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We should move this to OMON. There are 8,600 hits on Google for "OMON" and "Russia," and only 127 under this title. Plus every author of fiction and non-fiction seems to use the OMON term. - Joseph (Talk) 02:59, 2004 Oct 10 (UTC)
The factual items of the article are largely incorrect. Authors, do you speak Russian enough to understand Russian TV? Forgive my intolerance, but do we have a WP template for bullshit? Actually, I don't care about RF pages. But this one is a part of the common Soviet heritage so I have a full right to question it. You people work harder on it, or should I write the Real OMON page? Best wishes, AlexPU
Ok, Chris. I'll see how much time I can find for this. It doesn't matter if you're a journalist or not. Instead, you seem to be a "professional" English writer (unlike me :((), and more, you're an admin. So I count on your copyediting and Wikitechnology help on this page. Best wishes, AlexPU
Black berets: They, um, do wear black berets. Even here in the illustration. -- HanzoHattori 18:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
What the Hell is the OMON Tiger-Unit? The Tiger ist used by MVD as a sign for the far east (amur river region) military district (as in the interior forces - bear for siberia, deer for the Volga district, a horse for the northern Caucasus...). In this case the picture shows a patch of the Ussuiyrsk (in the far east) Special task force.
For me, it doesn't really make sense to specify that Moscow city has an OMON force which is different from the one of Moscow Oblast, as Moscow city is not part of Moscow Oblast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.76.75.187 ( talk) 20:29, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
I wonder if OMOH officers realize that OMOH is HOMO backwards? And if they would change the name when they do. ~Sergey~
Homo mean "human". Guess they are. -- HanzoHattori 14:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/11/wrussia11.xml
Short. -- HanzoHattori 14:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Done Degen Earthfast ( talk) 21:54, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
OMON has been accused of corruption, including protection money, to improve their salaries citation needed. Since August 1999 they have also been accused of checking the identity papers of anybody who seems to be a foreigner in order to extract bribes from illegal migrants citation needed. In the early 1990s there have also been allegations that the group appears to not always be under the full control of the government and often acts independently citation needed.
-- HanzoHattori 18:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Article is too biased, in my opinion. It looks like a Dissenters' fly-sheet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.110.57.87 ( talk) 07:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I notice that all the high profile operations are bad. I also notice that in some cases those are just allegations. This article is ridiculous; it cannot possibly be presenting a neutral point of view. 74.14.101.89 ( talk) 01:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Why is there a headline for OMON in Belarus but no article below? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.17.167.114 ( talk) 18:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Would be nice to add some sources to number claims in portion of the text about Operation Ring. Atabəy ( talk) 23:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
In Russia, The OMON Unit currently ( May 3 2011) is subordinate to the CSN - Center for Special Purpose, Because the Militsiya was dissolved earlier this year(In March 1 2011), and the President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev formed the Politsiya - The Police in his Czarist Name. So the the troops name (OMON) is just did not match to the current situation, about this unit in particulary and about the Police of Russian Federation, in General. Some people thought that the new name is OPON - Politsiya instead Militsiya, but is not true and there is a report about the establishment of Center for Special Purposes, officially: The Center for Special Purposes Forces of Operational Reaction. So, the article shuold to change his name? • M@xim | Max, May 3 2011, 18:35 [Jerusalem Time] (IDT) —Preceding undated comment added 15:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC).
The motto mentioned by "The Telegraph" author (its image, probably taken on the same press-conference, can be seen here) is not that of OMON but that of Spetsnaz. The latter is quite a general term for Russian special forces but it does not include OMON. Abolen ( talk) 22:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
"the South Ossetian separatist OMON took" It's not the Russian OMON and i thought the article is about the Russian OMON ? South Ossetia is not Russia! There is no connection beside the name, it would be the same if I say British marines are the same as US marines.
