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I'm not wanting to get into an edit-war here, but clearly a couple of things need addressing. Firstly, regarding WP:RS; webzines fail this outright unless their content has been published elsewhere by an otherwise reliable third-part source (generally in print). As far as I can tell, MetalSucks appears to fail this, although a 2015 consensus appears to feel that many contributors to MetalSucks are in fact published professional journalists elsewhere - this would justify the inclusion of its content. However - in order to include a section in the lede of this article suggesting that "doom rock" and "witch rock" are synonyms for "occult rock" (and are not just [[WP:NEO|neologisms) there would need to be a source stating *explicitly* that these terms are used interchangeably by music journalists. A cursory search easily demonstrates that this is not the case. The second source provided here, from Blabbermouth - a source that does in fact pass WP:RS, contains the following opening paragraph: "Have flute, will travel, and Toronto's BLOOD CEREMONY gets a lot of mileage out of the instrument on its self-titled debut album. A fascination with 70s occult rock — or "witch rock" in this case — that pays homage to acts like COVEN, AFFINITY, and BLACK WIDOW drives the vehicle, while the style clearly combines early BLACK SABBATH and JETHRO TULL." Nowhere in these two sentences does it suggest that occult rock and "witch rock" are synonymous, or indeed that anyone regards "witch rock" as a legitimate genre descriptor; the inverted commas in the original source rather give this away. Unless some actual sources discussing these terms as being legitimate synonyms for occult rock, I move that we scrub them from the lede. Blackmetalbaz ( talk) 18:06, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
As there was almost an edit war between me and one other user on the List of occult rock bands, and as he cited this article as the source that doom, witch and occult rock are the same. Pretty much all sources I have found, including Patheos article cited above, use "witch rock" to describe, citing Patheos, "Occult-laced low-fi hard rock with female vocals and psychedelic influences". So, it seems to me that "witch rock" is a subgenre of occult rock and not exactly a synonym. A minor complaint, but it still needs to be corrected, IMHO :)
As for the "doom rock" being used as a synonym for "occult rock", I see much bigger problems. Most of the mentions of the two "genres" being the same is from the sites simply copying this Wikipedia article. As somebody who is into hard rock music for about decade an a half, I can say doom rock (as well as "downer rock"), as oposed to doom metal, was never widely used as a genre descriptor, but when it was used to describe late-60s/early-70s heavy psych/blues/hard rock bands, usually having darker sound than other bands of the era, but not quite achieving heaviness of bands such as Black Sabbath or later doom metal bands (bands like Bloodrock, Icecross, Zior/Monument etc.). Since the (pseudo-)"70s hard rock" revival (you know, a lot of stoner rock/metal and modernized heavy psych actually sounding pretty modern, with some notable exceptions like Vidunder aside), I see the term used slightly more often, and many times in relationship with bands that use occult thematics in lyrics. However, I struggled to find any mention that doom rock and occult rock are excactly synonyms. The closest I could found is that both terms are used for the same band, but that doesn't mean nothing, as I can find terms doom, stoner and sludge used for the same band much more often and those are certainly not the same thing. StjepanHR ( talk) 18:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
As for the references mentioning occult and doom rock as the same, my reply would be the following:
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I'm not wanting to get into an edit-war here, but clearly a couple of things need addressing. Firstly, regarding WP:RS; webzines fail this outright unless their content has been published elsewhere by an otherwise reliable third-part source (generally in print). As far as I can tell, MetalSucks appears to fail this, although a 2015 consensus appears to feel that many contributors to MetalSucks are in fact published professional journalists elsewhere - this would justify the inclusion of its content. However - in order to include a section in the lede of this article suggesting that "doom rock" and "witch rock" are synonyms for "occult rock" (and are not just [[WP:NEO|neologisms) there would need to be a source stating *explicitly* that these terms are used interchangeably by music journalists. A cursory search easily demonstrates that this is not the case. The second source provided here, from Blabbermouth - a source that does in fact pass WP:RS, contains the following opening paragraph: "Have flute, will travel, and Toronto's BLOOD CEREMONY gets a lot of mileage out of the instrument on its self-titled debut album. A fascination with 70s occult rock — or "witch rock" in this case — that pays homage to acts like COVEN, AFFINITY, and BLACK WIDOW drives the vehicle, while the style clearly combines early BLACK SABBATH and JETHRO TULL." Nowhere in these two sentences does it suggest that occult rock and "witch rock" are synonymous, or indeed that anyone regards "witch rock" as a legitimate genre descriptor; the inverted commas in the original source rather give this away. Unless some actual sources discussing these terms as being legitimate synonyms for occult rock, I move that we scrub them from the lede. Blackmetalbaz ( talk) 18:06, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
As there was almost an edit war between me and one other user on the List of occult rock bands, and as he cited this article as the source that doom, witch and occult rock are the same. Pretty much all sources I have found, including Patheos article cited above, use "witch rock" to describe, citing Patheos, "Occult-laced low-fi hard rock with female vocals and psychedelic influences". So, it seems to me that "witch rock" is a subgenre of occult rock and not exactly a synonym. A minor complaint, but it still needs to be corrected, IMHO :)
As for the "doom rock" being used as a synonym for "occult rock", I see much bigger problems. Most of the mentions of the two "genres" being the same is from the sites simply copying this Wikipedia article. As somebody who is into hard rock music for about decade an a half, I can say doom rock (as well as "downer rock"), as oposed to doom metal, was never widely used as a genre descriptor, but when it was used to describe late-60s/early-70s heavy psych/blues/hard rock bands, usually having darker sound than other bands of the era, but not quite achieving heaviness of bands such as Black Sabbath or later doom metal bands (bands like Bloodrock, Icecross, Zior/Monument etc.). Since the (pseudo-)"70s hard rock" revival (you know, a lot of stoner rock/metal and modernized heavy psych actually sounding pretty modern, with some notable exceptions like Vidunder aside), I see the term used slightly more often, and many times in relationship with bands that use occult thematics in lyrics. However, I struggled to find any mention that doom rock and occult rock are excactly synonyms. The closest I could found is that both terms are used for the same band, but that doesn't mean nothing, as I can find terms doom, stoner and sludge used for the same band much more often and those are certainly not the same thing. StjepanHR ( talk) 18:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
As for the references mentioning occult and doom rock as the same, my reply would be the following: