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Hi! I am going to be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have the full review up shortly. Dana boomer ( talk) 17:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
i think this article need a more ingoing description about the murders and about oba chandler. this is one of the state of floridas most famous murders-- Matrix17 16:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
maybe it could be possible to put up a photo fo oba.or maybe of hes victims...-- Matrix17 20:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
well it has been done with Laci Peterson ,she even has her own article for example. but maybe you right maybe wrong i dont know.-- Matrix17 22:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
isnt it a bit sleazy then to have a article on a dead person, even if the case is notable like laci peterson? but i dont know.
I've removed this statement from the article:
"Oba Chandler is still a prime suspect in at least two other similar cases."
It was marked as needing a citation since February. It seems like, if it's true, a citation would be easy enough to dig up. Otherwise, it's libellous and not cool. Jessicapierce 15:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Then all stories on killers and so on should be removed due to that no one actuallty knows if they killed the persons. We cant raise suspicions with out real proof right? i mean how can WE know that they actually have killed a person?haha-- Matrix17 19:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I have put in a execution date that i found dont know if it is a actuall date. If anyone finds the accurate date please insert it in the article.-- Matrix17 22:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
In response to the request on my talk page, here are a few thoughts I have on the article. This is not a GA review, simply a list of things that need to be improved on the article for it to be of GA or FA status.
Overall, the prose and layout of the article appears to be much improved over my last GA review. My suggestion would be to do some more work on the references, and then nominate this article for GA status. The GA review can often highlight problems that would be grounds for immediate "opposes" during FAC. If you have more questions, please let me know! Dana boomer ( talk) 21:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
In the subsection "Second suspect", a seemingly random change of focus takes place and needs to be clarified: "The second suspect theory is belied by Chandler's approach of two Canadian women; that he had the willingness to approach more than one potential target by himself.[28] John Rogers was released on parole in 2004, but is estranged from the rest of the Rogers family." The next paragraph then mentions initial suspicion against Rogers, and an incident of abuse against one of the victims (?), but other than the brief mention highlighted above, his name does not appear anywhere else in the article. Could some info be missing from a previous version? María ( habla con migo) 21:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I have re-nominated the article for GA, after looking trough some old nominations by some users sutch as an GA and a Peer review i have found that all concerns has been taken care of also the concerns from Dana Boomer above has been taken care of by a number of editors. Thats why i believe this article is GA ready and among the better crime articles on Wikipedia.-- ÅlandÖland ( talk) 13:59, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I've reviewed this article's nomination for good article status, and I'm pleased to say that I promoted it today. Well done to all who contributed! AGK 12:50, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
I have now nominated the article for FA status as i believe that it passes trough all the FA criterias. Also as a crime article it is really good and among the better ones on Wikipedia.-- ÅlandÖland ( talk) 12:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Oba Chandlers execution has been set for November 15, if the execution goes ahead as planned there will be alot of edits that day.-- BabbaQ ( talk) 18:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Lots of helpful articles. Very well done. Manny may ( talk) 22:19, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Could somebody please correct and update the "Execution" section where it refers to his appeal to the Florida Supreme Court? The article says "This appeal was heard in a court in Tallahassee at 9:00 AM on November 9, 2011." That is not accurate.
The Court originally scheduled oral arguments on his appeal for November 9, but on November 3, the Court cancelled oral argument. http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/11/11-2055/Filed_11-03-2011_Order_Cancelling_Arguments.pdf
The Florida Supreme Court then denied Chandler's appeal on November 7, 2011 without ever having any hearing or oral argument. http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/11/11-2055/Filed_11-07-2011_Order.pdf
I would make these corrections myself, but I am not sure how to add to the "references" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.157.91.64 ( talk) 19:15, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
...the biography is very well written; this is excellent work in my humble opinion. I came across it randomly. Take a bow all who've contributed. 86.41.2.94 ( talk) 23:45, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
My own personal preference when discussing court cases is to use language like "Oba Chandler is an american man convicted and executed for the murder of..." as opposed to "Oba Chandler is a murderer". I realize he was convicted, but to me, I think it's better to stick to things that we can know for sure. There's always a possibility with any case that someone could be wrongfully convicted and not truly be a murderer. But we can know for sure that he was convicted. Also, the section that says "Chandler lured Canadian tourist Judy Blair onto his boat". To me, the language is a little bit presumptive. How do we know he lured her as opposed to simply asking her if she wanted to go for a ride? It takes facts and paints them in a certain light. I think it would be more accurate to say "Judy Blair stated..." I feel like it improves the neutrality of the article to present the facts in this light. I didn't alter the article myself because I'm not terribly familiar with the case and don't have time to devote to it now. How does everyone else feel about this? Bali88 ( talk) 03:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
A photo of the bound, decomposing hands and arms of one of the victims is being used to illustrate this article. I'm not squeamish, but it seems unnecessary to illustrate the article since there are three other photos and Wiki policy is to minimize the number of photos. Also seems a bit disrespectful to the victim, particularly since there is no photo of the victim as a living person. I normally don't see photos of victims' decomposed bodies on Wikipedia; rather they usually seem to be in the source material that is linked from the article. The decomposition of the body is also not some big unusual feature of a crime (decomposed bodies are found all the time). Does anyone else feel that this photo crosses the line a bit/ is unnecessary? TheBlinkster ( talk) 17:42, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Oba Chandlers execution has been set for November 15, if the execution goes ahead as planned there will be alot of edits that day.-- BabbaQ ( talk) 18:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Lots of helpful articles. Very well done. Manny may ( talk) 22:19, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Could somebody please correct and update the "Execution" section where it refers to his appeal to the Florida Supreme Court? The article says "This appeal was heard in a court in Tallahassee at 9:00 AM on November 9, 2011." That is not accurate.
The Court originally scheduled oral arguments on his appeal for November 9, but on November 3, the Court cancelled oral argument. http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/11/11-2055/Filed_11-03-2011_Order_Cancelling_Arguments.pdf
The Florida Supreme Court then denied Chandler's appeal on November 7, 2011 without ever having any hearing or oral argument. http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/11/11-2055/Filed_11-07-2011_Order.pdf
I would make these corrections myself, but I am not sure how to add to the "references" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.157.91.64 ( talk) 19:15, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
...the biography is very well written; this is excellent work in my humble opinion. I came across it randomly. Take a bow all who've contributed. 86.41.2.94 ( talk) 23:45, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
My own personal preference when discussing court cases is to use language like "Oba Chandler is an american man convicted and executed for the murder of..." as opposed to "Oba Chandler is a murderer". I realize he was convicted, but to me, I think it's better to stick to things that we can know for sure. There's always a possibility with any case that someone could be wrongfully convicted and not truly be a murderer. But we can know for sure that he was convicted. Also, the section that says "Chandler lured Canadian tourist Judy Blair onto his boat". To me, the language is a little bit presumptive. How do we know he lured her as opposed to simply asking her if she wanted to go for a ride? It takes facts and paints them in a certain light. I think it would be more accurate to say "Judy Blair stated..." I feel like it improves the neutrality of the article to present the facts in this light. I didn't alter the article myself because I'm not terribly familiar with the case and don't have time to devote to it now. How does everyone else feel about this? Bali88 ( talk) 03:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
A photo of the bound, decomposing hands and arms of one of the victims is being used to illustrate this article. I'm not squeamish, but it seems unnecessary to illustrate the article since there are three other photos and Wiki policy is to minimize the number of photos. Also seems a bit disrespectful to the victim, particularly since there is no photo of the victim as a living person. I normally don't see photos of victims' decomposed bodies on Wikipedia; rather they usually seem to be in the source material that is linked from the article. The decomposition of the body is also not some big unusual feature of a crime (decomposed bodies are found all the time). Does anyone else feel that this photo crosses the line a bit/ is unnecessary? TheBlinkster ( talk) 17:42, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
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I want to say thank you to everyone that has helped to improve this article over the years. It is really interesting and good now. -- BabbaQ ( talk) 17:36, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
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Hi! I am going to be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have the full review up shortly. Dana boomer ( talk) 17:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
i think this article need a more ingoing description about the murders and about oba chandler. this is one of the state of floridas most famous murders-- Matrix17 16:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
maybe it could be possible to put up a photo fo oba.or maybe of hes victims...-- Matrix17 20:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
well it has been done with Laci Peterson ,she even has her own article for example. but maybe you right maybe wrong i dont know.-- Matrix17 22:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
isnt it a bit sleazy then to have a article on a dead person, even if the case is notable like laci peterson? but i dont know.
