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This article was nominated for merging with 357th Fighter Group on 19 February 2008. The result of the discussion ( permanent link) was Keep. |
Note: A small comment here - the 160th was not designated as a WING unless that happened after my retirement in 1986. We were the 160th AREFG (Air Refueling Group), commanded at the time by Colonel Frank Cattran. The first SAC aircraft we received was a KC-135, tail number 1507, which was pretty much a mess -missing rivets, cracked NESA glass, filthy inside. However, after it was "Guardized" it went on to win the "best of show" award (a beautiful Wilkinson Sword trophy) at a military aircraft show in Europe several years later. We, while still a KC-97 unit, along with several other ANG refueling units around the country, served on a rotating deployment to Rhein-Main AB Germany on Operation Creek Party during the Viet-Nam war while the KC-135's of the regular Air Force operated out of South-East Asia. One of our last KC-97 aircraft, tail number 52-2630, which Colonel Cattran flew as "his" bird is on display at the U.S. Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton Ohio. I was the "avionics crew chief" assigned to that bird for maintenance and inspections. I am not publishing my name here, but my old comrades in the 160th may recognise me as "Super-V". I served as an Aircraft Electrician, Avionics Technician, and finally, First Sergeant in the 160th Consolidated Aircraft Maintenance Squadron (CAMS) for about 16 years. We moved the unit from our old base at Clinton County AFB in Wilmington, Ohio, to Lockbourne - later Rickenbacker AFB - when Clinton County closed down.
A significant part of Ohio Air National Guard#Formation is duplicated closely, if not exactly, by 357th Fighter Group#Postwar history and heritage, which is not perhaps surprising as the OHANG was formed from remnants of 357th, when the latter was deactivated in 1946. I think that either the two articles should be merged, or if not, then the duplicate text should be removed from one of the articles, probably the 357th. Wikilinks between the two articles should remove the need to duplicate text. When text is duplicated in this fashion, it is inevitable that ongoing maintenance over time will result in differences developing between the two articles, causing confusion at best. -- Romney yw ( talk) 01:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
The OHANG article clearly suggests to me that OHANG was formed from the remnants of 357th FG. If you like OHANG is the last logical step in 357th history. However, after re-reading both articles in their current form in the light of comments here, I think we've got a pretty good solution without the duplicated text I was worried about. Agree merge is not required; I guess it's down to me to remove the "merge" templates?? -- Romney yw ( talk) 16:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I have recently noted a profusion of new info boxes in Air Guard articles. ALL are incorrect in denoting any federal links in the command structure. The guard is a state organization only. When their units deploy operationally, those units come under the federal chain of command for the period of time they are deployed, but the guard as a whole does not. The commander-in-chief of any state guard unit is the governor of the state. Thus, in this article, the commander in chief is the governor of Ohio. The POTUS and SECAF have no command authority over the OHANG. This is not just bantering of words. Federal law prohibits the deployment in combat, for instance, of Guard aircraft purchased with funds designated for Homeland Security, or which have a support mission for FEMA. In such instances, the buck stops with the governor, period. I will not edit the article until a period for discussion has passed, but it is in error, and you can't rationalize the use of errors in an encyclopedia, an entity devoted to fact.-- Reedmalloy ( talk) 15:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
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This article was nominated for merging with 357th Fighter Group on 19 February 2008. The result of the discussion ( permanent link) was Keep. |
Note: A small comment here - the 160th was not designated as a WING unless that happened after my retirement in 1986. We were the 160th AREFG (Air Refueling Group), commanded at the time by Colonel Frank Cattran. The first SAC aircraft we received was a KC-135, tail number 1507, which was pretty much a mess -missing rivets, cracked NESA glass, filthy inside. However, after it was "Guardized" it went on to win the "best of show" award (a beautiful Wilkinson Sword trophy) at a military aircraft show in Europe several years later. We, while still a KC-97 unit, along with several other ANG refueling units around the country, served on a rotating deployment to Rhein-Main AB Germany on Operation Creek Party during the Viet-Nam war while the KC-135's of the regular Air Force operated out of South-East Asia. One of our last KC-97 aircraft, tail number 52-2630, which Colonel Cattran flew as "his" bird is on display at the U.S. Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton Ohio. I was the "avionics crew chief" assigned to that bird for maintenance and inspections. I am not publishing my name here, but my old comrades in the 160th may recognise me as "Super-V". I served as an Aircraft Electrician, Avionics Technician, and finally, First Sergeant in the 160th Consolidated Aircraft Maintenance Squadron (CAMS) for about 16 years. We moved the unit from our old base at Clinton County AFB in Wilmington, Ohio, to Lockbourne - later Rickenbacker AFB - when Clinton County closed down.
A significant part of Ohio Air National Guard#Formation is duplicated closely, if not exactly, by 357th Fighter Group#Postwar history and heritage, which is not perhaps surprising as the OHANG was formed from remnants of 357th, when the latter was deactivated in 1946. I think that either the two articles should be merged, or if not, then the duplicate text should be removed from one of the articles, probably the 357th. Wikilinks between the two articles should remove the need to duplicate text. When text is duplicated in this fashion, it is inevitable that ongoing maintenance over time will result in differences developing between the two articles, causing confusion at best. -- Romney yw ( talk) 01:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
The OHANG article clearly suggests to me that OHANG was formed from the remnants of 357th FG. If you like OHANG is the last logical step in 357th history. However, after re-reading both articles in their current form in the light of comments here, I think we've got a pretty good solution without the duplicated text I was worried about. Agree merge is not required; I guess it's down to me to remove the "merge" templates?? -- Romney yw ( talk) 16:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I have recently noted a profusion of new info boxes in Air Guard articles. ALL are incorrect in denoting any federal links in the command structure. The guard is a state organization only. When their units deploy operationally, those units come under the federal chain of command for the period of time they are deployed, but the guard as a whole does not. The commander-in-chief of any state guard unit is the governor of the state. Thus, in this article, the commander in chief is the governor of Ohio. The POTUS and SECAF have no command authority over the OHANG. This is not just bantering of words. Federal law prohibits the deployment in combat, for instance, of Guard aircraft purchased with funds designated for Homeland Security, or which have a support mission for FEMA. In such instances, the buck stops with the governor, period. I will not edit the article until a period for discussion has passed, but it is in error, and you can't rationalize the use of errors in an encyclopedia, an entity devoted to fact.-- Reedmalloy ( talk) 15:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)