical and business information that we would do well to source properly. Can anyone help with providing references? --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch\ talk 21:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
This article has been tagged for some time by editors and administrators who have noted the utter lack of reliable sources for the data presented. Per Wikipedia's verifiability standards, it is incumbent upon the writers of articles to cite reliable, published sources for the data presented; not upon the readers to go find that data. Since the article currently asserts its subject's notability based on data that cannot be verified within the article itself, it may be recommended for deletion at any time. RadioKirk ( u| t| c) 21:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
The last attempt was much better; this time, sources were included. The problem (and why it was deleted wholesale the moment I saw it) was it copied from those sources verbatim, in violation of Wiki copyright policy and, at least as importantly, US copyright law. The entry must be in the editors' own words; it must include phrases such as "accused of" (or it suggests a conviction where none exists, in violation of libel laws); and, it must include any equally reliably sourced rebuttal. RadioKirk ( u| t| c) 03:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
If I personally had a lawsuit against Omar Amanat for breach of contract in 1999 that I won can I make reference to it on the biography?
Locke and Keyes (
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19:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Please stop removing my f...ing postings. They are cited facts. his article has nothing cited and bears no truths. If you leave his postings and my postings, then it doesn't violate your stupid NPOV policy..b/c it is fair and balanced. Is wikipedia on his payroll???? If so, watch out, he won't actually pay you?
The chief IP used by this user has been blocked for one month for violating US copyright law and non-negotiable Wikipedia policy by repeatedly inserting source material verbatim into a Wikipedia article. This is not about "truth", Mr. Paramus, this is about breaking the law. Further attempts to insert copyrighted material will result in blocks of any/all users involved and will be referred to the Wikimedia Foundation for potential action. RadioKirk ( u| t| c) 14:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Is there some reason that very real, and very truthful lawsuits cannot be mentioned here? This man is the subject of many lawsuits, why can this not be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.91.252.44 ( talk • contribs)
Vandal "omartruth" is attempting to make wikipedia a soapbox for personal vendetta using innaccurate data. Potentially libelous information. J araneo ( talk) 20:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)J Araneo
"Omartruth" is posting information in violation of NPOV such as "revenue targets were not met for the $180mln contingent consideration" when this has been the subject of previous discussions long settled by admins RadioKirk and Nick Boalch (currently on admin leave) Specifically there was a $1.5 Billion lawsuit filed by Mr Amanat where one side says the targets were met and the other not. Wikipedia is not the place to settle such controversies and is in violation of NPOV in any instance. He is engaged in an edit war in violation of the three edit rule. J araneo ( talk) 22:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)J araneo
Vandal "Omartruth" is continuing to engage in edit wars despite being warned by admin. Need intervention and his IP should be blocked from further edits J araneo ( talk) 04:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC) J araneo
Omar Amanat was never "the primary investor in Bridges TV." As a public lawsuit in New York State Supreme Court makes clear he pulled out in 2003 and never invested any money. In any event the edit was inconsistent with NPOV and is potentially libelous given the recent headline news regarding the murders at Bridges. Also the mention of the Etrade litigation is poorly sourced and inconsistent with NPOV and the subject of previous discussions long settled by admins RadioKirk and Nick Boalch (currently on admin leave) Specifically there was a $1.5 Billion lawsuit filed by Mr Amanat where one side says the targets were met and the other not. Wikipedia is not the place to settle such controversies and is in violation of NPOV in any instance. J araneo ( talk) 01:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
it seems that anonymous user with IP address 83.145.225.26 is trying to slander subject with unsourced material and is engaged in an edit war in violation of the 3 edit rule. please help Rumination ( talk) 01:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Rumination is attempting to destroy facts of a biographical nature that are available via publication and court records and have been validated by the parents of Omar Amanat.
