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Is there a reason somebody has added "primary source needed" to much of this article despite it not being appropriate or used correctly? 92.7.26.190 ( talk) 18:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
There is, however, a substantial literature demonstrating that Herman and Peterson "bends, misrepresents, and suppresses facts with abandon" on the Srebrenica genocide, which is the main reason for their dispute with Oliver Kamm, who has strongly criticised Herman and his followers on this issue for many years. The aricles on Identifying reliable sources advise us to guard against using sources outside the mainstream, which MRzine/Monthly Review, a publication with a reputation for defending Chinese Communism/Maoism, certainly is. I am aware that his and Chomsky's "Propaganda model" has a following of sorts outside the political fringe, which is why I described him in the edit summary as a "disreputable figure on immediately relevant issues".
Mondoweiss in many reliable sources is described as an anti-semitic hate site, and one of its founders Philip Weiss has defended the campaigner Gilad Atzmon, a figure who is identified as an anti-semite by mainstream commentators. Reliable sources, we are informed in the IRS policy document as those with editorial oversight, including fact checking, but the article by Theodore Sayeed is riddled with errors. The journalist Bruce Anderson is falsely described as a former editor of The Spectator, while Nick Cohen, David Aaronovitch and Norman Geras are identified as "former Trotskyists". It is true Geras was once a member of the International Marxist Group, effectively defunct since 1982, but Cohen has had no such affiliation, and in fact, Aaaronovitch was once a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain. Aaronovitch's memoir of his Communist family was published recently and has gained much coverage, but Sayeed claims in his MW profile to be a post-graduate biologist resident in London. Yet he makes his error in an article published on 19 February 2016. So much for fact checking from him and Mondoweiss.
The Guardian interview with Chomsky, Sayeed mentions was with Emma Brockes. Marrko Attila Hoare wrote "Chomsky's Genocidal Denial" (reprinted by FrontPage magazine, 23 November 2005) in defence of the accusation that Chomsky defended Diana Johnstone's book Fool's Crusade, and thus aligned himself with genocidal deniers. Sayeed writes as though there was some kind of unfair conspiracy against Chomsky among people then active in HJS, but the evidence is against him.
Kamm was once involved with HJS, but like Marko Attila Hoare severed his connections some years ago. There is actually a shortage of blue chip reliable third-party sources which we can cite mentioning his former involvement, so the notability of this former connection has not been demonstrated. It was mentioned at the end of the couple of articles Kamm himself wrote for The Guardian a decade ago, but those were the main reliable source when I investigated a year or so ago. I removed the former reference on the basis of lack of established notability. Philip Cross ( talk) 21:38, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Tariq Ali, Isabel Allende, G. D. H. Cole, W. E. B. Du Bois, Barbara Ehrenreich, Eric Hobsbawm, Saul Landau, Ralph Miliband, Adrienne Rich, Jean-Paul Sartre, E. P. Thompson, Immanuel Wallerstein, and Raymond Williams.
Who is the "himself" whom Kamm is accusing Chomsky of quoting selectively? I can't see the source at the moment, but it's not clear if it's a filter, connection problem or if the link is dead. From the context, I get the impression that Kamm is accusing Chomsky of quoting Kamm selectively, but grammatically it looks like Kamm is accusing Chomsky of quoting Chomsky selectively. Is it actually the former? And if so, would I be right in thinking the grammar here needs tweaking. Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 07:15, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
"Because of his position on war and terrorism, the commentator Peter Wilby asserted that Kamm is not actually left-wing at all"
This reads that it is Wilby's position. I suspect the writer meant Kamm's position.
