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I dont think this page should be built like this and should instead merely serve as a link page to refer to previous decade hiphop pages (90s, 80s, etc).
The problem with the term 'old school' hiphop is that it is constantly redefined with age. There is nothing concrete about the term 'old school'. The distinction of Run DMC, T La Rock etc in 1984 as the shift is pretty clear, but i dont think the term old school is appropriate. New artists consider Run DMC old school. Young hiphop kids dont even know who Run DMC is and refer to Dr Dre and Snoop as old school. The term old school will constantly shift regardless of anyone trying to apply it as a label to any hiphop era, it simply wont stick over time.
- dennis518 3/21/2010
How can "rhyming and stealing" be old school if old school doesn't involve samples or electronic beats? Its beat exclusively involves sampling. That doesn't make any sense.
I agree.
I can't find any background info on Alton Clarke as mentioned right at the top of the page. Isn't this just spam? I didn't revert as it has survived the last 5+ edits or so, maybe someone more closely associated with this article make a judgment call on that. -- paul079
--UPDATE: Deleted reference after all. Cannot find any usable reference.
Any objections to moving this to article old school hip hop music?
Reasons:
- Wintran 14:30, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
At wikipedia, the way it works is when a section of a large article gets too big, we summarize that section and supply a link in the form of
or
.
That is why this article was created-- the section on old school hip hop somewhere else got too big. By this same logic, it would make sense to create an article called old school hip hop music if, and only if, a section on the music in this article becomes too big.-- Urthogie 18:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Wait a sec though. Look what links here: Special:Whatlinkshere/Old_school_hip_hop. Stuff like breakdancing, among other things. Old school hip hop refers to the culture and the music of the time, I think.-- Urthogie 21:16, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok lemme explain how I see it-- I think the current name refers to a historical era within the movement. Hence, I would think it makes sense to address the fashion, music, and culture of this era. Do you agree?what'syour view?-- Urthogie 22:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
The music is old school rap, which this article describes. The culture is old school hip hop, which includes music, breakdancing and fashion, so the current title is incorrect. 184.147.239.84 ( talk) 17:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Not sure exactly how to cite it, but old school referring to 90's hip hop is used on many radio stations and tv channels, it's used on BET, sometimes MTV2, etc. Yanksta x 19:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
remove dr.dre from the artist list please he is not old school
That brings up a good question: are early gangsta rappers like NWA, Too Short and Ice T considered old school hip hop? They are on the list as of this current posting 153.18.17.22 19:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
' Much of the subject matter of old school hip hop centers around partying and having a good time.[2] One notable exception is the song "The Message" '
How about "White Lines" by Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five? An anti-drug track. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LewisR ( talk • contribs) 22:20, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Is there any place that lists it as Old Skool? That's what I call it, but I'm not sure if I got it somewhere or just thought it'd be cool to make it look more "urban".
Ive noticed that there are numerous sections of the article in which text is repeated word-for-word in a second, often consecutive, paragraph. I feel that this presents a very redundant and somewhat careless feel for the article, and should be altered accordingly. 216.36.17.5 22:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm deleting non-old school artists from the list now. Wathiik 11:56, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Is N.W.A. an oldschool hip hop group? Some people think so, some people think not. They are listed as of this posting. They formed in 1986. Please discuss so I can know whether to remove them or not 68.165.3.98 02:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Old school hip hop died around 1983/84. Groups like Boogie Down Productions and Run-DMC often claimed they were from the NEW school, not the old school. Original/old school hip hop peaked in the early 80s and then died, hard, when breakdancing became the in thing and then the out thing.
Old school hip hop didn't die in 83/84. Hip hop just started in 1979 so there really wasn't old school hip hop back then. It will never die! As long as there is hip hop, there will be old school. About 20 years from now, our rap will be old school.(Wiz Kalifah, Snoop Dog, Tyler the Creator etc.) Just because Run DMC said he was new school then, that was back then! Now he's old school. 166.82.187.246 ( talk) 01:54, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Calling rap artists like Run DMC, BDP, or A Tribe Called Quest "old school" is like calling Abe Lincoln one of the Founding Fathers.