Wikipedia is not a soapbox. There is no reliable, published source that states that he has two wives and this is slanderous if untrue. Even by the troll's own anonymous edits he has no source material other than a variety article, which only mentions one wife. Anonymous court records are purportedly available but not shown anywhere. Rumination ( talk) 11:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Court records are searchable on this matter on LexisNexis and Westlaw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.140.36.54 ( talk) 19:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
This anonymous user is now posting increasingly malevolent messages on Wikipedia. The harrassment started with unverified edits, which wikipedia admins have noted as violations of their policy, dissaproved of and deleted. But the postings are now escalating to giving highly personal details on other members of the subjects family, including names and locations of parents and siblings, and apparently unverified personal religious affiliations and visits to places of worship. Wikipedia admins continue disapprove and support the deletions, but the user continues to post these messages and there sems to be little wiki admins can do to prevent new postings. Rumination ( talk) 22:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Rumination has validated above that the family life references are accurate even as he communicates his distaste for accurate biographical references being included in a biographical article. He should realize that Wikipedia is not designed to be an autobiographical soapbox for the solicitation of business thru deception.
I requested a week's semi-protection of the article. It is clear that there are still disagreements on the detailed content of the article. Changes ought to be made on the basis of documentation, using this week as an opportunity to ensure neutral and appropriate content of the page. Charles Matthews ( talk) 16:00, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Reluctantly, I've semi-protected the talk header as well. BLP violations anywhere on wikipedia are a serious matter and cannot be treated lightly. If you wish to make an edit to the talk header or to the article, please create an account -- RegentsPark ( sticks and stones) 03:03, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
not sure why his educational information was deleted but I believe consistent with biographies of living people, it should be included. If any reason why let me know J araneo ( talk) 22:51, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
ok thanks. I added back in his educational information. I also added a link to Cybertrader founder Philip Berber who has a link on Wikipedia. I am adding a citation for subject's educational background momentarily. Hope this is acceptable. J araneo ( talk) 00:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC) Found a citation from one of the university's own webpages http://www.whartondc.com/article.html?aid=538. Checking if this is acceptable to add as a citation. J araneo ( talk) 00:52, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
I added the citation from the educational institution's own website pages in order to justify adding back in subject's educational information. This should qualify under Wikipedia:Reliable sources as an independent reliable source. J araneo ( talk) 08:22, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Since that page just posted details supplied by the invited speaker who is the subject of this article, it can be taken that the subject of this article claims credit for having launched Bridges TV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.185.27.108 ( talk) 02:13, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Omar Amanat has had the page at WhartonDC changed so as to eliminate the reference to his claiming credit for the launch of Bridges TV. The original page where the speaker Omar Amanat claimed credit in the launching of Bridges TV is still available via Google cache. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.166.135.45 ( talk) 16:46, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
I have added a PROD template, because there seems no way currently to bring the article up to standard, the references being brought forward being flawed and contested, and not obviously reliable even by quite low standards. If this PROD is contested, then we have to move to a serious application of WP:RS, line by line. Charles Matthews ( talk) 12:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
This "article" really ought to be considered for deletion as it seems to be a self-promotional fluff piece by Omar Amanat, his aliases, stand-ins and relatives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.140.36.66 ( talk) 16:50, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
The article is one of the oldest biographical articles on wikipedia and has been on the site since 2005/06. The information is properly sourced from reliable impartial 3rd party sources and noteworthy.. Your continuous anonymous edits are in violation of the 3 edit rule and not objective. 68.193.141.77 ( talk) 20:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
A simple search turns up all of these credible noteworthy sources about the subject. Wikipedia is not meant to be a sandbox for your personal gripes against the subject. Please cease anonymous continuous edits in violation of the 3 Edit rule and NPOV or we will seek page protection J araneo ( talk) 20:51, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
A simple search turns up links that have relied upon the representations of Omar Amanat and his aliases and stand-ins but are not shown to have been independently validated. Given the disputes over the representations made in this self-promotion piece and the lack of ability to achieve a NPOV, deletion of the "article" seems appropriate since Wikipedia should not be a self-promotional fluff marketing venue for Omar Amanat or anybody else.
Is there a listing of Omar Amanat as an executive producer in any of the actual film credits of the movies for which he has claimed credit on Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.140.32.38 ( talk) 20:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Has anyone recently verified whether or not the name of Omar Amanat is listed in the actual film credits on the DVD and video releases of the movies he is claiming credit for on Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.140.36.54 ( talk) 17:07, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
The article reports a total compensation number that includes 'contingent' compensation. Apparently, E*Trade had a subsequent dispute with Amanat and I'm wondering if the total compensation number ever became actuality. Comments, with reliable sources are welcome. -- RegentsPark ( sticks and stones) 15:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Given the lack of evidence about "contingent" compensation having been paid, the total compensation related to this acquisition which ended up in mutual claims of breach of contract leave in doubt the "total" compensation figure as well.
