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The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Dat Guy Talk Contribs 12:26, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Old Post Office Pavilion → Trump International Hotel Washington, D.C. – structure has been renamed and old name was only in use for a few decades, it is not historical enough to keep – Jamesluckard ( talk) 23:22, 16 September 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. — JFG talk 22:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
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Under section 7.4, the article states "with Trump using his personal funds to pay for the redevelopment"
This is erroneous. The renovation was financed via a loan from Deutsche Bank, as shown here:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2813432-UCC-170-Million.html#document/p1/a291486 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.16.212.92 ( talk) 00:29, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
"Construction was scheduled to start in 2014, perhaps as early as the first three months of the year.[130][132][134][140] The new Trump International Hotel is scheduled to open in the second half of 2016.[134][136][137][141]
With the lease signed, Ivanka Trump said construction would begin immediately after the building was turned over to The Trump Organization.[133]" - It has already opened. wtop.com/real-estate/2016/10/photos-inside-trumps-luxury-dc-hotel/ Kdammers ( talk) 20:21, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
The National Park service still manages what it calls "old post office tower".
The old post office Pavilion has become a notable hotel, which is what this article should be about. Or else split and create separate pages - one for the hotel page and another for the defunct post office.
Quit the erroneous or partisan editing and keep it strictly objective and NPOV. Readers aren't supposed to be misled while searching for the hotel in wikipedia, as nowadays increasingly the hotel is being mentioned by more and more sources without additional mentioning of its former post office background, which therefore will mislead readers and unnecessarily force them to do multiple searches in (for example) google before connecting the dot and arriving at this page. Loginnigol ( talk) 17:25, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Trump Hotel at Night: Lobbyists, Cabinet Members, $60 Steaks
I'm no native speaker and woukd be glad if someone would use this source in the article. -- Neun-x ( talk) 20:46, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
@ Corker1:You moved the page without prior discussion but didn't archive the talk page of "Old Post Office Pavilion" which included last year's discussion whose result was to not move. In that discussion (which was about moving to the hotel's name) alternative names were also discussed; I assume it is archived somewhere but I have no idea how to get it back. The building isn't just "historically known as the Old Post Office and Clock Tower", so why not use that instead of the current name? Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 08:31, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Old Post Office (Washington, D.C.). See obvious support to rename this article, and also see support for this title choice. Since this is not the proposed title, and it may or may not be the best choice for this article, there is no prejudice toward another requested move if editors decide on a better name. Happy New Year to All! ( closed by page mover) Paine Ellsworth put'r there 15:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Old Post Office Pavilion → Old Post Office Building (Washington, D.C.) – The existing page name ("Old Post Office Pavilion") is obsolete, because the building no longer contains a pavilion (construction of the Trump International Hotel Washington D.C. removed the food court and associated retail establishments). While the National Register of Historic Places identifies the building as the "Old Post Office Building and Clock Tower", this name is unwieldy and has never been in common use. A 17 September 2016 request to rename and move the page to "Trump International Hotel Washington, D.C." has been rejected. My prior page move to "Old Post Office Building (Washington, D.C.)" has been reverted, with a recommendation to initiate a new page move request (see discussion above). I therefore request this page move and renaming. Corker1 ( talk) 05:15, 12 December 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. — Amakuru ( talk) 15:40, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
This move request hasn’t generated much interest, and I don't see the need for rushing into anything. Let's discuss before proceeding with the move request. My first choice last year was and still is the official NRHP designation, Old Post Office and Clock Tower. I think it’s important to use the full name because the clock tower in its own right is the second-tallest building in D.C. (or third-tallest structure, if you count the Washington Monument). It's not just a landmark, but one that is literally "sticking out" from the crowd. What are the arguments against using it? I’ve looked at Wikipedia’s Old Post Office list. While there are quite a few Old Post Office (somewhere), there are also numerous combinations of Old Post Office and (something else) (somewhere), several of them longer than my proposed title. Comparing OPO D.C. with OPO Key West:
Question: What does the template "no redirect|xxx" do? Will someone looking for "Old Post Office Pavilion" find it in its new home? I, for one, don't want to delete the old page or the old talk page, I just want to rename it. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 17:47, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
washingtonpost.com March 28 2018
I ( a longtime European Wikipedian (but no native English speaker)
-- Neun-x ( talk) 20:54, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
The Trump Organization asked the Trump administration for rent relief on the (federally owned building) Trump International Hotel Washington because of the coronavirus pandemic. The Trump Organization inquired with the General Services Administration about changing the nearly $268,000 per month lease payments on the 60-year lease the company signed in 2013.
X1\ ( talk) 02:06, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
The Secret Service paid more than $33,000 to rent rooms at Trump’s Washington hotel for 137 nights in a row so it could guard Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin while he stayed in a luxury suite. The Secret Service also rented the room next to Mnuchin’s at taxpayer expense so they could screen Mnuchin’s visitors and deliveries. For that room, the Trump International Hotel charged the Secret Service at the maximum possible rate for federal agencies in 2017: $242 per night. The total bill for both rooms was $33,154. Mnuchin paid for his own room, but his decision to stay at a Trump property produced two revenue streams for Trump’s company. "The Secretary was not aware of what the U.S. Secret Service paid for the adjoining room," a spokesperson for Mnuchin said.