I won't adjust it until I can discover what was actually meant. The ref. seems to have gone from the NS. Cannonmc ( talk) 03:25, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
The article reads like a CV. Keith-264 ( talk) 17:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
Legal Challenge
Neil Clarke, journalist and author, is suing Times blogger Oliver Kamm in the High Court for libel over comments made on his website, in a move understood to mark the first time such legal action has taken place. [1]. The writ is served at the High Court and on the public record. Neil Clarke said on his own website that; "I'm launching a crowd-funded legal action for libel and harassment against Oliver Kamm, The Times newspaper and Rupert Murdoch. [2]
Apparently this was summarily reverted due to no consensus. I add my support to its inclusion because it is cited to a newspaper, is demonstrably true, is significant for Kamm's professional standing and that there is precedent in the article for description of controversy. Keith-264 ( talk) 15:40, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
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Given that Neil Clark's case against Kamm is the only thing that makes Kamm in the least bit interesting, either the case should be mentioned or the page deleted. Bougatsa42 ( talk) 22:05, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
I have now reverted the contentious passage more than three times within the last 24 hours. Its inclusion has already led to this page being blocked to new or unregistered users for two days, so I feel I have not edited outside established policies. I refer other editors to WP:3RRNO, exemption #7, which would appear to be applicable here, and states: "Removing violations of the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy that contain libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced contentious material". Philip Cross ( talk) 10:17, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
IPs 46.208.188.159 and 46.208.175.215 (who are obviously from the same IP block and are quite possibly the same person) have now been reported as having together broken 3RR, see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. I have also raised the issue at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard as there is an obvious BLP violation in the addition of the contentious material. On both noticeboards, I have mentioned that I might be considered to have broken 3RR myself, but have referred to the exemption I mention above. Philip Cross ( talk) 11:10, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
My submissions to the first noticeboard on the two outbreaks of tendentious editing in the last week are now archived at: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive366 for those with an interest. I should point out to those reading in the future, that this article is now semi-protected until 5 June. I updated this article yesterday, adding some three-party sources. Philip Cross ( talk) 07:13, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
The BLP/N post I mention above, is now permanently archived at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive269#Oliver Kamm. Philip Cross ( talk) 06:20, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
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Prior to his career in journalism, Kamm worked as Head of Strategic Research for Commerzbank Securities during the time the bank was under investigation for corruption and European Equity Strategist for HSBC Securities. Bambaleo76 ( talk) 13:23, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
This was not a WP article, but somebody's essay about him, picking this column by him or that one to weave a story. That is not what we do here. Like a lot of pundits there are not a lot of sources that just describe him that we can summarize. Hm. Jytdog ( talk) 02:06, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
The claim that Oliver Kamm wrote a blog article entitled 'The Islamphobia' Scam" and in it he wrote:
"To that end, I note from Harry's Place that my comrades have been nominated by an absurd lobby calling itself the Islamic Human Rights Commission for an "Islamophobia" award (according to its organisers, "an annual event to acknowledge - through satire, revue and comedy - the worst Islamophobes of the year"). Other nominees in the UK include Tony Blair and Sky News. Sky's citation reads: "For being a prominent vehicle for anti Muslim propaganda, harboring [sic] bias in the [sic] every report and every question asked". I went on Sky News not long ago to debate a man called Asghar Bukhari of another grandiloquently named lobby group, the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, and can confirm that the presenter, Kay Burley, insisted on posing him loaded questions such as "what's your reply to that, Asghar?"
I was mildly surprised that the nominees did not include the political editor of the New Statesman, Martin Bright, for his important work in detailing the remarkably uncritical dialogue going on between the Foreign Office and Islamist groups. So I nominated him myself. I cannot claim to have done anything like the exhaustive work and analysis that he has done on this subject, but if any reader wishes to nominate me and I am successful, you can be sure I'll turn up to collect the award and express my reasons for pride in it."
is correctly sourced ( WP:ABOUTSELF) and fits all the criteria for relevancy ( WP:ROC). If you do not wish it to appear in the article please quote the exact Wikipedia guidelines that would be breached by including it. Here is a link to the blog https://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2006/10/the_islamophobi.html 83.218.151.178 ( talk) 13:34, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
"To that end, I note from Harry's Place that my comrades have been nominated by an absurd lobby calling itself the Islamic Human Rights Commission for an "Islamophobia" award (according to its organisers, "an annual event to acknowledge - through satire, revue and comedy - the worst Islamophobes of the year"). Other nominees in the UK include Tony Blair and Sky News. Sky's citation reads: "For being a prominent vehicle for anti Muslim propaganda, harboring [sic] bias in the [sic] every report and every question asked". I went on Sky News not long ago to debate a man called Asghar Bukhari of another grandiloquently named lobby group, the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, and can confirm that the presenter, Kay Burley, insisted on posing him loaded questions such as "what's your reply to that, Asghar?"
