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In response to Oasis not being an alternative rock band: there seems to be some sort of confusion over what alternative rock is so I would highly recommend everyone go read that article. It mentions in the lead that this genre is called "indie" in the UK, and many people have labeled Oasis an indie band in this vein. Alternative rock has taken on a different definition since the 90s and Oasis certainly falls into this definition. Not to mention the alternative rock article has an entire section dedicated to Oasis and Britpop. In any case, read the Britpop article and you will see that Britpop is a subgenre of alternative rock. Since Britpop for the most part no longer exists and Oasis has pursued a different sound since the mid-90's, it doesn't make much sense to say their music is still considered Britpop. Oasis most certainly is an alternative rock band. Y2kcrazyjoker4 ( talk) 21:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I agree. There's no reason to remove Britpop completely. It described their music when they first came onto the scene. But they've moved onto different types of rock now and I think "alternative rock" (or "indie rock" for the UK equivalent) best describes them now. Y2kcrazyjoker4 ( talk) 02:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
No one seems to want to talk about this at all, but I'm going to continue to make my point: Oasis is an alternative rock band by pretty much every stretch of the modern definition. If you don't think so, read the alternative rock article - the genre is also known as indie rock in the UK, if that is what your reservations are about. Secondly, and this is not debatable, the Britpop genre, which Oasis is best known by, IS A SUBGENRE OF ALTERNATIVE ROCK. The band also has expanded its sound beyond what Britpop came to define in the 90s so it seems they fit into other genre's of rock, too. Third, the band's own MySpace page, their listing in Allmusic, and their listing in pretty much any online music retailer (e.g. Amazon, a Google serach shows more) indicates they are labeled as "alternative (rock)". I don't see why people are so against the label "alternative rock."
Secondly, I also think we should push for the inclusion of psychedelic rock. Songs of their's, like " Rock 'n' Roll Star", " Columbia", " Champagne Supernova", [1] "Magic Pie", " I Wanna Live in a Dream in My Record Machine", and pretty much all of Standing on the Shoulder of Giants (" Go Let It Out", " Gas Panic!", [2] "Little James", " Who Feels Love?", [3] "Roll It Over", "Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is") [4] are psychedelic or influenced by psychedelic rock. Furthmore, Rolling Stone in their biography/description of Oasis refer to the band as a psychedelic pop band. [5] Oasis have continued to call their upcoming Dig Out Your Soul to be a pyschedelic album. [6] [7] Feel free to discuss. Y2kcrazyjoker4 ( talk) 13:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
It seems that every indication of the new album is that it is heavily psychedelic rock influenced. That would make two of the band's seven studio albums psychedelic rock albums, along with a sprinkling of psychedelic rock songs onto their other albums. I would say that's a pretty good amount for justifying the genre's addition to the band infobox. Y2kcrazyjoker4 ( talk) 13:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't know where this should go, but Amanda Palmer's new record 'Who Killed Amanda Palmer?' is out and one of the songs is called 'Oasis' and sort of talks about this band. And Blur for that matter. Should this fact go in a references section or anything? The lyrics for this song are pretty correct if you want to google them to check it out.
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I've had some time to reflect on the genre debates we've had, and I've less convinced about "psychedelic rock" until there are more reviewers that mention it. But what about hard rock? To describe Oasis in the most simple manner possible, this is a band that plays pop rock compositions with the instrumentation of a hard rock band. I mean, they have lots of pop influenced melodies and song structures, but not many other bands will record their songs with a wall of guitars like Oasis has on many of their records. Any thoughts? Y2kcrazyjoker4 ( talk) 19:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't Paul "Strangeboy" Stacey be on this list? I seem to remember he was second keyboard player on the Be Here Now tour, plus he played 2nd guitar at a Noel acoustic set sometime in the early 2000s... Artgarfunkelshairchad ( talk) 16:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
See The Verve, The Who, Blur (band), Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, and Queen (band). Shall I keep going? Also, "an British rock band"? Utan Vax ( talk) 13:55, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
We are gonna put "English" because they're from a country called "England". That's how it works... logic. Utan Vax ( talk) 22:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Oasis are not an English rock band. Oasis IS an English rock band. IS. not fucking are. it is ONE band, SINGULAR. I couldn't care less about the British/English debate, but at the very least use basic correct grammar, goddamn 124.185.94.54 ( talk) 12:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
So the BBC and the Times each treated a band name as plural once. That does not make it correct usage. "Oasis is a band" is the normal usage even among Brits. Maproom ( talk) 21:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
"Oasis is/has" etc certainly is not normal usage in British English. Bands are referred to in the plural in the UK. American usage is irrelevant when talking about articles about UK acts written in British English . Vauxhall1964 ( talk) 00:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Further evidence that using a singular known with a plural verb is non-standard in British English: "parliament is in session" has "about 30,000" Google hits, while "parliament are in session" has "about 1,090". Maproom ( talk) 20:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Parliament is singular. Band is singular. Oasis is a specific group of people. It'd be like saying "You and I". Oasis are a band, just as you and I are not. 68.177.128.33 ( talk) 02:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
OASIS CANNOT BE CALLED AN ENGLISH BAND WHEN ONE OF THEM IS WELSH. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!