Yes because most of the almost 6 billion people elsewhere in the world can name the "founding fathers" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.251.229.70 ( talk) 01:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
"Old school" is NOT a strictly defined era. The terms 'old school' and 'new school' were first popularized around the mid 1980's and a lot of MC's at that time referred to themselves as "new school" but they were "new school" then! In the 1990's we always considered EVERYTHING before 1990 as "old school"...I'm older, so I'll always consider anything after the 1980's as "new school" but just as my generation changed the definition the younger generation will define the current definition...to them the 1990's IS 'old school'. HipHop has gone through so many stages through the years that I think it is very limiting to only separate it by "old school" and "new school". There has to be a better way to separate the many different eras. The Temple of HipHop had a decent breakdown years ago but that info has since disappeared. An earlier commenter used some quotes from rap songs as proof to a definite time frame for 'old school'...here is another quote from a respected MC that says different: "Rap is still an art, and no-one's from the Old School 'cause Rap is still a brand-new tool. I say no-one's from the Old School 'cause Rap on a whole isn't even twenty years old. Fifty years down the line, you can start this 'cause we'll be the Old School artists." - KRS ONE, 1988 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.76.78.202 ( talk) 00:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
I would say yes, NWA is old school. They formed in the 80's! Anything 1999(90's) and back is old school I would say. 166.82.187.246 ( talk) 23:17, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
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I disagree where the article says new school started in 1984.They are kind of saying that Run DMC started and is the reason for New School. No one started new school. New school is just the era your in. The old school rappers would consider themselves new school, back then. But now there old school. Mainly because most of them retired, they've been raping for more than 10 years, or maybe because that wasn't in the 2000, 2010 decade. New School would mainly be considered as 2000 through now. Mainly because were still in the 2000s.(I know were in the 2010s)So I would consider Old School as 1979-1999. 166.82.187.246 ( talk) 01:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
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I dont think this page should be built like this and should instead merely serve as a link page to refer to previous decade hiphop pages (90s, 80s, etc).
The problem with the term 'old school' hiphop is that it is constantly redefined with age. There is nothing concrete about the term 'old school'. The distinction of Run DMC, T La Rock etc in 1984 as the shift is pretty clear, but i dont think the term old school is appropriate. New artists consider Run DMC old school. Young hiphop kids dont even know who Run DMC is and refer to Dr Dre and Snoop as old school. The term old school will constantly shift regardless of anyone trying to apply it as a label to any hiphop era, it simply wont stick over time.
- dennis518 3/21/2010
How can "rhyming and stealing" be old school if old school doesn't involve samples or electronic beats? Its beat exclusively involves sampling. That doesn't make any sense.
I agree.
I can't find any background info on Alton Clarke as mentioned right at the top of the page. Isn't this just spam? I didn't revert as it has survived the last 5+ edits or so, maybe someone more closely associated with this article make a judgment call on that. -- paul079
--UPDATE: Deleted reference after all. Cannot find any usable reference.
Any objections to moving this to article old school hip hop music?
Reasons:
- Wintran 14:30, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
At wikipedia, the way it works is when a section of a large article gets too big, we summarize that section and supply a link in the form of
or
.