I was mildly surprised that the nominees did not include the political editor of the New Statesman, Martin Bright, for his important work in detailing the remarkably uncritical dialogue going on between the Foreign Office and Islamist groups. So I nominated him myself. I cannot claim to have done anything like the exhaustive work and analysis that he has done on this subject, but if any reader wishes to nominate me and I am successful, you can be sure I'll turn up to collect the award and express my reasons for pride in it."
Or if you objection is the subject of this article did write an article titled 'The Islamphobia' Scam" and in it he wrote:
"To that end, I note from Harry's Place that my comrades have been nominated by an absurd lobby calling itself the Islamic Human Rights Commission for an "Islamophobia" award (according to its organisers, "an annual event to acknowledge - through satire, revue and comedy - the worst Islamophobes of the year"). Other nominees in the UK include Tony Blair and Sky News. Sky's citation reads: "For being a prominent vehicle for anti Muslim propaganda, harboring [sic] bias in the [sic] every report and every question asked". I went on Sky News not long ago to debate a man called Asghar Bukhari of another grandiloquently named lobby group, the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, and can confirm that the presenter, Kay Burley, insisted on posing him loaded questions such as "what's your reply to that, Asghar?"
I was mildly surprised that the nominees did not include the political editor of the New Statesman, Martin Bright, for his important work in detailing the remarkably uncritical dialogue going on between the Foreign Office and Islamist groups. So I nominated him myself. I cannot claim to have done anything like the exhaustive work and analysis that he has done on this subject, but if any reader wishes to nominate me and I am successful, you can be sure I'll turn up to collect the award and express my reasons for pride in it."
But the subject of this page writing a page titled 'The Islamphobia' Scam" and in it he wrote:
"To that end, I note from Harry's Place that my comrades have been nominated by an absurd lobby calling itself the Islamic Human Rights Commission for an "Islamophobia" award (according to its organisers, "an annual event to acknowledge - through satire, revue and comedy - the worst Islamophobes of the year"). Other nominees in the UK include Tony Blair and Sky News. Sky's citation reads: "For being a prominent vehicle for anti Muslim propaganda, harboring [sic] bias in the [sic] every report and every question asked". I went on Sky News not long ago to debate a man called Asghar Bukhari of another grandiloquently named lobby group, the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, and can confirm that the presenter, Kay Burley, insisted on posing him loaded questions such as "what's your reply to that, Asghar?"
I was mildly surprised that the nominees did not include the political editor of the New Statesman, Martin Bright, for his important work in detailing the remarkably uncritical dialogue going on between the Foreign Office and Islamist groups. So I nominated him myself. I cannot claim to have done anything like the exhaustive work and analysis that he has done on this subject, but if any reader wishes to nominate me and I am successful, you can be sure I'll turn up to collect the award and express my reasons for pride in it."
is not notable.
Thank you 83.218.151.178 ( talk) 14:18, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
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Information to be added or removed: add the line "Kamm has written that he considers Islamophobia to be a 'scam' and in 2006 asked readers of his blog to nominate him for an 'Islamophobia award'."