I've removed this statement from the article:
"Oba Chandler is still a prime suspect in at least two other similar cases."
It was marked as needing a citation since February. It seems like, if it's true, a citation would be easy enough to dig up. Otherwise, it's libellous and not cool. Jessicapierce 15:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Then all stories on killers and so on should be removed due to that no one actuallty knows if they killed the persons. We cant raise suspicions with out real proof right? i mean how can WE know that they actually have killed a person?haha-- Matrix17 19:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I have put in a execution date that i found dont know if it is a actuall date. If anyone finds the accurate date please insert it in the article.-- Matrix17 22:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
In response to the request on my talk page, here are a few thoughts I have on the article. This is not a GA review, simply a list of things that need to be improved on the article for it to be of GA or FA status.
Overall, the prose and layout of the article appears to be much improved over my last GA review. My suggestion would be to do some more work on the references, and then nominate this article for GA status. The GA review can often highlight problems that would be grounds for immediate "opposes" during FAC. If you have more questions, please let me know! Dana boomer ( talk) 21:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
In the subsection "Second suspect", a seemingly random change of focus takes place and needs to be clarified: "The second suspect theory is belied by Chandler's approach of two Canadian women; that he had the willingness to approach more than one potential target by himself.[28] John Rogers was released on parole in 2004, but is estranged from the rest of the Rogers family." The next paragraph then mentions initial suspicion against Rogers, and an incident of abuse against one of the victims (?), but other than the brief mention highlighted above, his name does not appear anywhere else in the article. Could some info be missing from a previous version? María ( habla con migo) 21:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I have re-nominated the article for GA, after looking trough some old nominations by some users sutch as an GA and a Peer review i have found that all concerns has been taken care of also the concerns from Dana Boomer above has been taken care of by a number of editors. Thats why i believe this article is GA ready and among the better crime articles on Wikipedia.-- ÅlandÖland ( talk) 13:59, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I've reviewed this article's nomination for good article status, and I'm pleased to say that I promoted it today. Well done to all who contributed! AGK 12:50, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
I have now nominated the article for FA status as i believe that it passes trough all the FA criterias. Also as a crime article it is really good and among the better ones on Wikipedia.-- ÅlandÖland ( talk) 12:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Oba Chandlers execution has been set for November 15, if the execution goes ahead as planned there will be alot of edits that day.-- BabbaQ ( talk) 18:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Lots of helpful articles. Very well done. Manny may ( talk) 22:19, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Could somebody please correct and update the "Execution" section where it refers to his appeal to the Florida Supreme Court? The article says "This appeal was heard in a court in Tallahassee at 9:00 AM on November 9, 2011." That is not accurate.