Omar Amanat, being a repeat contributor to this self-promoting item on Wikipedia, is of course free to try to submit documentary evidence to back up his claim about the amount of actual compensation paid by E*Trade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.99.29.112 ( talk) 15:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
The press releases at the time inluding the Wall Street Journal article and NY Times articles describing the acquisition including E*trade's own press release is to state that total consideration (consideration being the key word) was $276.2 million. Saying "Potential" AND "contingent" consideration is redundant. J araneo ( talk) 05:52, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
not sure why the continual edit wars are re-occurring over this long established article. One of the earlier articles on notable businessmen published on wikepedia.
J araneo ( talk) 05:52, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
There should be consideration to delete this article given the investigation into references for this "article" reveal the references to be based on self-promotional claims made by Omar Amanat but not verified independently. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.166.135.45 ( talk) 12:39, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
A blogger posted a purported letter from a film company that makes twilight films. The blogger slanderously interpreted the letter to call Mr. Amanat an imposter whereby the Letter itself makes no such claims. There is no confirmation from Summit as to whether the letter is real and moreover, the letter from Summit itself makes no such claim and only references that Mr Amanat is not "currently a director, officer etc" and cites an earlier letter regarding a charitable screening of twilight. To devote three paragraphs to this immaterial, not well sourced issue does not seem to be in the best interest of the reader. Mr. Amanat's response posted by another blogger is not cited so this is not consistent with NPOV. J araneo ( talk) 16:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Charles. Mr Amanat's legal letter response to Summit has also been published on another industry blog. http://industryhollywood.blogspot.com/2010/11/summit-shareholder-responds-to-execs.html which seems to be a less reliable source than Finke. Nonetheless, according to the letter it appears that there is a substantive dispute between the parties presumably over demands for bonuses by Summit Executives which were rebuffed by Mr. Amanat, and a claim of slander and defamation by Mr Amanat. Nonetheless, it is hard to see how the Nikke Finke article is a reliable source when, according to our own article on her, she appears to rely heavily on certain industry executives for her sources and is known for treating them favorably--which would potentially be a violation of NPOV if we cited a potentially biased source. While there is no evidence that these industry execs include Summit execs, I believe we should wait to see how this one plays out. If the letters are to be believed, it appears litigation is likely in which case we can revisit as it would likely be published in more reliable sources. J araneo ( talk) 01:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
We dealt with this previously in the discussion forum. There is no independently verifiable information that is cited to make it clear that he was a "spokesman" or an "investor" or that the relationship "floundered" by 2004. Open to a mutual resolution that is verifiable using reliable sources. J araneo ( talk) 23:33, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
“ | ... A State Supreme Court justice ultimately ruled that investor Omar S. Amanat owes $500,000 to the company, Bridges TV, a new network aimed at Muslims across North America. Amanat, the former chief executive officer of an Internet brokerage firm, was supposed to serve as president of the network and line up other investors. He and Bridges TV founder Muzzammil S. Hassan were the key spokesmen for the company in its early phase nearly two years ago, when the network was seeking investors and early subscribers. But the relationship disintegrated at some point. Hassan said in court papers that Amanat never delivered on a pledge to provide the network with $500,000 in working capital. Hassan and Bridges TV won a default judgment for that amount last month... | ” |
Fair enough. However, while the article cites the original default judgement, a subsequent ruling by the same supreme court justice ruled that the $500,000 judgement was vacated because Muzzammil Hassan never gave notice to Amanat that he was suing although claimed he had. Moreover, given that this is a stub article your proposed edit seems to be a disproportionately large amount of information to include for a relatively minor chapter in the subject's life that lasted less than a year and "disintegrated". Finally, we discussed this earlier on the discussion page, but saying the words "alongside Bridges TV Founder Muzzammil Hassan" would also imply that every venture that subject was involved in would entail naming who he worked "alongside" i.e he produced Darfur Now alongside George Clooney, or The Visitor alongside Ebay Co-Founder Jeff Skoll or "Smart People" alongside Sarah Jessica Parker" Seems superfluous. I would suggest a compromise by adding a verifiable and readily accessible articles and broadening the theme to be more notable. "He was involved in launching several media ventures including Bridges TV, the U.N.'s Alliance of Civilizations Media Fund and Groundswell Productions http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/events/2008/0216_islamic_world/0216_islamic_world_proceedings.pdf If you think something like this makes sense to make the point more broadly. J araneo ( talk) 04:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to include details about Tradescape such as "Tradescape is reported to have processed 7% of NASDAQ's daily trading volume and was named one of the "Top 50 Private Companies in the United States" with annual revenues of $250 million. [4]"? It seems off-topic to me. The dollar amount that it sold for to E*TRADE should be enough details, in my opinion. Jesanj ( talk) 22:40, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Good point. Including that much information about Tradescape may not be neccessary since it is not directly about the subject.. but we should probably consider adding other notable information such as subject being named "Top 500 Most Influential Muslims in the World by Georgetown University" http://www.rissc.jo/docs/muslim500-1M-lowres3.pdf or Top 10 Muslim Americans by Islamica Magazine. http://islamicamagazine.com/?p=722 or he was voted "Top Ten Most Influential Technologists" on Wall Street http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=430125&privcapId=40485923&previousCapId=639098&previousTitle=Cooperative%20for%20Assistance%20and%20Relief%20Everywhere,%20Inc. as well as the above noted Brooking information. J araneo ( talk) 04:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I haven't read the source, but what is "surviving" 9/11. Was he wounded? Seriously? Critically? I keep seeing fluff pop up in this article. Why? Jesanj ( talk) 20:06, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
This article was recently published in the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3132778/GIRL-TOWN-Naomi-nobbles-gatecrasher-45th-birthday-bash.html
Perhaps this text can be included in the article:
According to the Daily Mail, in June of 2015, Omar Amanat arrived, apparently uninvited, to Naomi Campbell's party. Reportedly, Amanat was asked to leave, at which point he tried to ban Campbell for life from the Aman Resort chain. A spokesman from Aman Resorts commented: ‘Mr Amanat is not a representative. We very much look forward to welcoming Naomi’s continued patronage.’
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Hi all,
I'm a new Wikipedia editor, so excuse me if this is out of line, but this page seems to have a very prominent COI editor in "J araneo" damaging the value of the page. Specifically, I'm not sure why this editor feels the need to make the out-of-date claim that Amanat is still the Chairman of Aman Resorts, when this has not been the case since 2014. Aman's Leadership page at https://www.aman.com/leadership will confirm that Vladislav Doronin is now the Chairman. In addition, I agree with the recent IP editor's assessment that the current version of the page contains far too much detail into the legal battle over Aman Resorts and is in violation of WP:UNDUE.
A look at J araneo's list of contributions makes it clear that he is a one-issue editor who has almost exclusively been editing this page and other related pages since he joined in December 2005. In addition, he admitted a relationship to Amanat's MarketXT company in his here. Isn't this the type of COI editor who is strongly discouraged and/or banned from editing the page? I am now returning the page to the way it was before J Areneo reverted those previous edits. Jeremy Harrison ( talk) 11:05, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi all,
I just did some extensive research looking for a recent mention of Amanat as the chairman of Aman Resorts, and there is not one mention in a long list of recent articles about Amanat (see below). There is one article that directly states, referring to Amanat and a "Russian-born real estate developer (Vladislav Doronin):"While the pair started as co-investors, they wound up as rivals, battling in courts in the U.K. and U.S. for control, which Amanat lost." [1]
This source is more recent than the source that is being used to make the outdated claim that Amanat is the chairman. He is no longer the chairman, so please do not put this incorrect information back on the Wiki. Here are some of the other articles from as recent as May, 2017, which describes in detail what Amanat has been up to recently, and none of it includes being chairman of Aman Resorts. Editors coming across this discussion are welcome to use the following sources to put together a more accurate and up to date discussion of Omar Amanat on the article space.
[http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/how-big-was-influence-of-huma-abedins-family/ How big was influence of Huma Abedin's family?: World Net Daily]
New Arrest in Fraud Probe of Bankrupt Video Tech Firm: Fortune
Amanat Arrested on fraud charges: Page Six
New York entrepreneur Amanat indicted for fraud scheme: Reuters
Omar Amanat can’t afford to make bail: Page Six
The Mystery Behind Wall Street’s Wildest Party: Fortune
--- Jeremy Harrison ( talk) 07:38, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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