Explanation of issue: Kamm wrote an article titled "The Islamphobia Scam' in 2016 and asked the readers of his blog to nominate him for an 'Islamophobia award'. This is notable ( WP:N) and sourced (see below)
References supporting change: http://web.archive.org/web/20191128121848/https://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2006/10/the_islamophobi.html 83.218.151.178 ( talk) 09:55, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
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The following claims lack multiple reliable secondary sources and so should be removed from the page
We need multiple reliable secondary sources discussing these to warrant inclusion 83.218.151.178 ( talk) 16:45, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
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I don't think that uncontroversial statements like the ones listed here require multiple RS. Bellowhead678 ( talk) 17:06, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
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Please add the line "Oliver Kamm is a supporter of Dutch Politician Geert Wilders". Here is an article he wrote titled 'Wilders must be supported' https://www.indexoncensorship.org/2010/10/wilders-must-be-supported/ which should be a sufficient source. If this is denied due to there not being multiple sources please quote the wikipedia guidelines that say every claim requires multiple sources and delete all the claims on this page that do not have multiple sources. Thank you 83.218.151.178 ( talk) 09:55, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Does anyone know why Oliver deleted all his blog posts after they were brought up here? 83.218.151.178 ( talk) 11:32, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
I see from prior discussions here that reference to Kamm's long standing dispute with journalist Neil Clark has been added & removed on numerous occasions. As the case is now settled & Kamm has effectively retracted many of the allegations he made against Clark, including calling him a racist, a genocide denier & an anti-immigration campaigner, would it be appropriate to include that information now?
The source is a statement from Kamm which he tweeted on 20 March 2020.
https://twitter.com/OliverKamm/status/1241138003780800512 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeltaSnowQueen ( talk • contribs) 12:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Whoops! Sorry! I forgot to sign my edit. I'm learning........ -- DeltaSnowQueen ( talk) 12:33, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Middle East Monitor is not an unbiased source - in fact, quite the opposite - it is extremely biased and anti-Israel. The article cited contains nothing but anti-Kamm quotes, and so cannot in any way be construed as neutral (which is what Wikipedia sources are supposed to be, to my understanding). I suspect the user who restored that source after I deleted it is highly biased themselves. - 980throwawy ( talk • contribs) 16:22, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Is there a reason the Philip Cross controversy that follows him is not mentioned?
It's been covered by the BBC and indeed written about by Oliver himself. Jimjom ( talk) 13:56, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Oliver Kamm/Archive 1 and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 30 § Oliver Kamm/Archive 1 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Regards, SONIC 678 06:26, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
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Is there a reason somebody has added "primary source needed" to much of this article despite it not being appropriate or used correctly? 92.7.26.190 ( talk) 18:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
There is, however, a substantial literature demonstrating that Herman and Peterson "bends, misrepresents, and suppresses facts with abandon" on the Srebrenica genocide, which is the main reason for their dispute with Oliver Kamm, who has strongly criticised Herman and his followers on this issue for many years. The aricles on Identifying reliable sources advise us to guard against using sources outside the mainstream, which MRzine/Monthly Review, a publication with a reputation for defending Chinese Communism/Maoism, certainly is. I am aware that his and Chomsky's "Propaganda model" has a following of sorts outside the political fringe, which is why I described him in the edit summary as a "disreputable figure on immediately relevant issues".
Mondoweiss in many reliable sources is described as an anti-semitic hate site, and one of its founders Philip Weiss has defended the campaigner Gilad Atzmon, a figure who is identified as an anti-semite by mainstream commentators. Reliable sources, we are informed in the IRS policy document as those with editorial oversight, including fact checking, but the article by Theodore Sayeed is riddled with errors. The journalist Bruce Anderson is falsely described as a former editor of The Spectator, while Nick Cohen, David Aaronovitch and Norman Geras are identified as "former Trotskyists". It is true Geras was once a member of the International Marxist Group, effectively defunct since 1982, but Cohen has had no such affiliation, and in fact, Aaaronovitch was once a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain. Aaronovitch's memoir of his Communist family was published recently and has gained much coverage, but Sayeed claims in his MW profile to be a post-graduate biologist resident in London. Yet he makes his error in an article published on 19 February 2016. So much for fact checking from him and Mondoweiss.
The Guardian interview with Chomsky, Sayeed mentions was with Emma Brockes. Marrko Attila Hoare wrote "Chomsky's Genocidal Denial" (reprinted by FrontPage magazine, 23 November 2005) in defence of the accusation that Chomsky defended Diana Johnstone's book Fool's Crusade, and thus aligned himself with genocidal deniers. Sayeed writes as though there was some kind of unfair conspiracy against Chomsky among people then active in HJS, but the evidence is against him.