That is why this article was created-- the section on old school hip hop somewhere else got too big. By this same logic, it would make sense to create an article called old school hip hop music if, and only if, a section on the music in this article becomes too big.-- Urthogie 18:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Wait a sec though. Look what links here: Special:Whatlinkshere/Old_school_hip_hop. Stuff like breakdancing, among other things. Old school hip hop refers to the culture and the music of the time, I think.-- Urthogie 21:16, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok lemme explain how I see it-- I think the current name refers to a historical era within the movement. Hence, I would think it makes sense to address the fashion, music, and culture of this era. Do you agree?what'syour view?-- Urthogie 22:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
The music is old school rap, which this article describes. The culture is old school hip hop, which includes music, breakdancing and fashion, so the current title is incorrect. 184.147.239.84 ( talk) 17:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Not sure exactly how to cite it, but old school referring to 90's hip hop is used on many radio stations and tv channels, it's used on BET, sometimes MTV2, etc. Yanksta x 19:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
remove dr.dre from the artist list please he is not old school
That brings up a good question: are early gangsta rappers like NWA, Too Short and Ice T considered old school hip hop? They are on the list as of this current posting 153.18.17.22 19:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
' Much of the subject matter of old school hip hop centers around partying and having a good time.[2] One notable exception is the song "The Message" '
How about "White Lines" by Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five? An anti-drug track. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LewisR ( talk • contribs) 22:20, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Is there any place that lists it as Old Skool? That's what I call it, but I'm not sure if I got it somewhere or just thought it'd be cool to make it look more "urban".
Ive noticed that there are numerous sections of the article in which text is repeated word-for-word in a second, often consecutive, paragraph. I feel that this presents a very redundant and somewhat careless feel for the article, and should be altered accordingly. 216.36.17.5 22:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm deleting non-old school artists from the list now. Wathiik 11:56, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Is N.W.A. an oldschool hip hop group? Some people think so, some people think not. They are listed as of this posting. They formed in 1986. Please discuss so I can know whether to remove them or not 68.165.3.98 02:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Old school hip hop died around 1983/84. Groups like Boogie Down Productions and Run-DMC often claimed they were from the NEW school, not the old school. Original/old school hip hop peaked in the early 80s and then died, hard, when breakdancing became the in thing and then the out thing.
Old school hip hop didn't die in 83/84. Hip hop just started in 1979 so there really wasn't old school hip hop back then. It will never die! As long as there is hip hop, there will be old school. About 20 years from now, our rap will be old school.(Wiz Kalifah, Snoop Dog, Tyler the Creator etc.) Just because Run DMC said he was new school then, that was back then! Now he's old school. 166.82.187.246 ( talk) 01:54, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Calling rap artists like Run DMC, BDP, or A Tribe Called Quest "old school" is like calling Abe Lincoln one of the Founding Fathers.
Yes because most of the almost 6 billion people elsewhere in the world can name the "founding fathers" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.251.229.70 ( talk) 01:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
"Old school" is NOT a strictly defined era. The terms 'old school' and 'new school' were first popularized around the mid 1980's and a lot of MC's at that time referred to themselves as "new school" but they were "new school" then! In the 1990's we always considered EVERYTHING before 1990 as "old school"...I'm older, so I'll always consider anything after the 1980's as "new school" but just as my generation changed the definition the younger generation will define the current definition...to them the 1990's IS 'old school'. HipHop has gone through so many stages through the years that I think it is very limiting to only separate it by "old school" and "new school". There has to be a better way to separate the many different eras. The Temple of HipHop had a decent breakdown years ago but that info has since disappeared. An earlier commenter used some quotes from rap songs as proof to a definite time frame for 'old school'...here is another quote from a respected MC that says different: "Rap is still an art, and no-one's from the Old School 'cause Rap is still a brand-new tool. I say no-one's from the Old School 'cause Rap on a whole isn't even twenty years old. Fifty years down the line, you can start this 'cause we'll be the Old School artists." - KRS ONE, 1988 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.76.78.202 ( talk) 00:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
I would say yes, NWA is old school. They formed in the 80's! Anything 1999(90's) and back is old school I would say. 166.82.187.246 ( talk) 23:17, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
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I disagree where the article says new school started in 1984.They are kind of saying that Run DMC started and is the reason for New School. No one started new school. New school is just the era your in. The old school rappers would consider themselves new school, back then. But now there old school. Mainly because most of them retired, they've been raping for more than 10 years, or maybe because that wasn't in the 2000, 2010 decade. New School would mainly be considered as 2000 through now. Mainly because were still in the 2000s.(I know were in the 2010s)So I would consider Old School as 1979-1999. 166.82.187.246 ( talk) 01:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC)