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The Gnostic Ogdoad is attributed as follows: The Abyss (Bythos) (masculine) gave rise to Silence (Grace/Thought) (feminine). They combined to give rise to Mind (masc.) and Truth (fem.). These are the Roots which bring forth the AEONS. Mind and Truth combined to create Word (masc.) and Life (fem.). Word and Life combined to bring forth Man (masc.) and "Church" (fem.). I prefer "The World" in place of "Church", or the passive substrate upon and within which Mankind operates.
I draw the symbol of the ogdoad
Bottom to Top: Abyss to Silence, Nun to Naunet (Nun and Naunet are attributed as the Primordial Waters) Left to Right: Mind to Truth, Kek to Keket (Darkness) Upper Right to Lower Left: Word to Life, Amon to Amaunet (Invisible Power) Upper Left to Lower Right: Man to World, Heh to Hehet (Infinity)
I find this to be a powerful invocation of Chaos forces, and color it according to my wishes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.140.122.3 ( talk • contribs) 19:38, March 10, 2005 (UTC)
Did the person who wrote "cosmogeny" really mean "cosmogony"? I have changed the spelling, under the belief that he/she did. Grantsky ( talk) 15:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I understand that for the genderless deities there is no need for two articles for the male and female aspects.... but is there any rhyme or reason to why the articles ended up at the male titles with female redirecting there? – cacahuate talk 03:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I've long thought that the Gnostic and Egyptian Ogdoads should have separate articles. Regardless of what the anonymous editor who posted at the top of this page may think, an ogdoad that pairs Depth with Silence, Mind with Truth, Word with Life, and Man with Church doesn't look much like an ogdoad that includes male and female versions of Formlessness, Darkness, Infinity, and Hiddenness. It is possible that the Egyptian concept influenced the Gnostic—I have seen reliable sources argue that some of the mystical imagery in certain Gnostic sects was drawn from Egyptian religion—but I've never seen an RS connect the two Ogdoads. Even if there is a connection, the two subjects aren't nearly similar enough to be covered in the same article. The Gnostics and their Ogdoad, mostly rooted in Christian mysticism and Greek philosophy, arose 2500 years after the first signs of the Egyptian Ogdoad (in the Pyramid Texts). They don't have much in common.
So how should these articles be divided? I don't know whether one topic is primary; they're both fairly obscure. I lean toward making the Ogdoad page a disambiguation, with links to "Ogdoad (Egyptian)" and "Ogdoad (Gnostic)". Does anyone agree or disagree? A. Parrot ( talk) 19:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Ogdoad (Gnosticism)/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
This sentence is unclear: The original version of the myth has the entity arising from the waters after the interaction as a mound of dirt, the Milky Way, which was deified as Hathor. |
Last edited at 12:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 01:44, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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The Gnostic Ogdoad is attributed as follows: The Abyss (Bythos) (masculine) gave rise to Silence (Grace/Thought) (feminine). They combined to give rise to Mind (masc.) and Truth (fem.). These are the Roots which bring forth the AEONS. Mind and Truth combined to create Word (masc.) and Life (fem.). Word and Life combined to bring forth Man (masc.) and "Church" (fem.). I prefer "The World" in place of "Church", or the passive substrate upon and within which Mankind operates.
I draw the symbol of the ogdoad
Bottom to Top: Abyss to Silence, Nun to Naunet (Nun and Naunet are attributed as the Primordial Waters) Left to Right: Mind to Truth, Kek to Keket (Darkness) Upper Right to Lower Left: Word to Life, Amon to Amaunet (Invisible Power) Upper Left to Lower Right: Man to World, Heh to Hehet (Infinity)
I find this to be a powerful invocation of Chaos forces, and color it according to my wishes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.140.122.3 ( talk • contribs) 19:38, March 10, 2005 (UTC)
Did the person who wrote "cosmogeny" really mean "cosmogony"? I have changed the spelling, under the belief that he/she did. Grantsky ( talk) 15:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I understand that for the genderless deities there is no need for two articles for the male and female aspects.... but is there any rhyme or reason to why the articles ended up at the male titles with female redirecting there? – cacahuate talk 03:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I've long thought that the Gnostic and Egyptian Ogdoads should have separate articles. Regardless of what the anonymous editor who posted at the top of this page may think, an ogdoad that pairs Depth with Silence, Mind with Truth, Word with Life, and Man with Church doesn't look much like an ogdoad that includes male and female versions of Formlessness, Darkness, Infinity, and Hiddenness. It is possible that the Egyptian concept influenced the Gnostic—I have seen reliable sources argue that some of the mystical imagery in certain Gnostic sects was drawn from Egyptian religion—but I've never seen an RS connect the two Ogdoads. Even if there is a connection, the two subjects aren't nearly similar enough to be covered in the same article. The Gnostics and their Ogdoad, mostly rooted in Christian mysticism and Greek philosophy, arose 2500 years after the first signs of the Egyptian Ogdoad (in the Pyramid Texts). They don't have much in common.
So how should these articles be divided? I don't know whether one topic is primary; they're both fairly obscure. I lean toward making the Ogdoad page a disambiguation, with links to "Ogdoad (Egyptian)" and "Ogdoad (Gnostic)". Does anyone agree or disagree? A. Parrot ( talk) 19:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Ogdoad (Gnosticism)/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
This sentence is unclear: The original version of the myth has the entity arising from the waters after the interaction as a mound of dirt, the Milky Way, which was deified as Hathor. |
Last edited at 12:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 01:44, 30 April 2016 (UTC)