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"PRISM is always located in the Bellevue school (elementary, middle, or high) with the lowest test scores, so as to raise the school's average test scores and make the school's statistics better."
- i deleted this because i feel offended. Prism continuation known as GATES Program will be located in interlake, largely because the convinient location and AP/IB combined courses, not because the reason mentioned above.
- I'm not going to edit anything but I had always heard this as one of the main reasons for locating the program at Stevenson and Odle. Neither school really had much else going for it that would have been a reason to locate that kind of program there.
It would help if PRISM AP and IB were defined. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
December 14, 2006 -CambridgeBayWeather, I added links to wikipedia articles about the IB and AP programs, this is probably sufficient for a passing mention, because neither AP or IB are offered at ODLE. (To take AP Calculus in PRISM, students usually had to travel to Bellevue High School for a class period. This might have changed, but I'd imagine the AP test would be administered in a High School at any rate.)
-As to the statement at the beginning of this talk page, it would be interesting if it was backed up with data. Something along the lines of "Prior to the introduction of PRISM, ODLE's test scores were poor." I can say that it's at least partially true for Interlake High School. IHS does not offer an Advanced Calculus course (there are two students in it during the 2006-2007 school year), whereas Bellevue High School, Newport High School, and Sammamish High School have at least one Advanced Calculus class each. A large portion of the student body failed the math portion of the WASL. But the influx of freshmen into AP Calc AB means there will need to be an advanced calc class in a few years. Remember, the official reason for continuing PRISM in IHS (instead of Sammamish High) was because the IB program better fit the district's aims. That may or may not be true, but prior to IHS's remodeling, it was, statistically at least, the more-worse high school in the Bellevue School District. Remember, there are stats that are not reported, such as student violence and the like.
If anyone wants to check out the statistics, compare SAT scores and number of AP/IB tests from each high school. IHS and SHS are similar in SAT scores (Interlake has better scores) but NHS and BHS are leagues above them.
Why weren't Bellevue High and Newport High considered for the program, again? (Overpopulation for BHS and Newport does not take students from outside it's area.)
At any rate, I see there is a case for thinking the same might have happened at ODLE and Stevenson, but to properly argue the point, one would need data from years past which may or may not be available.
Maybe school size had something to do with the whole affair? I was told there would be more than 150 PRISM students at ODLE during the 2006-2007 school year. -aleksey
-Actually, I searched and found this very nice tool. Peruse at your will statistics: Side By Side Comparison Tool. ODLE is not the best middle school in the BSD, statistically (see: Tyee). But as Odle is to Tyee, Highland is to Odle. -aleksey
This page has been kept following this AFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
You really can't be saying how wonderful a teacher is in a factual article about a school. Wikipedia may be editable by anyone, but it is expected that the information be factual and when possible attributed to reliable sources. I'll will edit that section later unless someone disagrees. -- Kraftlos 06:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I killed it because it had no place in an encyclopedia, no matter how true it is =) Unless someone can make a case for it, It really shouldn't be there. Now, if somebody wanted to make a page on some teachers... Well, I guess they have to be relevant. --Aleksey
This article seems pretty biased. it has a sentence or two about the advanteages and then says how much time prism takes up and uses about two paragraphs describing the negatives. If there is going to be a pro/con type thing, it should be written from a neutral perspective, no "biased facts".
It looks good how it's written now. It might appear to be a biased section in the eyes of people in the program, but you can't pull any punches there are opinions both for and against the program. I didn't go to these schools and have no opinion about the program, however I do have an interest in how our region is portrayed on wikipedia and am trying to make this article presentable. If you have a problem with the amount of content for and against, then you should add to the article yourself using valid sources (please don't use deletion to balance the article). Next time please sign your talk. Thanks ^^ -- Kraftlos 06:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Just to head this off now, please discuss deletion at the deletion discussion page, not here. Kraftlos ( talk) 07:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think that this image is encyclopaedic nor that it adds anything to the page. Therefore I removed it but the creator then re-added it. May I have other view, please? TerriersFan ( talk) 17:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad the picture was removed; I think it was an embarrassment and painted a bad picture of the portrayed teacher, who, in my opinion, is actually one of the best teachers at the school. @Kraftlos: He is in fact teaching, probably berating a student for his/her work. But nevertheless, a bad picture.
Presentiment ( talk) 23:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)Presentiment
However, him laughing about the picture doesn't mean encyclopedic. I can laugh at a joke, but that doesn't mean that joke deserves an article.
Presentiment ( talk) 01:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)Presentiment
That was the one I saw. But I think this section isn't really worth writing in anymore; the picture was removed.
Presentiment ( talk) 02:27, 12 January 2009 (UTC)Presentiment
I would like to discuss the notability of http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Odle_Middle_School&diff=244693944&oldid=244198570. Specifically, why is this one competition notable? Should we add the top finishers in all such competitions for all middle school articles before Wikipedia is complete? -- DerRichter ( talk) 06:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
The intro to the article says that the school was named after a teacher who taught there 55 years. What was the school called before they named the school after him? -- Kraftlos ( talk) 06:14, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
According to the MOS, we don't capitalize unless it would normally be capitalized. For example, we wouldn't make "Composition of the tribunals" read as "Composition Of The Tribunals" in the header. However, we also wouldn't make "President of the United States of America" read as "President of the united states of america". So, ask yourselves, would the text in the headers normally be capitalized? If an agreement can't be reached here, then look at Wikipedia:FA#Education and either figure it out or come up with different header titles. The next person to revert this article will be blocked for violating 3RR. لenna vecia 15:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Do you need written references for information in the article, or a non-recorded source be allowed? If they are, I could confirm all the statements that are marked with {{Fact}}
. Thanks, ~
electricRush (
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Is there a necessary reason for photos of teachers to be included in the article? I don't see how they are at all necessary. School pages should not be decorated with photos of students and staff like this, in my opinion. either way ( talk) 21:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Update: I have uploaded and added an image of the front entrance of the school. It is a bit foggy, and I will try to take another in the future. - electric Rush | Sign! 03:34, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I think that you should note that Odle Middle School is across the street from Stevenson Elementary, where the Elementary PRISM program is/was/will be held until the '09/'10 school year.
-- GradyN777 ( talk) 04:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Should this be displayed as a list? There is quite a lot of information that would be displayed well in that format. Jailerdaemon ( talk) 01:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
References 17-19 lead to the same link, which is the current Knowledge Master results. Could someone change it to old result links? Thanks. Math Cool 10 Sign here! 23:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
put la/ss 9 in. i feel discriminated against. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jailerdaemon ( talk • contribs) 01:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Someone must have vandalized the demographics section. It excludes Hispanic and African American students. It doesn't even match the source that is being used, which is a bad one anyways. This one should be used: http://www.bsd405.org/Default.aspx?tabid=127 . -- DerRichter ( talk) 04:18, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
"Academy courses are a more rigorous and in-depth option for over-achieving students rather than normal classes offered at Odle."
I have a problem with this sentence. By saying that Academy students are overachievers, the author of this sentence is making the assumption that generally, all Academy students receive good marks and are enthusiastic about school. I have been to this school, and I know from person experience that this is not necessarily the case. I would like to reword this sentence, but wanted to run it by the talk page first. I would say, "Academy courses are a more rigorous and in-depth option that students can opt to take as an alternative to normal classes offered at Odle."
WorldCupDude ( talk) 02:21, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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"PRISM is always located in the Bellevue school (elementary, middle, or high) with the lowest test scores, so as to raise the school's average test scores and make the school's statistics better."
- i deleted this because i feel offended. Prism continuation known as GATES Program will be located in interlake, largely because the convinient location and AP/IB combined courses, not because the reason mentioned above.
- I'm not going to edit anything but I had always heard this as one of the main reasons for locating the program at Stevenson and Odle. Neither school really had much else going for it that would have been a reason to locate that kind of program there.
It would help if PRISM AP and IB were defined. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
December 14, 2006 -CambridgeBayWeather, I added links to wikipedia articles about the IB and AP programs, this is probably sufficient for a passing mention, because neither AP or IB are offered at ODLE. (To take AP Calculus in PRISM, students usually had to travel to Bellevue High School for a class period. This might have changed, but I'd imagine the AP test would be administered in a High School at any rate.)
-As to the statement at the beginning of this talk page, it would be interesting if it was backed up with data. Something along the lines of "Prior to the introduction of PRISM, ODLE's test scores were poor." I can say that it's at least partially true for Interlake High School. IHS does not offer an Advanced Calculus course (there are two students in it during the 2006-2007 school year), whereas Bellevue High School, Newport High School, and Sammamish High School have at least one Advanced Calculus class each. A large portion of the student body failed the math portion of the WASL. But the influx of freshmen into AP Calc AB means there will need to be an advanced calc class in a few years. Remember, the official reason for continuing PRISM in IHS (instead of Sammamish High) was because the IB program better fit the district's aims. That may or may not be true, but prior to IHS's remodeling, it was, statistically at least, the more-worse high school in the Bellevue School District. Remember, there are stats that are not reported, such as student violence and the like.
If anyone wants to check out the statistics, compare SAT scores and number of AP/IB tests from each high school. IHS and SHS are similar in SAT scores (Interlake has better scores) but NHS and BHS are leagues above them.
Why weren't Bellevue High and Newport High considered for the program, again? (Overpopulation for BHS and Newport does not take students from outside it's area.)
At any rate, I see there is a case for thinking the same might have happened at ODLE and Stevenson, but to properly argue the point, one would need data from years past which may or may not be available.
