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Wilhelm Kattwinkel was not an entomologist, but a physician, specialized as a neuro-physician. He also heard lectures on paleontology. He went to German-East Africa to research about the sleeping-sickness (trypanomiasis), when he "discovered" the Olduvai fossil site. He is listed in the files of the Ludwig-Maximilians University of Munich until winter term 1934/35 (died January 35) as an extraordinary professor of internal medicine and neurology.
Maybe this could be corrected...
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In Germany, Kattwinkel is even seen as an paleontologist now, as his most known academic success finally was the discovering of the fossil site. He heard lectures about paleontology by von Zittel and Ranke, leading paleontologist in Germany at that time. To refer to him as a paleontologist would be to strong in my personal opinion, but could be accepted as had obiously enough knowlegde to excavate and chose scientifically valuable fossils to take to Europe. Frank Gries ( talk) 06:31, 2 August 2012 (UTC)Frank Gries
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May I suggest that the page be renamed to Oldupai Gorge since that is the correct spelling. The correct spelling of the Oldupai Gorge might be a point for dispute. Most people know it as the Olduvai Gorge which is nothing but incorrect. Oldupai is the Maasai name for the sisal plant which is found there and that is why it is called the Oldupai Gorge. Anybody who has been on a Safari in Serengeti would know this since the rangers there make sure to explain the correct name. --Durst 11:10, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Agree with this - it seems a similar case to Bombay/Mumbai. I'll swap the article & redirect (unless there are disagrements here)
I think Olduvai should be retained with a note about Oldupai (incidentally, one is used as the topic heading and the other is used at the start of the very first paragraph. No matter which solution we decide on, we should not use the words interchangeably. -- Ed ( talk) 17:55, 7 July 2010 (UTC) EdIsenberg 2010-07-07
I believe that Olduvai should be used primarily because of the complete ignorance the vast majority of people interested in the article about the second name. History is full of misspellings, mispronounced words ("Amarillo, TX" is incorrectly pronounced as "am-a-Rill-oh" rather than the correct "am-a-REE-yo", and other situations where what used to be called one thing becomes universally recognized as something else. When Peking, China was changed on maps and globes to Beijing, China, it was to help people pronounce the city's name correctly and keep them from insulting the Chinese by calling their capital city a misspelled Western name. Olduvai & Oldupai does not have nearly the same problem. Language is meant to facilitate communication, not, for the sake of accuracy, confuse everyone. -- Ed ( talk) 17:55, 7 July 2010 (UTC) EdIsenberg 2010-07-07
We were told at the Gorge this January, 2008, that a German adventurer or missionary or hunter asked the Maasai what the area was called and he HEARD Olduvai (misunderstanding Oldupai). Since that time, "Olduvai" has become a worldwide misnomer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.226.200 ( talk) 01:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Skeptic cdn 20:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC) I changed the naming to Oldupai. Apparently the official name of the Gorge changed to that in 2005.
Skeptic cdn 20:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC) I'm not sure how to edit the title of the page - could someone else do that?
Fair enough. I couldn't find an official site for Oldupai, although here is an article from the closest major city (Arusha) to the Gorge, which states that the name was in fact changed to Oldupai.
http://www.arushatimes.co.tz/2005/5/local_news_9.htm
Although there may be no specific need for article revision, the spelling of the name isn't a wholesale change, and is correct. Skeptic cdn 07:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Having just returned from Tanzania, we strongly endorse the name change to Oldupai Gorge. The rangers and guides in the park made a special point of asking us all to propogate the use of the correct (Oldupai) name. What better place to start this than Wikipedia? Waitefamily ( talk) 12:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I doubt whether there is evidence of mammoth consumption in the Olduvai Gorge. It should be elephant I think.
Furthermore, since Neanderthals did not live in Africa the bones in the Masek beds might be said to display archaic characteristics, but I do not think these characteristics should be dubbed "Neanderthal"
Could I request that the line "The latter spelling is not used locally." be replaced, with for example,"Oldupai is the spelling that is used locally." since the existing line requires backtracking and negation, rather than just stating the fact. I have not attempted to directly edit the line since I don't want to step on any toes and do not know if the line is in fact true. Thanks. mbyrne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.103.18.84 ( talk) 16:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
vsmith: why won't you let the name be corrected in the article, despite the inclusion of a photo of the correct spelling of the gorge that was provided 7 years ago? "Olduvai" should be just a footnote, rather than the dominant name of the article. Robert The Rebuilder ( talk) 12:28, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
This is the Ngorongoro Conservation Area Authority's website, which Oldupai Gorge is under. The name here is Oldupai, and it also mentions for clarity that the site was originally misnamed Olduvai.
I'm just reading "Lucy's Child" by D. Johanson and James Shreeve, which describes his finding of OH 62 at Olduvai in 1986, see Homo_habilis#OH_62. This should be added to the article - indeed there is no mention of Johanson and co-workers working at Olduvai at present. I am presently busy with other things but someone might care to add relevant info to the article - also the Johanson WP article is in need of similar additions. Cheers - Tony Tony 1212 ( talk) 06:42, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
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"The issue of hunting versus gathering at Olduvai Gorge is still a controversial one." Should this read "The issue of hunting versus scavenging at Olduvai Gorge is still a controversial one." ? 24.66.36.209 ( talk) 03:33, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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Wilhelm Kattwinkel was not an entomologist, but a physician, specialized as a neuro-physician. He also heard lectures on paleontology. He went to German-East Africa to research about the sleeping-sickness (trypanomiasis), when he "discovered" the Olduvai fossil site. He is listed in the files of the Ludwig-Maximilians University of Munich until winter term 1934/35 (died January 35) as an extraordinary professor of internal medicine and neurology.
Maybe this could be corrected...
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Frank Gries ( talk) 09:16, 1 August 2012 (UTC)Frank Gries
In Germany, Kattwinkel is even seen as an paleontologist now, as his most known academic success finally was the discovering of the fossil site. He heard lectures about paleontology by von Zittel and Ranke, leading paleontologist in Germany at that time. To refer to him as a paleontologist would be to strong in my personal opinion, but could be accepted as had obiously enough knowlegde to excavate and chose scientifically valuable fossils to take to Europe. Frank Gries ( talk) 06:31, 2 August 2012 (UTC)Frank Gries
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May I suggest that the page be renamed to Oldupai Gorge since that is the correct spelling. The correct spelling of the Oldupai Gorge might be a point for dispute. Most people know it as the Olduvai Gorge which is nothing but incorrect. Oldupai is the Maasai name for the sisal plant which is found there and that is why it is called the Oldupai Gorge. Anybody who has been on a Safari in Serengeti would know this since the rangers there make sure to explain the correct name. --Durst 11:10, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Agree with this - it seems a similar case to Bombay/Mumbai. I'll swap the article & redirect (unless there are disagrements here)
I think Olduvai should be retained with a note about Oldupai (incidentally, one is used as the topic heading and the other is used at the start of the very first paragraph. No matter which solution we decide on, we should not use the words interchangeably. -- Ed ( talk) 17:55, 7 July 2010 (UTC) EdIsenberg 2010-07-07
I believe that Olduvai should be used primarily because of the complete ignorance the vast majority of people interested in the article about the second name. History is full of misspellings, mispronounced words ("Amarillo, TX" is incorrectly pronounced as "am-a-Rill-oh" rather than the correct "am-a-REE-yo", and other situations where what used to be called one thing becomes universally recognized as something else. When Peking, China was changed on maps and globes to Beijing, China, it was to help people pronounce the city's name correctly and keep them from insulting the Chinese by calling their capital city a misspelled Western name. Olduvai & Oldupai does not have nearly the same problem. Language is meant to facilitate communication, not, for the sake of accuracy, confuse everyone. -- Ed ( talk) 17:55, 7 July 2010 (UTC) EdIsenberg 2010-07-07
We were told at the Gorge this January, 2008, that a German adventurer or missionary or hunter asked the Maasai what the area was called and he HEARD Olduvai (misunderstanding Oldupai). Since that time, "Olduvai" has become a worldwide misnomer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.226.200 ( talk) 01:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Skeptic cdn 20:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC) I changed the naming to Oldupai. Apparently the official name of the Gorge changed to that in 2005.
Skeptic cdn 20:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC) I'm not sure how to edit the title of the page - could someone else do that?
Fair enough. I couldn't find an official site for Oldupai, although here is an article from the closest major city (Arusha) to the Gorge, which states that the name was in fact changed to Oldupai.
http://www.arushatimes.co.tz/2005/5/local_news_9.htm
Although there may be no specific need for article revision, the spelling of the name isn't a wholesale change, and is correct. Skeptic cdn 07:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Having just returned from Tanzania, we strongly endorse the name change to Oldupai Gorge. The rangers and guides in the park made a special point of asking us all to propogate the use of the correct (Oldupai) name. What better place to start this than Wikipedia? Waitefamily ( talk) 12:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I doubt whether there is evidence of mammoth consumption in the Olduvai Gorge. It should be elephant I think.
Furthermore, since Neanderthals did not live in Africa the bones in the Masek beds might be said to display archaic characteristics, but I do not think these characteristics should be dubbed "Neanderthal"
Could I request that the line "The latter spelling is not used locally." be replaced, with for example,"Oldupai is the spelling that is used locally." since the existing line requires backtracking and negation, rather than just stating the fact. I have not attempted to directly edit the line since I don't want to step on any toes and do not know if the line is in fact true. Thanks. mbyrne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.103.18.84 ( talk) 16:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
vsmith: why won't you let the name be corrected in the article, despite the inclusion of a photo of the correct spelling of the gorge that was provided 7 years ago? "Olduvai" should be just a footnote, rather than the dominant name of the article. Robert The Rebuilder ( talk) 12:28, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
This is the Ngorongoro Conservation Area Authority's website, which Oldupai Gorge is under. The name here is Oldupai, and it also mentions for clarity that the site was originally misnamed Olduvai.
I'm just reading "Lucy's Child" by D. Johanson and James Shreeve, which describes his finding of OH 62 at Olduvai in 1986, see Homo_habilis#OH_62. This should be added to the article - indeed there is no mention of Johanson and co-workers working at Olduvai at present. I am presently busy with other things but someone might care to add relevant info to the article - also the Johanson WP article is in need of similar additions. Cheers - Tony Tony 1212 ( talk) 06:42, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
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A girl 2C0F:EB68:246:DA00:D5CD:3588:5595:4EB7 ( talk) 17:46, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
"The issue of hunting versus gathering at Olduvai Gorge is still a controversial one." Should this read "The issue of hunting versus scavenging at Olduvai Gorge is still a controversial one." ? 24.66.36.209 ( talk) 03:33, 16 February 2023 (UTC)