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Dat Guy Talk Contribs 12:26, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Old Post Office Pavilion → Trump International Hotel Washington, D.C. – structure has been renamed and old name was only in use for a few decades, it is not historical enough to keep – Jamesluckard ( talk) 23:22, 16 September 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. — JFG talk 22:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
{{subst:RMbot}}
Under section 7.4, the article states "with Trump using his personal funds to pay for the redevelopment"
This is erroneous. The renovation was financed via a loan from Deutsche Bank, as shown here:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2813432-UCC-170-Million.html#document/p1/a291486 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.16.212.92 ( talk) 00:29, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
"Construction was scheduled to start in 2014, perhaps as early as the first three months of the year.[130][132][134][140] The new Trump International Hotel is scheduled to open in the second half of 2016.[134][136][137][141]
With the lease signed, Ivanka Trump said construction would begin immediately after the building was turned over to The Trump Organization.[133]" - It has already opened. wtop.com/real-estate/2016/10/photos-inside-trumps-luxury-dc-hotel/ Kdammers ( talk) 20:21, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
The National Park service still manages what it calls "old post office tower".
The old post office Pavilion has become a notable hotel, which is what this article should be about. Or else split and create separate pages - one for the hotel page and another for the defunct post office.
Quit the erroneous or partisan editing and keep it strictly objective and NPOV. Readers aren't supposed to be misled while searching for the hotel in wikipedia, as nowadays increasingly the hotel is being mentioned by more and more sources without additional mentioning of its former post office background, which therefore will mislead readers and unnecessarily force them to do multiple searches in (for example) google before connecting the dot and arriving at this page. Loginnigol ( talk) 17:25, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Trump Hotel at Night: Lobbyists, Cabinet Members, $60 Steaks
I'm no native speaker and woukd be glad if someone would use this source in the article. -- Neun-x ( talk) 20:46, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
@ Corker1:You moved the page without prior discussion but didn't archive the talk page of "Old Post Office Pavilion" which included last year's discussion whose result was to not move. In that discussion (which was about moving to the hotel's name) alternative names were also discussed; I assume it is archived somewhere but I have no idea how to get it back. The building isn't just "historically known as the Old Post Office and Clock Tower", so why not use that instead of the current name? Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 08:31, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Old Post Office (Washington, D.C.). See obvious support to rename this article, and also see support for this title choice. Since this is not the proposed title, and it may or may not be the best choice for this article, there is no prejudice toward another requested move if editors decide on a better name. Happy New Year to All! ( closed by page mover) Paine Ellsworth put'r there 15:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Old Post Office Pavilion → Old Post Office Building (Washington, D.C.) – The existing page name ("Old Post Office Pavilion") is obsolete, because the building no longer contains a pavilion (construction of the Trump International Hotel Washington D.C. removed the food court and associated retail establishments). While the National Register of Historic Places identifies the building as the "Old Post Office Building and Clock Tower", this name is unwieldy and has never been in common use. A 17 September 2016 request to rename and move the page to "Trump International Hotel Washington, D.C." has been rejected. My prior page move to "Old Post Office Building (Washington, D.C.)" has been reverted, with a recommendation to initiate a new page move request (see discussion above). I therefore request this page move and renaming. Corker1 ( talk) 05:15, 12 December 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. — Amakuru ( talk) 15:40, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
This move request hasn’t generated much interest, and I don't see the need for rushing into anything. Let's discuss before proceeding with the move request. My first choice last year was and still is the official NRHP designation, Old Post Office and Clock Tower. I think it’s important to use the full name because the clock tower in its own right is the second-tallest building in D.C. (or third-tallest structure, if you count the Washington Monument). It's not just a landmark, but one that is literally "sticking out" from the crowd. What are the arguments against using it? I’ve looked at Wikipedia’s Old Post Office list. While there are quite a few Old Post Office (somewhere), there are also numerous combinations of Old Post Office and (something else) (somewhere), several of them longer than my proposed title. Comparing OPO D.C. with OPO Key West:
Question: What does the template "no redirect|xxx" do? Will someone looking for "Old Post Office Pavilion" find it in its new home? I, for one, don't want to delete the old page or the old talk page, I just want to rename it. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 17:47, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
washingtonpost.com March 28 2018
I ( a longtime European Wikipedian (but no native English speaker)
-- Neun-x ( talk) 20:54, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
The Trump Organization asked the Trump administration for rent relief on the (federally owned building) Trump International Hotel Washington because of the coronavirus pandemic. The Trump Organization inquired with the General Services Administration about changing the nearly $268,000 per month lease payments on the 60-year lease the company signed in 2013.
X1\ ( talk) 02:06, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
The Secret Service paid more than $33,000 to rent rooms at Trump’s Washington hotel for 137 nights in a row so it could guard Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin while he stayed in a luxury suite. The Secret Service also rented the room next to Mnuchin’s at taxpayer expense so they could screen Mnuchin’s visitors and deliveries. For that room, the Trump International Hotel charged the Secret Service at the maximum possible rate for federal agencies in 2017: $242 per night. The total bill for both rooms was $33,154. Mnuchin paid for his own room, but his decision to stay at a Trump property produced two revenue streams for Trump’s company. "The Secretary was not aware of what the U.S. Secret Service paid for the adjoining room," a spokesperson for Mnuchin said.