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I was reading the section on burnout being conceptually similar to depression. I was wondering whether this would be a good idea to mention at the introductory paragraph as well? Considering how synonymous they both are, the fact that algorithms usually use introductory material, and just how important this point would be for people trying to figure out how to 'resolve' there burnout (where this is little literature, but there is a vast literature in depression). Just a suggestion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Robot 2020 ( talk • contribs) 13:55, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
My own understanding is that burnout can be largely understood as a form of stress-triggered depression. I have no objection to someone writing something more about that. Regarding the "little literature", you may note the newly expanded treatment section of this entry, that aims to refer to what does exist :-) Among other things, it now directs people to the depression treatment page. Transient-understanding ( talk) 04:44, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
I would like to avoid an edit war with user:Coastalalerts about the relation of occupational burnout to depression.
Older research suggests that BO and depression are separate entities. Newer research suggests that there is substantial overlap. One key to this controversy is the problem of comparing scores on dimensional BO scales like exhaustion to the presence/absence of a depression diagnosis. That kind of comparison is problematic because any relation between a continuous factor like BO's exhaustion to a binary entity like depressive disorder present/absent will have a smaller correlation than the relation between two continuous factors.
Recent research on psychopathology (cited in the latest version of the occupational BO article) indicates that depression is better conceptualized as a dimension (on a continuum) than as a taxon. The latest, most methodologically advanced research (also cited in the article), which treats BO and depression as continuous entities, reveals very high correlations, r >= 0.80. In the social sciences, correlations that high suggest that the two measures involved reflect the same underlying entity. In addition, methodologically advanced research (also cited in the article) that relies on structural equation modeling bifactor analysis, which takes a granular look at the items in BO and depression scales, suggests the BO's exhaustion items and depression items reflect the same entity. Iss246 ( talk) 20:10, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I propose to move the caregiver BO section of this article to the article devoted to caregiver stress. I also proposal to move the autistic BO section of this article to the autism article. The way these two phenomena are described indicates that they are not subtypes of occupational BO, the subject that is the concern of this article. I will wait a few days in order to find out what other WP editors have to say before deciding to move forward with the idea. I hope to hear from other editors. Iss246 ( talk) 20:06, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
User:Transient-understanding, you could be right but what are the sources for your claiming that autistic BO is work-related? Iss246 ( talk) 17:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@ EdJohnston: Can this protection of the article be lifted. It looks like it expired several days ago? Coastalalerts ( talk) 23:05, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm moving these two subsections here, so it will be easy for someone to copy them to another article, if another article can be found. I have removed these because the connection to occupational burnout is doubtful and unclear, especially in the case of "diabetes burnout", which has nothing to do with anyone's work situation.
It might be necessary to review the sources before trying to place them in another article. It looks like one of the sources here is a video posted to Facebook, and another is a blog post. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 06:18, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
"Autistic burnout" is a term used to describe burnout when it occurs in people with Autistic Spectrum Disorder (ASD). [1] In this population, in addition to the typical symptoms it can cause "autistic regression," an increase of autistic symptoms. It is "regression" in the sense that the afflicted has typically had a similarly high level of symptoms in the distant past, and the burnout is perceived to be regressing them to this earlier state. It is also known as "decompensation", because the compensations the person usually makes are no longer being made.
Such burnout sometimes leads to permanent disability or suicidal behavior. citation needed It need not be caused by workplace stress, but can also be caused by the stress of social interaction or other sources. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Spoon theory is sometimes used to understand people in this situation. [7]
Bodies such as the United States government's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, [8] the American Diabetes Association, [9] and Diabetes Singapore [10] identify and promote the phenomenon of "diabetes burnout." This relates to the self-care of people with diabetes, particularly those with type-2 diabetes. "Diabetes burnout speaks to the physical and emotional exhaustion that people with diabetes experience when they have to deal with caring for themselves on a day-to-day basis. When you have to do so many things to stay in control then it does take a toll on your emotions... Once they get frustrated, some of them give up and stop (maintaining) a healthy diet, taking their medications regularly, going for exercises and this will result in poor diabetes control." [10]
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Iss246 has proposed that an in-press, unpublished journal article should be included as a reference. @ WhatamIdoing: or anyone else, is this possible and if so, how should it be worded to indicate to readers of the article that it has not been published and is still in-press. Coastalalerts ( talk) 23:11, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
I have three thoughts I would like to express.
First, and most importantly, I am sorry that I didn't realize how much the editorial disagreement on this page, a disagreement in which I was involved, would get out of hand.
Second, I want to be clear about something that has been a source of contention. Originally Ohpres added the reference to the 14-sample study (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Occupational_burnout&diff=991963261&oldid=991957290) to the occupational BO entry. I did not add the reference nor did I write the original text describing the study. What I did do was edit for clarity the text explaining the reference.
Third, to respond to another query, the “in press” reference in question, like many other “in press” references, appeared on ResearchGate, a website that I would describe as Facebook for scientists. Iss246 ( talk) 00:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
I was reading the section on burnout being conceptually similar to depression. I was wondering whether this would be a good idea to mention at the introductory paragraph as well? Considering how synonymous they both are, the fact that algorithms usually use introductory material, and just how important this point would be for people trying to figure out how to 'resolve' there burnout (where this is little literature, but there is a vast literature in depression). Just a suggestion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Robot 2020 ( talk • contribs) 13:55, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
My own understanding is that burnout can be largely understood as a form of stress-triggered depression. I have no objection to someone writing something more about that. Regarding the "little literature", you may note the newly expanded treatment section of this entry, that aims to refer to what does exist :-) Among other things, it now directs people to the depression treatment page. Transient-understanding ( talk) 04:44, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
I would like to avoid an edit war with user:Coastalalerts about the relation of occupational burnout to depression.
Older research suggests that BO and depression are separate entities. Newer research suggests that there is substantial overlap. One key to this controversy is the problem of comparing scores on dimensional BO scales like exhaustion to the presence/absence of a depression diagnosis. That kind of comparison is problematic because any relation between a continuous factor like BO's exhaustion to a binary entity like depressive disorder present/absent will have a smaller correlation than the relation between two continuous factors.
Recent research on psychopathology (cited in the latest version of the occupational BO article) indicates that depression is better conceptualized as a dimension (on a continuum) than as a taxon. The latest, most methodologically advanced research (also cited in the article), which treats BO and depression as continuous entities, reveals very high correlations, r >= 0.80. In the social sciences, correlations that high suggest that the two measures involved reflect the same underlying entity. In addition, methodologically advanced research (also cited in the article) that relies on structural equation modeling bifactor analysis, which takes a granular look at the items in BO and depression scales, suggests the BO's exhaustion items and depression items reflect the same entity. Iss246 ( talk) 20:10, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I propose to move the caregiver BO section of this article to the article devoted to caregiver stress. I also proposal to move the autistic BO section of this article to the autism article. The way these two phenomena are described indicates that they are not subtypes of occupational BO, the subject that is the concern of this article. I will wait a few days in order to find out what other WP editors have to say before deciding to move forward with the idea. I hope to hear from other editors. Iss246 ( talk) 20:06, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
User:Transient-understanding, you could be right but what are the sources for your claiming that autistic BO is work-related? Iss246 ( talk) 17:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@ EdJohnston: Can this protection of the article be lifted. It looks like it expired several days ago? Coastalalerts ( talk) 23:05, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm moving these two subsections here, so it will be easy for someone to copy them to another article, if another article can be found. I have removed these because the connection to occupational burnout is doubtful and unclear, especially in the case of "diabetes burnout", which has nothing to do with anyone's work situation.
It might be necessary to review the sources before trying to place them in another article. It looks like one of the sources here is a video posted to Facebook, and another is a blog post. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 06:18, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
"Autistic burnout" is a term used to describe burnout when it occurs in people with Autistic Spectrum Disorder (ASD). [1] In this population, in addition to the typical symptoms it can cause "autistic regression," an increase of autistic symptoms. It is "regression" in the sense that the afflicted has typically had a similarly high level of symptoms in the distant past, and the burnout is perceived to be regressing them to this earlier state. It is also known as "decompensation", because the compensations the person usually makes are no longer being made.
Such burnout sometimes leads to permanent disability or suicidal behavior. citation needed It need not be caused by workplace stress, but can also be caused by the stress of social interaction or other sources. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Spoon theory is sometimes used to understand people in this situation. [7]
Bodies such as the United States government's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, [8] the American Diabetes Association, [9] and Diabetes Singapore [10] identify and promote the phenomenon of "diabetes burnout." This relates to the self-care of people with diabetes, particularly those with type-2 diabetes. "Diabetes burnout speaks to the physical and emotional exhaustion that people with diabetes experience when they have to deal with caring for themselves on a day-to-day basis. When you have to do so many things to stay in control then it does take a toll on your emotions... Once they get frustrated, some of them give up and stop (maintaining) a healthy diet, taking their medications regularly, going for exercises and this will result in poor diabetes control." [10]
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link)
Iss246 has proposed that an in-press, unpublished journal article should be included as a reference. @ WhatamIdoing: or anyone else, is this possible and if so, how should it be worded to indicate to readers of the article that it has not been published and is still in-press. Coastalalerts ( talk) 23:11, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
I have three thoughts I would like to express.
First, and most importantly, I am sorry that I didn't realize how much the editorial disagreement on this page, a disagreement in which I was involved, would get out of hand.
Second, I want to be clear about something that has been a source of contention. Originally Ohpres added the reference to the 14-sample study (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Occupational_burnout&diff=991963261&oldid=991957290) to the occupational BO entry. I did not add the reference nor did I write the original text describing the study. What I did do was edit for clarity the text explaining the reference.
Third, to respond to another query, the “in press” reference in question, like many other “in press” references, appeared on ResearchGate, a website that I would describe as Facebook for scientists. Iss246 ( talk) 00:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)