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It seems that Oceanus was considered to be the original source of all the gods by many.
My evidence for this is Homer himself:
"I [Hera] am going to the ends of the generous earth, on a visit to Okeanos, whence the gods have come, and Tethys our mother, who brought me up kindly in their own house, and cared for me. I shall go to visit these, and resolve their division of discord, since now for a long time they have stayed apart from each other and from the bed of love, since rancour has entered their feelings." - Homer, Iliad 14.300
Any other one of the gods, whose race is immortal, I [Hypnos] would lightly put to sleep, even the stream of that River Okeanos, whence is risen the seed of all the immortals." - Homer, Iliad 14.244
"Okeanos I call, whose nature ever flows, from whom at first both Gods and men arose." - Orphic Hymn 83 to Oceanus
Also there is evidence outside Homer:
"Okeanos I call, whose nature ever flows, from whom at first both Gods and men arose." - Orphic Hymn 83 to Oceanus
It is clear that many veiwed Oceanus as the source of the gods. I think that this is an importan aspect of the character of Oceanus. Just because this myth was ognored by Hesiod does not mean that we should ignore it. I think that this is important enough and relevant enough to be included in the article.
The Prime Source 21:03, 29 April 2007 (UTC)Dale
Removed the following here:
Part of the Danubius or Istros river was also known as (together with the Black Sea) the Okeanos in ancient times, the lower Danube being called the Okeanos Potamos (Okeanos River)." No, the "Ocean Stream" encircles the world.
I took some text out of the introduction and made a section called "Excerpts from Hesiod and Homer".
The text says "In most variations of the war between the Titans and the Olympians, or Titanomachy, Oceanus, along with Prometheus and Themis, did not take the side of his fellow Titans against the Olympians, but instead withdrew from the conflict. In most variations of this myth, Oceanus also refused to side with Cronus in the latter's revolt against their father, Uranus." Which variations? Sources are needed here.
I know it's clear but I think it would be worth adding some information on art, particularly on Oceanus being the main character in the Trevi Fountain.
ICE77 ( talk) 04:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
The text says "When Oceanus tossed the bowl about, Heracles threatened him and stilled his waves."
Why did Heracles throw the bowl? Would threatening Oceanus be considered hubris?
ICE77 ( talk) 07:41, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Oceanus was originally stated and worshiped by many as a Protogenoi god and the son of Chaos and Gaia 82.17.221.173 ( talk) 17:44, 13 May 2020 (UTC) [1] 82.17.221.173 ( talk) 19:39, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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It seems that Oceanus was considered to be the original source of all the gods by many.
My evidence for this is Homer himself:
"I [Hera] am going to the ends of the generous earth, on a visit to Okeanos, whence the gods have come, and Tethys our mother, who brought me up kindly in their own house, and cared for me. I shall go to visit these, and resolve their division of discord, since now for a long time they have stayed apart from each other and from the bed of love, since rancour has entered their feelings." - Homer, Iliad 14.300
Any other one of the gods, whose race is immortal, I [Hypnos] would lightly put to sleep, even the stream of that River Okeanos, whence is risen the seed of all the immortals." - Homer, Iliad 14.244
"Okeanos I call, whose nature ever flows, from whom at first both Gods and men arose." - Orphic Hymn 83 to Oceanus
Also there is evidence outside Homer:
"Okeanos I call, whose nature ever flows, from whom at first both Gods and men arose." - Orphic Hymn 83 to Oceanus
It is clear that many veiwed Oceanus as the source of the gods. I think that this is an importan aspect of the character of Oceanus. Just because this myth was ognored by Hesiod does not mean that we should ignore it. I think that this is important enough and relevant enough to be included in the article.
The Prime Source 21:03, 29 April 2007 (UTC)Dale
Removed the following here:
Part of the Danubius or Istros river was also known as (together with the Black Sea) the Okeanos in ancient times, the lower Danube being called the Okeanos Potamos (Okeanos River)." No, the "Ocean Stream" encircles the world.
I took some text out of the introduction and made a section called "Excerpts from Hesiod and Homer".
The text says "In most variations of the war between the Titans and the Olympians, or Titanomachy, Oceanus, along with Prometheus and Themis, did not take the side of his fellow Titans against the Olympians, but instead withdrew from the conflict. In most variations of this myth, Oceanus also refused to side with Cronus in the latter's revolt against their father, Uranus." Which variations? Sources are needed here.
I know it's clear but I think it would be worth adding some information on art, particularly on Oceanus being the main character in the Trevi Fountain.
ICE77 ( talk) 04:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
The text says "When Oceanus tossed the bowl about, Heracles threatened him and stilled his waves."
Why did Heracles throw the bowl? Would threatening Oceanus be considered hubris?
ICE77 ( talk) 07:41, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Oceanus was originally stated and worshiped by many as a Protogenoi god and the son of Chaos and Gaia 82.17.221.173 ( talk) 17:44, 13 May 2020 (UTC) [1] 82.17.221.173 ( talk) 19:39, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
References
References
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 14 August 2023 and 8 December 2023. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Thoughtsofamermaid (
article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Venusweet ( talk) 12:32, 26 November 2023 (UTC)