The Court originally scheduled oral arguments on his appeal for November 9, but on November 3, the Court cancelled oral argument. http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/11/11-2055/Filed_11-03-2011_Order_Cancelling_Arguments.pdf
The Florida Supreme Court then denied Chandler's appeal on November 7, 2011 without ever having any hearing or oral argument. http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/11/11-2055/Filed_11-07-2011_Order.pdf
I would make these corrections myself, but I am not sure how to add to the "references" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.157.91.64 ( talk) 19:15, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
...the biography is very well written; this is excellent work in my humble opinion. I came across it randomly. Take a bow all who've contributed. 86.41.2.94 ( talk) 23:45, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
My own personal preference when discussing court cases is to use language like "Oba Chandler is an american man convicted and executed for the murder of..." as opposed to "Oba Chandler is a murderer". I realize he was convicted, but to me, I think it's better to stick to things that we can know for sure. There's always a possibility with any case that someone could be wrongfully convicted and not truly be a murderer. But we can know for sure that he was convicted. Also, the section that says "Chandler lured Canadian tourist Judy Blair onto his boat". To me, the language is a little bit presumptive. How do we know he lured her as opposed to simply asking her if she wanted to go for a ride? It takes facts and paints them in a certain light. I think it would be more accurate to say "Judy Blair stated..." I feel like it improves the neutrality of the article to present the facts in this light. I didn't alter the article myself because I'm not terribly familiar with the case and don't have time to devote to it now. How does everyone else feel about this? Bali88 ( talk) 03:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
A photo of the bound, decomposing hands and arms of one of the victims is being used to illustrate this article. I'm not squeamish, but it seems unnecessary to illustrate the article since there are three other photos and Wiki policy is to minimize the number of photos. Also seems a bit disrespectful to the victim, particularly since there is no photo of the victim as a living person. I normally don't see photos of victims' decomposed bodies on Wikipedia; rather they usually seem to be in the source material that is linked from the article. The decomposition of the body is also not some big unusual feature of a crime (decomposed bodies are found all the time). Does anyone else feel that this photo crosses the line a bit/ is unnecessary? TheBlinkster ( talk) 17:42, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Oba Chandlers execution has been set for November 15, if the execution goes ahead as planned there will be alot of edits that day.-- BabbaQ ( talk) 18:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Lots of helpful articles. Very well done. Manny may ( talk) 22:19, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Could somebody please correct and update the "Execution" section where it refers to his appeal to the Florida Supreme Court? The article says "This appeal was heard in a court in Tallahassee at 9:00 AM on November 9, 2011." That is not accurate.
The Court originally scheduled oral arguments on his appeal for November 9, but on November 3, the Court cancelled oral argument. http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/11/11-2055/Filed_11-03-2011_Order_Cancelling_Arguments.pdf
The Florida Supreme Court then denied Chandler's appeal on November 7, 2011 without ever having any hearing or oral argument. http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/summaries/briefs/11/11-2055/Filed_11-07-2011_Order.pdf
I would make these corrections myself, but I am not sure how to add to the "references" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.157.91.64 ( talk) 19:15, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
...the biography is very well written; this is excellent work in my humble opinion. I came across it randomly. Take a bow all who've contributed. 86.41.2.94 ( talk) 23:45, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
My own personal preference when discussing court cases is to use language like "Oba Chandler is an american man convicted and executed for the murder of..." as opposed to "Oba Chandler is a murderer". I realize he was convicted, but to me, I think it's better to stick to things that we can know for sure. There's always a possibility with any case that someone could be wrongfully convicted and not truly be a murderer. But we can know for sure that he was convicted. Also, the section that says "Chandler lured Canadian tourist Judy Blair onto his boat". To me, the language is a little bit presumptive. How do we know he lured her as opposed to simply asking her if she wanted to go for a ride? It takes facts and paints them in a certain light. I think it would be more accurate to say "Judy Blair stated..." I feel like it improves the neutrality of the article to present the facts in this light. I didn't alter the article myself because I'm not terribly familiar with the case and don't have time to devote to it now. How does everyone else feel about this? Bali88 ( talk) 03:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
A photo of the bound, decomposing hands and arms of one of the victims is being used to illustrate this article. I'm not squeamish, but it seems unnecessary to illustrate the article since there are three other photos and Wiki policy is to minimize the number of photos. Also seems a bit disrespectful to the victim, particularly since there is no photo of the victim as a living person. I normally don't see photos of victims' decomposed bodies on Wikipedia; rather they usually seem to be in the source material that is linked from the article. The decomposition of the body is also not some big unusual feature of a crime (decomposed bodies are found all the time). Does anyone else feel that this photo crosses the line a bit/ is unnecessary? TheBlinkster ( talk) 17:42, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
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I want to say thank you to everyone that has helped to improve this article over the years. It is really interesting and good now. -- BabbaQ ( talk) 17:36, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
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Could someone please explain how this edit was so bad that it was worth reverting twice, without any comment whatsoever? Why was this IP user treated as a common vandal? Why was s/he warned for this?
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