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Should we mention that most of the Okies were of mixed ethnic backround?
Why not?
well for one thing there aren't any hard statistics to back my assertion.
However since many Oklahomans at the time were Indians and the one who weren't were often hiding their mixed race backround it stands to reason many Okies were of mixed blood. grazon 01:00, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
In the 1930s he spoke of a time when American Indians like his parents (his mom is full-blooded, his father 1/4th) are legally discriminated despite the New Deal could helped them except tribes were exempt from the program, limited to field work due to limited educational opportunities and threatened by incidents of violence by the KKK. Racism (if they were black or Indian) and classism (what poor whites faced) have affected those farm laborers to a point of desperation to leave Oklahoma and nearby states to start lives anew.
I said the "Okies" experienced levels of prejudice by Californians for being poor, rural and Southern, but they questioned a large number of them had American Indian ancestry and this puts them in a disadvantage. The "Okies" learned what it was like to be a cultural minority, and my grandpa worked in the fields aside Filipinos, Mexicans, Armenians and African Americans in the multi racial Central Valley and later he moved to Los Angeles in the outbreak of WWII, he turned 18 and signed up in the US Marines to better himself and completed his education (he dropped out in the 6th grade). + Mike D 26 ( talk) 15:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
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The term Okie has simply grown to be viewed less derogatorily. It's not that the people in Oklahoma are ignorant of its roots... I'd know, I'm from Oklahoma...-- CountCrazy007 01:30, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't know where in Oklahoma CountCrazy could be from but he is very very wrong. I am from Oklahoma, live there & polled some 20 + people on this. the only ones who did NOT consider it insulting were 2 young women who moved just across the line in Texas. After the origin was explained to them they were very embarassed.
No one else would as they state ever consider using it to describe themselves. As one not-so-gentleman said. "I'll stomp your ass if you call me that!"
Saying it is is a simple derivation is like saying Nigger is just a variant of Niger (river). A few people misusing a term (deliberately?) does not excuse a reference for attempting to change meanings.
Having been in music business, I can assure you that Merle Haggard's song "okie from Muskogee" was in intent sole degrogatory and an act of his personal revenge on the town that treated him & other rural people shabbily. Just note the lyrics, they are mostly insulting.
I feel that as shown above in that discussion that if you are removing comments by people that disagree with your 1984 "newspeak" then you are dong a major disservice.
Can I remove countCrazy's demeaning remarks now? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Modern man ( talk • contribs)
The famous "paradox" is a great quote, and very humourous, but it is in no way a paradox.
The veracity of the following paragraph is highly suspect to me. At the very least, any time I see a sentence beginning with "It has been said that" I think weasel words.
Being an Oklahoma native, I've been told that in actuality surprisingly few Okies ever really went west to California. Obviously, that's a poor reference so I've merely marked the paragraph as needing citations.
Bantosh ( talk) 21:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
^ Windschuttle, "Steinbeck's Myth of the Okies": "Unfortunately for the reputation of the author John Steinbeck, however, there is now an accumulation of sufficient historical, demographic, and climatic data about the 1930s to show that almost everything about the elaborate picture created in the novel The Grapes of Wrath is either outright false or exaggerated beyond belief." What a bunch of right-wing revisionism to deny the truth. Okies fled Oklahoma for economic reasons when their states' economies nearly collapsed in the 1930s. I read a passage on "US States information: Oklahoma" in the 1996 Universal Almanac about the large number of farm owners were "transplants from New England mostly of businessmen in the agricultural trade, returned without much economic loss" or something like the outward migration wasn't severe like it was widely reported in the news media at the time. The farm owners might not been severely affected, but farm workers had experienced a declined standard of living during the dust bowl, great depression and the US government's failure to provide proper assistance to farmers of the Great Plains and Southeast states. + Mike D 26 ( talk) 16:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
In an ironic note, "Okie" is also a nickname for Okinawans coming from the island of Okinawa after world war II. It is held to be usually offensive for them and the co-related Japanese people. From 1945 to 1972, Okinawa was ruled by an U.S. Administration following Japan's surrender and was included in the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, until Okinawa was returned to Japan.
What's more interesting is the Okinawans and Japanese-Americans have been blending in with the Cherokee Indian community in California in the early half of 20th century. In the L.A. suburb of Torrance, the Cherokee-Japanese are a result of the close contact of two different yet similar in experience ethnic groups to form a new community of Asian-Americans who sometimes held Cherokee Indian tribal membership.
I'm fully aware of not all Asians are Japanese, "Okies" are Cherokee Indians and the two ethnic-national groups (Okies are US Americans) had evolved separately, but cultural anthropologists study how an ethnic group comes in contact with another to eventually merge in a generation (i.e. Jew-talians, Irish Franco-Canadiens, Nuyo-ricans as Puerto Ricans with African-American ancestry, Punjabi Mexican Americans, etc.) whenever they began to assimilate in a new land. + 71.102.7.77 ( talk) 20:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I am ASTOUNDED that this article had not yet been added to the Oklahoma Wiki Project! Wow! Well, that has now been fixed.
As for the pejorative use of the word "Okie," per Wiki policy, I will do some objective research and see what I can find. Since I expect to find two or more major points of view, I will present, link, note, and cite them. ProfessorPaul 02:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the description of the Will Rogers intelligence quote as a paradox. If Oklahomans of below average intelligence (for Oklahoma) left, Oklahoma's average intelligence would rise. If these same people were more intelligent than the average Californian, then their arrival would also raise the average intelligence of California. I believe the intent of the quote was basically to say that on average, Oklahomans are more intelligent than Californians. It also implies that those who stayed in Oklahoma were more intelligent than those who left. This Okie doesn't think it's a paradox. 137.240.136.81 17:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Removed edit: Rural white and American Indian farmers of Oklahoma, and from the Southern and Central states had been relocating to the Northeast and west coast since the 1850s, but the "Okie" migration of the 1930s brought in over a million new displaced residents to California's Central valley and major cities bucked the trend. Whenever any edit is unsourced, this will happen...but sounds true about the history of farm laborers often moved into the urban areas throughout U.S. and world histories. 71.102.21.238 ( talk) 09:43, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
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Given that this was used within the USA, could it be said that it is xenophobic with regards to internal migration, akin to saying "go back to oklahoma"? 2607:F5F0:110:1:0:0:0:61 ( talk) 00:40, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Find citations to support the claims about “Arkie” or remove the sentence. 2601:602:9A00:4D0:CC8E:C117:530D:D5E2 ( talk) 05:03, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
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The migrants included people from Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Texas, Colorado and New Mexico, but were all referred to as "Okies" and "Arkies."
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Should we mention that most of the Okies were of mixed ethnic backround?
Why not?
well for one thing there aren't any hard statistics to back my assertion.
However since many Oklahomans at the time were Indians and the one who weren't were often hiding their mixed race backround it stands to reason many Okies were of mixed blood. grazon 01:00, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
In the 1930s he spoke of a time when American Indians like his parents (his mom is full-blooded, his father 1/4th) are legally discriminated despite the New Deal could helped them except tribes were exempt from the program, limited to field work due to limited educational opportunities and threatened by incidents of violence by the KKK. Racism (if they were black or Indian) and classism (what poor whites faced) have affected those farm laborers to a point of desperation to leave Oklahoma and nearby states to start lives anew.
I said the "Okies" experienced levels of prejudice by Californians for being poor, rural and Southern, but they questioned a large number of them had American Indian ancestry and this puts them in a disadvantage. The "Okies" learned what it was like to be a cultural minority, and my grandpa worked in the fields aside Filipinos, Mexicans, Armenians and African Americans in the multi racial Central Valley and later he moved to Los Angeles in the outbreak of WWII, he turned 18 and signed up in the US Marines to better himself and completed his education (he dropped out in the 6th grade). + Mike D 26 ( talk) 15:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
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The same person who made this edit also made this edit. I have reverted it. — Ashley Y 03:12, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
The term Okie has simply grown to be viewed less derogatorily. It's not that the people in Oklahoma are ignorant of its roots... I'd know, I'm from Oklahoma...-- CountCrazy007 01:30, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't know where in Oklahoma CountCrazy could be from but he is very very wrong. I am from Oklahoma, live there & polled some 20 + people on this. the only ones who did NOT consider it insulting were 2 young women who moved just across the line in Texas. After the origin was explained to them they were very embarassed.
No one else would as they state ever consider using it to describe themselves. As one not-so-gentleman said. "I'll stomp your ass if you call me that!"
Saying it is is a simple derivation is like saying Nigger is just a variant of Niger (river). A few people misusing a term (deliberately?) does not excuse a reference for attempting to change meanings.
Having been in music business, I can assure you that Merle Haggard's song "okie from Muskogee" was in intent sole degrogatory and an act of his personal revenge on the town that treated him & other rural people shabbily. Just note the lyrics, they are mostly insulting.
I feel that as shown above in that discussion that if you are removing comments by people that disagree with your 1984 "newspeak" then you are dong a major disservice.
Can I remove countCrazy's demeaning remarks now? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Modern man ( talk • contribs)
The famous "paradox" is a great quote, and very humourous, but it is in no way a paradox.
The veracity of the following paragraph is highly suspect to me. At the very least, any time I see a sentence beginning with "It has been said that" I think weasel words.
Being an Oklahoma native, I've been told that in actuality surprisingly few Okies ever really went west to California. Obviously, that's a poor reference so I've merely marked the paragraph as needing citations.
Bantosh ( talk) 21:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
^ Windschuttle, "Steinbeck's Myth of the Okies": "Unfortunately for the reputation of the author John Steinbeck, however, there is now an accumulation of sufficient historical, demographic, and climatic data about the 1930s to show that almost everything about the elaborate picture created in the novel The Grapes of Wrath is either outright false or exaggerated beyond belief." What a bunch of right-wing revisionism to deny the truth. Okies fled Oklahoma for economic reasons when their states' economies nearly collapsed in the 1930s. I read a passage on "US States information: Oklahoma" in the 1996 Universal Almanac about the large number of farm owners were "transplants from New England mostly of businessmen in the agricultural trade, returned without much economic loss" or something like the outward migration wasn't severe like it was widely reported in the news media at the time. The farm owners might not been severely affected, but farm workers had experienced a declined standard of living during the dust bowl, great depression and the US government's failure to provide proper assistance to farmers of the Great Plains and Southeast states. + Mike D 26 ( talk) 16:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
In an ironic note, "Okie" is also a nickname for Okinawans coming from the island of Okinawa after world war II. It is held to be usually offensive for them and the co-related Japanese people. From 1945 to 1972, Okinawa was ruled by an U.S. Administration following Japan's surrender and was included in the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, until Okinawa was returned to Japan.
What's more interesting is the Okinawans and Japanese-Americans have been blending in with the Cherokee Indian community in California in the early half of 20th century. In the L.A. suburb of Torrance, the Cherokee-Japanese are a result of the close contact of two different yet similar in experience ethnic groups to form a new community of Asian-Americans who sometimes held Cherokee Indian tribal membership.
I'm fully aware of not all Asians are Japanese, "Okies" are Cherokee Indians and the two ethnic-national groups (Okies are US Americans) had evolved separately, but cultural anthropologists study how an ethnic group comes in contact with another to eventually merge in a generation (i.e. Jew-talians, Irish Franco-Canadiens, Nuyo-ricans as Puerto Ricans with African-American ancestry, Punjabi Mexican Americans, etc.) whenever they began to assimilate in a new land. + 71.102.7.77 ( talk) 20:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I am ASTOUNDED that this article had not yet been added to the Oklahoma Wiki Project! Wow! Well, that has now been fixed.
As for the pejorative use of the word "Okie," per Wiki policy, I will do some objective research and see what I can find. Since I expect to find two or more major points of view, I will present, link, note, and cite them. ProfessorPaul 02:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the description of the Will Rogers intelligence quote as a paradox. If Oklahomans of below average intelligence (for Oklahoma) left, Oklahoma's average intelligence would rise. If these same people were more intelligent than the average Californian, then their arrival would also raise the average intelligence of California. I believe the intent of the quote was basically to say that on average, Oklahomans are more intelligent than Californians. It also implies that those who stayed in Oklahoma were more intelligent than those who left. This Okie doesn't think it's a paradox. 137.240.136.81 17:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Removed edit: Rural white and American Indian farmers of Oklahoma, and from the Southern and Central states had been relocating to the Northeast and west coast since the 1850s, but the "Okie" migration of the 1930s brought in over a million new displaced residents to California's Central valley and major cities bucked the trend. Whenever any edit is unsourced, this will happen...but sounds true about the history of farm laborers often moved into the urban areas throughout U.S. and world histories. 71.102.21.238 ( talk) 09:43, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
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Given that this was used within the USA, could it be said that it is xenophobic with regards to internal migration, akin to saying "go back to oklahoma"? 2607:F5F0:110:1:0:0:0:61 ( talk) 00:40, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Find citations to support the claims about “Arkie” or remove the sentence. 2601:602:9A00:4D0:CC8E:C117:530D:D5E2 ( talk) 05:03, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
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The migrants included people from Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Texas, Colorado and New Mexico, but were all referred to as "Okies" and "Arkies."