Kamm was once involved with HJS, but like Marko Attila Hoare severed his connections some years ago. There is actually a shortage of blue chip reliable third-party sources which we can cite mentioning his former involvement, so the notability of this former connection has not been demonstrated. It was mentioned at the end of the couple of articles Kamm himself wrote for The Guardian a decade ago, but those were the main reliable source when I investigated a year or so ago. I removed the former reference on the basis of lack of established notability. Philip Cross ( talk) 21:38, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Tariq Ali, Isabel Allende, G. D. H. Cole, W. E. B. Du Bois, Barbara Ehrenreich, Eric Hobsbawm, Saul Landau, Ralph Miliband, Adrienne Rich, Jean-Paul Sartre, E. P. Thompson, Immanuel Wallerstein, and Raymond Williams.
Who is the "himself" whom Kamm is accusing Chomsky of quoting selectively? I can't see the source at the moment, but it's not clear if it's a filter, connection problem or if the link is dead. From the context, I get the impression that Kamm is accusing Chomsky of quoting Kamm selectively, but grammatically it looks like Kamm is accusing Chomsky of quoting Chomsky selectively. Is it actually the former? And if so, would I be right in thinking the grammar here needs tweaking. Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 07:15, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
"Because of his position on war and terrorism, the commentator Peter Wilby asserted that Kamm is not actually left-wing at all"
This reads that it is Wilby's position. I suspect the writer meant Kamm's position.
I won't adjust it until I can discover what was actually meant. The ref. seems to have gone from the NS. Cannonmc ( talk) 03:25, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
The article reads like a CV. Keith-264 ( talk) 17:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
Legal Challenge
Neil Clarke, journalist and author, is suing Times blogger Oliver Kamm in the High Court for libel over comments made on his website, in a move understood to mark the first time such legal action has taken place. [1]. The writ is served at the High Court and on the public record. Neil Clarke said on his own website that; "I'm launching a crowd-funded legal action for libel and harassment against Oliver Kamm, The Times newspaper and Rupert Murdoch. [2]
Apparently this was summarily reverted due to no consensus. I add my support to its inclusion because it is cited to a newspaper, is demonstrably true, is significant for Kamm's professional standing and that there is precedent in the article for description of controversy. Keith-264 ( talk) 15:40, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
References
Keith-264 ( talk) 15:40, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Given that Neil Clark's case against Kamm is the only thing that makes Kamm in the least bit interesting, either the case should be mentioned or the page deleted. Bougatsa42 ( talk) 22:05, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
I have now reverted the contentious passage more than three times within the last 24 hours. Its inclusion has already led to this page being blocked to new or unregistered users for two days, so I feel I have not edited outside established policies. I refer other editors to WP:3RRNO, exemption #7, which would appear to be applicable here, and states: "Removing violations of the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy that contain libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced contentious material". Philip Cross ( talk) 10:17, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
IPs 46.208.188.159 and 46.208.175.215 (who are obviously from the same IP block and are quite possibly the same person) have now been reported as having together broken 3RR, see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. I have also raised the issue at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard as there is an obvious BLP violation in the addition of the contentious material. On both noticeboards, I have mentioned that I might be considered to have broken 3RR myself, but have referred to the exemption I mention above. Philip Cross ( talk) 11:10, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
My submissions to the first noticeboard on the two outbreaks of tendentious editing in the last week are now archived at: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive366 for those with an interest. I should point out to those reading in the future, that this article is now semi-protected until 5 June. I updated this article yesterday, adding some three-party sources. Philip Cross ( talk) 07:13, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
The BLP/N post I mention above, is now permanently archived at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive269#Oliver Kamm. Philip Cross ( talk) 06:20, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
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Prior to his career in journalism, Kamm worked as Head of Strategic Research for Commerzbank Securities during the time the bank was under investigation for corruption and European Equity Strategist for HSBC Securities. Bambaleo76 ( talk) 13:23, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
This was not a WP article, but somebody's essay about him, picking this column by him or that one to weave a story. That is not what we do here. Like a lot of pundits there are not a lot of sources that just describe him that we can summarize. Hm. Jytdog ( talk) 02:06, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
The claim that Oliver Kamm wrote a blog article entitled 'The Islamphobia' Scam" and in it he wrote:
"To that end, I note from Harry's Place that my comrades have been nominated by an absurd lobby calling itself the Islamic Human Rights Commission for an "Islamophobia" award (according to its organisers, "an annual event to acknowledge - through satire, revue and comedy - the worst Islamophobes of the year"). Other nominees in the UK include Tony Blair and Sky News. Sky's citation reads: "For being a prominent vehicle for anti Muslim propaganda, harboring [sic] bias in the [sic] every report and every question asked". I went on Sky News not long ago to debate a man called Asghar Bukhari of another grandiloquently named lobby group, the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, and can confirm that the presenter, Kay Burley, insisted on posing him loaded questions such as "what's your reply to that, Asghar?"
I was mildly surprised that the nominees did not include the political editor of the New Statesman, Martin Bright, for his important work in detailing the remarkably uncritical dialogue going on between the Foreign Office and Islamist groups. So I nominated him myself. I cannot claim to have done anything like the exhaustive work and analysis that he has done on this subject, but if any reader wishes to nominate me and I am successful, you can be sure I'll turn up to collect the award and express my reasons for pride in it."
is correctly sourced ( WP:ABOUTSELF) and fits all the criteria for relevancy ( WP:ROC). If you do not wish it to appear in the article please quote the exact Wikipedia guidelines that would be breached by including it. Here is a link to the blog https://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2006/10/the_islamophobi.html 83.218.151.178 ( talk) 13:34, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
"To that end, I note from Harry's Place that my comrades have been nominated by an absurd lobby calling itself the Islamic Human Rights Commission for an "Islamophobia" award (according to its organisers, "an annual event to acknowledge - through satire, revue and comedy - the worst Islamophobes of the year"). Other nominees in the UK include Tony Blair and Sky News. Sky's citation reads: "For being a prominent vehicle for anti Muslim propaganda, harboring [sic] bias in the [sic] every report and every question asked". I went on Sky News not long ago to debate a man called Asghar Bukhari of another grandiloquently named lobby group, the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, and can confirm that the presenter, Kay Burley, insisted on posing him loaded questions such as "what's your reply to that, Asghar?"
I was mildly surprised that the nominees did not include the political editor of the New Statesman, Martin Bright, for his important work in detailing the remarkably uncritical dialogue going on between the Foreign Office and Islamist groups. So I nominated him myself. I cannot claim to have done anything like the exhaustive work and analysis that he has done on this subject, but if any reader wishes to nominate me and I am successful, you can be sure I'll turn up to collect the award and express my reasons for pride in it."
Or if you objection is the subject of this article did write an article titled 'The Islamphobia' Scam" and in it he wrote:
"To that end, I note from Harry's Place that my comrades have been nominated by an absurd lobby calling itself the Islamic Human Rights Commission for an "Islamophobia" award (according to its organisers, "an annual event to acknowledge - through satire, revue and comedy - the worst Islamophobes of the year"). Other nominees in the UK include Tony Blair and Sky News. Sky's citation reads: "For being a prominent vehicle for anti Muslim propaganda, harboring [sic] bias in the [sic] every report and every question asked". I went on Sky News not long ago to debate a man called Asghar Bukhari of another grandiloquently named lobby group, the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, and can confirm that the presenter, Kay Burley, insisted on posing him loaded questions such as "what's your reply to that, Asghar?"
I was mildly surprised that the nominees did not include the political editor of the New Statesman, Martin Bright, for his important work in detailing the remarkably uncritical dialogue going on between the Foreign Office and Islamist groups. So I nominated him myself. I cannot claim to have done anything like the exhaustive work and analysis that he has done on this subject, but if any reader wishes to nominate me and I am successful, you can be sure I'll turn up to collect the award and express my reasons for pride in it."
But the subject of this page writing a page titled 'The Islamphobia' Scam" and in it he wrote:
"To that end, I note from Harry's Place that my comrades have been nominated by an absurd lobby calling itself the Islamic Human Rights Commission for an "Islamophobia" award (according to its organisers, "an annual event to acknowledge - through satire, revue and comedy - the worst Islamophobes of the year"). Other nominees in the UK include Tony Blair and Sky News. Sky's citation reads: "For being a prominent vehicle for anti Muslim propaganda, harboring [sic] bias in the [sic] every report and every question asked". I went on Sky News not long ago to debate a man called Asghar Bukhari of another grandiloquently named lobby group, the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, and can confirm that the presenter, Kay Burley, insisted on posing him loaded questions such as "what's your reply to that, Asghar?"
I was mildly surprised that the nominees did not include the political editor of the New Statesman, Martin Bright, for his important work in detailing the remarkably uncritical dialogue going on between the Foreign Office and Islamist groups. So I nominated him myself. I cannot claim to have done anything like the exhaustive work and analysis that he has done on this subject, but if any reader wishes to nominate me and I am successful, you can be sure I'll turn up to collect the award and express my reasons for pride in it."
is not notable.
Thank you 83.218.151.178 ( talk) 14:18, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
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Information to be added or removed: add the line "Kamm has written that he considers Islamophobia to be a 'scam' and in 2006 asked readers of his blog to nominate him for an 'Islamophobia award'."
Explanation of issue: Kamm wrote an article titled "The Islamphobia Scam' in 2016 and asked the readers of his blog to nominate him for an 'Islamophobia award'. This is notable ( WP:N) and sourced (see below)
References supporting change: http://web.archive.org/web/20191128121848/https://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2006/10/the_islamophobi.html 83.218.151.178 ( talk) 09:55, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
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The following claims lack multiple reliable secondary sources and so should be removed from the page
We need multiple reliable secondary sources discussing these to warrant inclusion 83.218.151.178 ( talk) 16:45, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
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I don't think that uncontroversial statements like the ones listed here require multiple RS. Bellowhead678 ( talk) 17:06, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
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Please add the line "Oliver Kamm is a supporter of Dutch Politician Geert Wilders". Here is an article he wrote titled 'Wilders must be supported' https://www.indexoncensorship.org/2010/10/wilders-must-be-supported/ which should be a sufficient source. If this is denied due to there not being multiple sources please quote the wikipedia guidelines that say every claim requires multiple sources and delete all the claims on this page that do not have multiple sources. Thank you 83.218.151.178 ( talk) 09:55, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Does anyone know why Oliver deleted all his blog posts after they were brought up here? 83.218.151.178 ( talk) 11:32, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
I see from prior discussions here that reference to Kamm's long standing dispute with journalist Neil Clark has been added & removed on numerous occasions. As the case is now settled & Kamm has effectively retracted many of the allegations he made against Clark, including calling him a racist, a genocide denier & an anti-immigration campaigner, would it be appropriate to include that information now?
The source is a statement from Kamm which he tweeted on 20 March 2020.
https://twitter.com/OliverKamm/status/1241138003780800512 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeltaSnowQueen ( talk • contribs) 12:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Whoops! Sorry! I forgot to sign my edit. I'm learning........ -- DeltaSnowQueen ( talk) 12:33, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Middle East Monitor is not an unbiased source - in fact, quite the opposite - it is extremely biased and anti-Israel. The article cited contains nothing but anti-Kamm quotes, and so cannot in any way be construed as neutral (which is what Wikipedia sources are supposed to be, to my understanding). I suspect the user who restored that source after I deleted it is highly biased themselves. - 980throwawy ( talk • contribs) 16:22, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Is there a reason the Philip Cross controversy that follows him is not mentioned?
It's been covered by the BBC and indeed written about by Oliver himself. Jimjom ( talk) 13:56, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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