I also noticed that Oasis is used as if it is plural, when in fact it is singular. A band is a singular entity; it is composed of multiple individuals, but it is a single group. Therefore, Oasis "is" or "was," not "are" or "were." 68.54.107.114 ( talk) 16:57, 2 December 2009 (UTC)MinoredinEnglish
No band names are plural if there's more than one person in the band, see Radiohead, Blur, or Led Zeppelin. Iminrainbows ( talk) 17:47, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Its not that simple. Slash (musician) from GnR is actually an English born musician, so is 'The Edge' and one of the other U2 Members. So was phil lynott from Thin lizzy. I could continue. The majority of bands nationality judged on wikipedia is by there origin, in which case Oasis origin is Manchester, England. Goodbye & Goodnight. -- Tukogbani ( talk) 21:30, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
They have sold more than 60 million albums, not 50 as stated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.226.122 ( talk) 05:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I put in a new reference which states they have sold 70 million actually —Preceding
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Is the title for the last section a bit misleading? Whatever resurgence occured has now ended. They only managed to go #1 in two countries worldwide. Any views?-- Play Brian Moore ( talk) 18:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Anonymous IP's are persistenly trying to change Oasis' record sales to a higher figure than is supported by the citation. There is also a similar trend among all of Oasis' albums. I don't believe that it's a co-incidence and that these IP's are unrelated. Sales figures for other bands are also being reduced and random pro-Oasis material inserted into completely unrelated articles. DerrikLounds ( talk) 21:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
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oasis have sold around 65 million albums, almost 30 million from whats the story, about 15 from definitely maybe, approaching 10 million for be here now, the masterplan along with the live familliar to millions albums sold a combined 1 million. standing on the shoulders of giants sold another million, heathen chemistry sold 3 million and sont believe the truth sold around 5 million. so far dig out your soul has sold around 2 million. i dont know how much stop the clocks has sold but their overall album sales is at LEAST 60 million —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.1.234.69 ( talk) 17:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Zak wasn't an official member and neither is Chris. They should be signed as live members (Chris) or temporary members (Zak). Oasis have said this a million times, Oasis since 2004 is made up of 6 members: Andy, Liam, Noel, Michael Young, Karla Hart and Gem. Since Alan's departure there are no official drummers. If we said Chris is a member, then Jay Darlington is too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.133.195 ( talk) 15:48, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
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In response to Oasis not being an alternative rock band: there seems to be some sort of confusion over what alternative rock is so I would highly recommend everyone go read that article. It mentions in the lead that this genre is called "indie" in the UK, and many people have labeled Oasis an indie band in this vein. Alternative rock has taken on a different definition since the 90s and Oasis certainly falls into this definition. Not to mention the alternative rock article has an entire section dedicated to Oasis and Britpop. In any case, read the Britpop article and you will see that Britpop is a subgenre of alternative rock. Since Britpop for the most part no longer exists and Oasis has pursued a different sound since the mid-90's, it doesn't make much sense to say their music is still considered Britpop. Oasis most certainly is an alternative rock band. Y2kcrazyjoker4 ( talk) 21:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I agree. There's no reason to remove Britpop completely. It described their music when they first came onto the scene. But they've moved onto different types of rock now and I think "alternative rock" (or "indie rock" for the UK equivalent) best describes them now. Y2kcrazyjoker4 ( talk) 02:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
No one seems to want to talk about this at all, but I'm going to continue to make my point: Oasis is an alternative rock band by pretty much every stretch of the modern definition. If you don't think so, read the alternative rock article - the genre is also known as indie rock in the UK, if that is what your reservations are about. Secondly, and this is not debatable, the Britpop genre, which Oasis is best known by, IS A SUBGENRE OF ALTERNATIVE ROCK. The band also has expanded its sound beyond what Britpop came to define in the 90s so it seems they fit into other genre's of rock, too. Third, the band's own MySpace page, their listing in Allmusic, and their listing in pretty much any online music retailer (e.g. Amazon, a Google serach shows more) indicates they are labeled as "alternative (rock)". I don't see why people are so against the label "alternative rock."
Secondly, I also think we should push for the inclusion of psychedelic rock. Songs of their's, like " Rock 'n' Roll Star", " Columbia", " Champagne Supernova", [1] "Magic Pie", " I Wanna Live in a Dream in My Record Machine", and pretty much all of Standing on the Shoulder of Giants (" Go Let It Out", " Gas Panic!", [2] "Little James", " Who Feels Love?", [3] "Roll It Over", "Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is") [4] are psychedelic or influenced by psychedelic rock. Furthmore, Rolling Stone in their biography/description of Oasis refer to the band as a psychedelic pop band. [5] Oasis have continued to call their upcoming Dig Out Your Soul to be a pyschedelic album. [6] [7] Feel free to discuss. Y2kcrazyjoker4 ( talk) 13:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
It seems that every indication of the new album is that it is heavily psychedelic rock influenced. That would make two of the band's seven studio albums psychedelic rock albums, along with a sprinkling of psychedelic rock songs onto their other albums. I would say that's a pretty good amount for justifying the genre's addition to the band infobox. Y2kcrazyjoker4 ( talk) 13:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't know where this should go, but Amanda Palmer's new record 'Who Killed Amanda Palmer?' is out and one of the songs is called 'Oasis' and sort of talks about this band. And Blur for that matter. Should this fact go in a references section or anything? The lyrics for this song are pretty correct if you want to google them to check it out.
( Dreamling13 ( talk) 19:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC))
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I've had some time to reflect on the genre debates we've had, and I've less convinced about "psychedelic rock" until there are more reviewers that mention it. But what about hard rock? To describe Oasis in the most simple manner possible, this is a band that plays pop rock compositions with the instrumentation of a hard rock band. I mean, they have lots of pop influenced melodies and song structures, but not many other bands will record their songs with a wall of guitars like Oasis has on many of their records. Any thoughts? Y2kcrazyjoker4 ( talk) 19:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't Paul "Strangeboy" Stacey be on this list? I seem to remember he was second keyboard player on the Be Here Now tour, plus he played 2nd guitar at a Noel acoustic set sometime in the early 2000s... Artgarfunkelshairchad ( talk) 16:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
See The Verve, The Who, Blur (band), Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, and Queen (band). Shall I keep going? Also, "an British rock band"? Utan Vax ( talk) 13:55, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
We are gonna put "English" because they're from a country called "England". That's how it works... logic. Utan Vax ( talk) 22:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Oasis are not an English rock band. Oasis IS an English rock band. IS. not fucking are. it is ONE band, SINGULAR. I couldn't care less about the British/English debate, but at the very least use basic correct grammar, goddamn 124.185.94.54 ( talk) 12:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
So the BBC and the Times each treated a band name as plural once. That does not make it correct usage. "Oasis is a band" is the normal usage even among Brits. Maproom ( talk) 21:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
"Oasis is/has" etc certainly is not normal usage in British English. Bands are referred to in the plural in the UK. American usage is irrelevant when talking about articles about UK acts written in British English . Vauxhall1964 ( talk) 00:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Further evidence that using a singular known with a plural verb is non-standard in British English: "parliament is in session" has "about 30,000" Google hits, while "parliament are in session" has "about 1,090". Maproom ( talk) 20:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Parliament is singular. Band is singular. Oasis is a specific group of people. It'd be like saying "You and I". Oasis are a band, just as you and I are not. 68.177.128.33 ( talk) 02:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
OASIS CANNOT BE CALLED AN ENGLISH BAND WHEN ONE OF THEM IS WELSH. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!
I also noticed that Oasis is used as if it is plural, when in fact it is singular. A band is a singular entity; it is composed of multiple individuals, but it is a single group. Therefore, Oasis "is" or "was," not "are" or "were." 68.54.107.114 ( talk) 16:57, 2 December 2009 (UTC)MinoredinEnglish
No band names are plural if there's more than one person in the band, see Radiohead, Blur, or Led Zeppelin. Iminrainbows ( talk) 17:47, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Its not that simple. Slash (musician) from GnR is actually an English born musician, so is 'The Edge' and one of the other U2 Members. So was phil lynott from Thin lizzy. I could continue. The majority of bands nationality judged on wikipedia is by there origin, in which case Oasis origin is Manchester, England. Goodbye & Goodnight. -- Tukogbani ( talk) 21:30, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
They have sold more than 60 million albums, not 50 as stated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.226.122 ( talk) 05:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I put in a new reference which states they have sold 70 million actually —Preceding
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14:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Is the title for the last section a bit misleading? Whatever resurgence occured has now ended. They only managed to go #1 in two countries worldwide. Any views?-- Play Brian Moore ( talk) 18:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Anonymous IP's are persistenly trying to change Oasis' record sales to a higher figure than is supported by the citation. There is also a similar trend among all of Oasis' albums. I don't believe that it's a co-incidence and that these IP's are unrelated. Sales figures for other bands are also being reduced and random pro-Oasis material inserted into completely unrelated articles. DerrikLounds ( talk) 21:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
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oasis have sold around 65 million albums, almost 30 million from whats the story, about 15 from definitely maybe, approaching 10 million for be here now, the masterplan along with the live familliar to millions albums sold a combined 1 million. standing on the shoulders of giants sold another million, heathen chemistry sold 3 million and sont believe the truth sold around 5 million. so far dig out your soul has sold around 2 million. i dont know how much stop the clocks has sold but their overall album sales is at LEAST 60 million —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.1.234.69 ( talk) 17:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Zak wasn't an official member and neither is Chris. They should be signed as live members (Chris) or temporary members (Zak). Oasis have said this a million times, Oasis since 2004 is made up of 6 members: Andy, Liam, Noel, Michael Young, Karla Hart and Gem. Since Alan's departure there are no official drummers. If we said Chris is a member, then Jay Darlington is too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.133.195 ( talk) 15:48, 14 March 2009 (UTC)