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This article states as fact, without citing sources, information about the start of the year which is identified as conjecture at Attic calendar. If this is actually a known matter, please site your source and also make the correction there. -- Jmabel 00:22, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
Is there a source that the Olympic year before 432 BCE started at full moon? According the Wikipedia article about the Attic calendar, the year started at new moon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.176.83.19 ( talk) 19:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
" Timaeus of Eratothenes" changed anonymously without citation or edit summary to " Timaeus of Tauromenion". I have no idea what this is about: subtle vandalism or a correction? -- Jmabel | Talk 01:30, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
I was the one who changed it. I used the German spelling though, because I couldn't find any other. The English is Tauromenium (modern Taormina in Sicilly, see Oxf. Classical Dict.). I may try to add an article on Tauromenium now... Prater 13:02, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
When did this begin? My memory says it began with the Los Angeles Olympics, but I have no source to cite. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:27, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
The Attic Calendar article specifies that the intervening years belong to the Olympiad of the following games, while the Olympiad article specifies that they belong to that of the preceding games. Also, the Attic calendar article gives the first year of an Olympiad as being the year following the games, while the Olympiad article give the first year as the year of the games. The issue is critical to converting Greek dates to B.C. dates. The answer to this is important to me, though I have utterly no competence to comment on it. Aftermath 01:04, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
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Please read Herodotus and/or Pausanias. Both give a good deal of information about Olympiads, the victors in many cases, and when the Olympic games were held in coordination with the Olympiad itself. Polybius also deals in Olympiads, but I don't recall off the top of my head whether or not he mentions any of the games or victors, or whether he specifies the time of the games.
It is my understanding from Herodotus and Pausanias that the Olympic games coincided with the start of each new Olympiad and were, in fact, the landmark event occassioning each new period. (A. Frazier) 16 Jan 2006
"During the early years of the Olympiad, any physical benefit coming out of a sport was banned." What does this mean? - Jmabel | Talk 05:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article include the fact that Olympiad is what the actual games are still called in most other languages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.44.48.4 ( talk) 10:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Someone has written near the top of the page that "By extrapolation, the 1st year of the 700th Olympiad began (or will begin) around June 21, 2021." without any explanation or motivation. I suppose that this might be an error for "July 21, 2021.", but even so it is wrong by one day. The "First year of the 700th Olympiad" (or "Ol. 700.1") began on 22 July 2021 C.E. (11th day of the Attic month Hekatombaion). This reconstruction of the ancient date is based on the well-known assumptions that: 1) all the Hellenic months began - in principle - when the youngest Crescent New Moon was visible soon after sunset from Greece, 2) the classical Olympic games were held during five days around the Full Moon, from the 11th to the 15th day of the Hellenic lunar month, and, 3) this "Olympic" Full Moon was always the second Full Moon after the Summer Solstice. If someone knows better, please give a full motivation for the given date in June. /Erik Ljungstrand (Sweden)
to dig into the actual sources and important bits of the mess involved in the actual record. Especially see Pamela-Jane Shaw's Discrepancies in Olympiad Dating or as much as you can get in preview, anyway. — LlywelynII 10:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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This article states as fact, without citing sources, information about the start of the year which is identified as conjecture at Attic calendar. If this is actually a known matter, please site your source and also make the correction there. -- Jmabel 00:22, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
Is there a source that the Olympic year before 432 BCE started at full moon? According the Wikipedia article about the Attic calendar, the year started at new moon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.176.83.19 ( talk) 19:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
" Timaeus of Eratothenes" changed anonymously without citation or edit summary to " Timaeus of Tauromenion". I have no idea what this is about: subtle vandalism or a correction? -- Jmabel | Talk 01:30, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
I was the one who changed it. I used the German spelling though, because I couldn't find any other. The English is Tauromenium (modern Taormina in Sicilly, see Oxf. Classical Dict.). I may try to add an article on Tauromenium now... Prater 13:02, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
When did this begin? My memory says it began with the Los Angeles Olympics, but I have no source to cite. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:27, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
The Attic Calendar article specifies that the intervening years belong to the Olympiad of the following games, while the Olympiad article specifies that they belong to that of the preceding games. Also, the Attic calendar article gives the first year of an Olympiad as being the year following the games, while the Olympiad article give the first year as the year of the games. The issue is critical to converting Greek dates to B.C. dates. The answer to this is important to me, though I have utterly no competence to comment on it. Aftermath 01:04, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Reply:
Please read Herodotus and/or Pausanias. Both give a good deal of information about Olympiads, the victors in many cases, and when the Olympic games were held in coordination with the Olympiad itself. Polybius also deals in Olympiads, but I don't recall off the top of my head whether or not he mentions any of the games or victors, or whether he specifies the time of the games.
It is my understanding from Herodotus and Pausanias that the Olympic games coincided with the start of each new Olympiad and were, in fact, the landmark event occassioning each new period. (A. Frazier) 16 Jan 2006
"During the early years of the Olympiad, any physical benefit coming out of a sport was banned." What does this mean? - Jmabel | Talk 05:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article include the fact that Olympiad is what the actual games are still called in most other languages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.44.48.4 ( talk) 10:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Someone has written near the top of the page that "By extrapolation, the 1st year of the 700th Olympiad began (or will begin) around June 21, 2021." without any explanation or motivation. I suppose that this might be an error for "July 21, 2021.", but even so it is wrong by one day. The "First year of the 700th Olympiad" (or "Ol. 700.1") began on 22 July 2021 C.E. (11th day of the Attic month Hekatombaion). This reconstruction of the ancient date is based on the well-known assumptions that: 1) all the Hellenic months began - in principle - when the youngest Crescent New Moon was visible soon after sunset from Greece, 2) the classical Olympic games were held during five days around the Full Moon, from the 11th to the 15th day of the Hellenic lunar month, and, 3) this "Olympic" Full Moon was always the second Full Moon after the Summer Solstice. If someone knows better, please give a full motivation for the given date in June. /Erik Ljungstrand (Sweden)
to dig into the actual sources and important bits of the mess involved in the actual record. Especially see Pamela-Jane Shaw's Discrepancies in Olympiad Dating or as much as you can get in preview, anyway. — LlywelynII 10:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)