Maybe school size had something to do with the whole affair? I was told there would be more than 150 PRISM students at ODLE during the 2006-2007 school year. -aleksey
-Actually, I searched and found this very nice tool. Peruse at your will statistics: Side By Side Comparison Tool. ODLE is not the best middle school in the BSD, statistically (see: Tyee). But as Odle is to Tyee, Highland is to Odle. -aleksey
This page has been kept following this AFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
You really can't be saying how wonderful a teacher is in a factual article about a school. Wikipedia may be editable by anyone, but it is expected that the information be factual and when possible attributed to reliable sources. I'll will edit that section later unless someone disagrees. -- Kraftlos 06:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I killed it because it had no place in an encyclopedia, no matter how true it is =) Unless someone can make a case for it, It really shouldn't be there. Now, if somebody wanted to make a page on some teachers... Well, I guess they have to be relevant. --Aleksey
This article seems pretty biased. it has a sentence or two about the advanteages and then says how much time prism takes up and uses about two paragraphs describing the negatives. If there is going to be a pro/con type thing, it should be written from a neutral perspective, no "biased facts".
It looks good how it's written now. It might appear to be a biased section in the eyes of people in the program, but you can't pull any punches there are opinions both for and against the program. I didn't go to these schools and have no opinion about the program, however I do have an interest in how our region is portrayed on wikipedia and am trying to make this article presentable. If you have a problem with the amount of content for and against, then you should add to the article yourself using valid sources (please don't use deletion to balance the article). Next time please sign your talk. Thanks ^^ -- Kraftlos 06:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Just to head this off now, please discuss deletion at the deletion discussion page, not here. Kraftlos ( talk) 07:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think that this image is encyclopaedic nor that it adds anything to the page. Therefore I removed it but the creator then re-added it. May I have other view, please? TerriersFan ( talk) 17:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad the picture was removed; I think it was an embarrassment and painted a bad picture of the portrayed teacher, who, in my opinion, is actually one of the best teachers at the school. @Kraftlos: He is in fact teaching, probably berating a student for his/her work. But nevertheless, a bad picture.
Presentiment ( talk) 23:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)Presentiment
However, him laughing about the picture doesn't mean encyclopedic. I can laugh at a joke, but that doesn't mean that joke deserves an article.
Presentiment ( talk) 01:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)Presentiment
That was the one I saw. But I think this section isn't really worth writing in anymore; the picture was removed.
Presentiment ( talk) 02:27, 12 January 2009 (UTC)Presentiment
I would like to discuss the notability of http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Odle_Middle_School&diff=244693944&oldid=244198570. Specifically, why is this one competition notable? Should we add the top finishers in all such competitions for all middle school articles before Wikipedia is complete? -- DerRichter ( talk) 06:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
The intro to the article says that the school was named after a teacher who taught there 55 years. What was the school called before they named the school after him? -- Kraftlos ( talk) 06:14, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
According to the MOS, we don't capitalize unless it would normally be capitalized. For example, we wouldn't make "Composition of the tribunals" read as "Composition Of The Tribunals" in the header. However, we also wouldn't make "President of the United States of America" read as "President of the united states of america". So, ask yourselves, would the text in the headers normally be capitalized? If an agreement can't be reached here, then look at Wikipedia:FA#Education and either figure it out or come up with different header titles. The next person to revert this article will be blocked for violating 3RR. لenna vecia 15:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Do you need written references for information in the article, or a non-recorded source be allowed? If they are, I could confirm all the statements that are marked with {{Fact}}
. Thanks, ~
electricRush (
T
C) 01:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Is there a necessary reason for photos of teachers to be included in the article? I don't see how they are at all necessary. School pages should not be decorated with photos of students and staff like this, in my opinion. either way ( talk) 21:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Update: I have uploaded and added an image of the front entrance of the school. It is a bit foggy, and I will try to take another in the future. - electric Rush | Sign! 03:34, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I think that you should note that Odle Middle School is across the street from Stevenson Elementary, where the Elementary PRISM program is/was/will be held until the '09/'10 school year.
-- GradyN777 ( talk) 04:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Should this be displayed as a list? There is quite a lot of information that would be displayed well in that format. Jailerdaemon ( talk) 01:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
References 17-19 lead to the same link, which is the current Knowledge Master results. Could someone change it to old result links? Thanks. Math Cool 10 Sign here! 23:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
put la/ss 9 in. i feel discriminated against. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jailerdaemon ( talk • contribs) 01:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Someone must have vandalized the demographics section. It excludes Hispanic and African American students. It doesn't even match the source that is being used, which is a bad one anyways. This one should be used: http://www.bsd405.org/Default.aspx?tabid=127 . -- DerRichter ( talk) 04:18, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
"Academy courses are a more rigorous and in-depth option for over-achieving students rather than normal classes offered at Odle."
I have a problem with this sentence. By saying that Academy students are overachievers, the author of this sentence is making the assumption that generally, all Academy students receive good marks and are enthusiastic about school. I have been to this school, and I know from person experience that this is not necessarily the case. I would like to reword this sentence, but wanted to run it by the talk page first. I would say, "Academy courses are a more rigorous and in-depth option that students can opt to take as an alternative to normal classes offered at Odle."
WorldCupDude ( talk) 02:21, 29 November 2011 (UTC)