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Isn't it more correct to translate Eidgenossenschaft and Confœderatio as "Confederation" rather than "Confederacy"? The modern nation of Switzerland goes by the same name as the old one described here, and it's called the "Swiss Confederation." -- ℜob ℂ. alias ⒶⓁⒶⓇⓄⒷ 22:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
So it stands to reason that when the Swiss first came together as a state they didn't call themselves "old." Browsing through the Federal Charter and the Golden Bull of 1356, I can't find any reference to "Swiss Confederacy" much less "Old Swiss Confederacy." The treaty of Osnabrück uses the term "Eidgenossenschaft" but "Schweiz" seems to be the more common name there. And besides, that's less than two centuries away from the Confederacy's collapse. Anybody know what the Old Swiss Confederacy was called at the time? And is "Old Swiss Confederacy" one of those names like "Byzantine Empire" that was made up by historians to differentiate from other entities with similar names?-- Lairor ( talk) 07:29, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
the imperial vally links at the bottom go to a vally in calafornia and i dont think that is right so may need to be removed (i mean the link) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.168.64 ( talk) 01:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The official wording by the Swiss Federal Administration is Ancient Swiss Confederacy, not Old Swiss Confederacy. Where does this English term (Old Swiss Confederacy) come from, besides Wikipedia? Are there sources for this wording? -- ZH8000 ( talk) 15:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
[7] -- thanks, I guess? It takes a lot of effort to get these right. -- dab (𒁳) 07:31, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
File:Early coat of arms of Switzerland.svg --- this is of some interest to the Coat of arms of Switzerland article, if it can be referenced. So far, this is just copied from http://markodehaeck.free.fr/CH.htm where the claim is made that it is
(the ... seriousness of this "source" may be gauged by the fact that it uses "slavery unit" for "currency", "idiot monkeys" for "population" and "puke sects" for "religion").
I have been unable to locate a 1748 edition of Stumpf's chronicle. A "confederate coa" is certainly not found in Stumpf's original publication, where the cantonal coas are shown with the imperial one, as was standard throughout the life time of the Swiss Confederacy. https://www.e-rara.ch/zuz/content/pageview/5835609
If the origin of this design can be identified, I would be interested in including it in the Coat of arms of Switzerland, but I am afraid so far I have nothing to work with. -- dab (𒁳) 11:25, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
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@ Sapphorain: nowhere in your source is it stated that the Swiss Confederation was known in German as the Corpus helveticum. The translation helvetisches Corpus does appear in certain documents, apparently, but the usual name was Eidgenoss(en)schaft.
Compare the article on the German Wikipedia, which is titled Alte Eidgenossenschaft. Zacwill ( talk) 14:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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The featured article that formerly was here has been moved to Growth of the Old Swiss Confederacy; together with its talk page. Template:History of Switzerland has been updated to reflect this reorganisation. Lupo 20:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Isn't it more correct to translate Eidgenossenschaft and Confœderatio as "Confederation" rather than "Confederacy"? The modern nation of Switzerland goes by the same name as the old one described here, and it's called the "Swiss Confederation." -- ℜob ℂ. alias ⒶⓁⒶⓇⓄⒷ 22:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
So it stands to reason that when the Swiss first came together as a state they didn't call themselves "old." Browsing through the Federal Charter and the Golden Bull of 1356, I can't find any reference to "Swiss Confederacy" much less "Old Swiss Confederacy." The treaty of Osnabrück uses the term "Eidgenossenschaft" but "Schweiz" seems to be the more common name there. And besides, that's less than two centuries away from the Confederacy's collapse. Anybody know what the Old Swiss Confederacy was called at the time? And is "Old Swiss Confederacy" one of those names like "Byzantine Empire" that was made up by historians to differentiate from other entities with similar names?-- Lairor ( talk) 07:29, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
the imperial vally links at the bottom go to a vally in calafornia and i dont think that is right so may need to be removed (i mean the link) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.168.64 ( talk) 01:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The official wording by the Swiss Federal Administration is Ancient Swiss Confederacy, not Old Swiss Confederacy. Where does this English term (Old Swiss Confederacy) come from, besides Wikipedia? Are there sources for this wording? -- ZH8000 ( talk) 15:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
[7] -- thanks, I guess? It takes a lot of effort to get these right. -- dab (𒁳) 07:31, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
File:Early coat of arms of Switzerland.svg --- this is of some interest to the Coat of arms of Switzerland article, if it can be referenced. So far, this is just copied from http://markodehaeck.free.fr/CH.htm where the claim is made that it is
(the ... seriousness of this "source" may be gauged by the fact that it uses "slavery unit" for "currency", "idiot monkeys" for "population" and "puke sects" for "religion").
I have been unable to locate a 1748 edition of Stumpf's chronicle. A "confederate coa" is certainly not found in Stumpf's original publication, where the cantonal coas are shown with the imperial one, as was standard throughout the life time of the Swiss Confederacy. https://www.e-rara.ch/zuz/content/pageview/5835609
If the origin of this design can be identified, I would be interested in including it in the Coat of arms of Switzerland, but I am afraid so far I have nothing to work with. -- dab (𒁳) 11:25, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
This article has been revised as part of a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement. (See the investigation subpage.) Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: https://web.archive.org/web/20130403194806/http://www.swissworld.org/en/history/the_18th_century/the_french_occupation/". Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)
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@ Sapphorain: nowhere in your source is it stated that the Swiss Confederation was known in German as the Corpus helveticum. The translation helvetisches Corpus does appear in certain documents, apparently, but the usual name was Eidgenoss(en)schaft.
Compare the article on the German Wikipedia, which is titled Alte Eidgenossenschaft. Zacwill ( talk) 14:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)