The first picture is humiliating, there is no sense to show them how they are shopping ?!? The only sense of the picture is to undermine their capabilities and discipline and to show them in a bad light. This is not objective! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.254.111.50 ( talk) 17:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
In the article it is said, that OMON was disbanded in the 2016. But it is not true. It was made part of the National Guard, but units still exist. You can find the information about its activity in the official site of the Russian national guard (in Russian only): http://rosgvard.ru/pri-silovoj-podderzhke-omona-zaderzhany-podozrevaemye-v-sovershenii-moshennichestva-v-osobo-krupnom-razmere/ In this news i is said^ that "Muscovite OMON unit of the Federal National Guard was participating in the arrest of three persons, who are suspects in the fraud case" (very rough translation). So, this units are still active. Please, change the information. Pvjatchkilev ( talk) 17:30, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
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Without in any way arguing about claims of brutality and illegal activities of the servicemen, which are described in the section on Chechen war, I would like to raise the issue of translation. The Russian word "зачистка", in regards to a military or law enforcement operation, is translated into English as "sweep". If we go into splitting hairs, this Russian word is indeed semantically more intense - the closest direct equivalent would be the word "cleanup". But in practical terms, зачистка is traditionally used both in media and by authorities to denote sweeping raids, e. g. of the same nature NATO coalition forces performed in Iraq or Afghanistan.
The notion of "zachistka" involves combat patrols, ID sweeps, leads investigation, targeted raids and searches (with all the potential of abusing one's responsibilities, of course), and implies that active enemy combatants are strongly suspected to be in the AoE. Meanwhile, cleansing is a political or punitive action aimed at intimidation, terror and straight up murder. Thus, I move to change the strongly loaded translation "cleansing" with the more neutral and fitting "sweep" and derivatives thereof. (Note: "cleansing" has its equivalent in Russian, "чистка"; "ethnic cleansing" would be "этнические чистки".) AyeBraine ( talk) 05:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
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This image has been reversed on the x-axis. This is clear from the obvious fact the name OMOH reads like HOMO (a very popular joke these days), and their sleeve patches are on the wrong sides (the unit insignia should be worn on the right arm and the national flag on the left). 70.26.131.40 ( talk) 18:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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We should move this to OMON. There are 8,600 hits on Google for "OMON" and "Russia," and only 127 under this title. Plus every author of fiction and non-fiction seems to use the OMON term. - Joseph (Talk) 02:59, 2004 Oct 10 (UTC)
The factual items of the article are largely incorrect. Authors, do you speak Russian enough to understand Russian TV? Forgive my intolerance, but do we have a WP template for bullshit? Actually, I don't care about RF pages. But this one is a part of the common Soviet heritage so I have a full right to question it. You people work harder on it, or should I write the Real OMON page? Best wishes, AlexPU
Ok, Chris. I'll see how much time I can find for this. It doesn't matter if you're a journalist or not. Instead, you seem to be a "professional" English writer (unlike me :((), and more, you're an admin. So I count on your copyediting and Wikitechnology help on this page. Best wishes, AlexPU
Black berets: They, um, do wear black berets. Even here in the illustration. -- HanzoHattori 18:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
What the Hell is the OMON Tiger-Unit? The Tiger ist used by MVD as a sign for the far east (amur river region) military district (as in the interior forces - bear for siberia, deer for the Volga district, a horse for the northern Caucasus...). In this case the picture shows a patch of the Ussuiyrsk (in the far east) Special task force.
For me, it doesn't really make sense to specify that Moscow city has an OMON force which is different from the one of Moscow Oblast, as Moscow city is not part of Moscow Oblast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.76.75.187 ( talk) 20:29, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
I wonder if OMOH officers realize that OMOH is HOMO backwards? And if they would change the name when they do. ~Sergey~
Homo mean "human". Guess they are. -- HanzoHattori 14:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/11/wrussia11.xml
Short. -- HanzoHattori 14:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Done Degen Earthfast ( talk) 21:54, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
OMON has been accused of corruption, including protection money, to improve their salaries citation needed. Since August 1999 they have also been accused of checking the identity papers of anybody who seems to be a foreigner in order to extract bribes from illegal migrants citation needed. In the early 1990s there have also been allegations that the group appears to not always be under the full control of the government and often acts independently citation needed.
-- HanzoHattori 18:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Article is too biased, in my opinion. It looks like a Dissenters' fly-sheet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.110.57.87 ( talk) 07:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I notice that all the high profile operations are bad. I also notice that in some cases those are just allegations. This article is ridiculous; it cannot possibly be presenting a neutral point of view. 74.14.101.89 ( talk) 01:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Why is there a headline for OMON in Belarus but no article below? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.17.167.114 ( talk) 18:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Would be nice to add some sources to number claims in portion of the text about Operation Ring. Atabəy ( talk) 23:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
In Russia, The OMON Unit currently ( May 3 2011) is subordinate to the CSN - Center for Special Purpose, Because the Militsiya was dissolved earlier this year(In March 1 2011), and the President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev formed the Politsiya - The Police in his Czarist Name. So the the troops name (OMON) is just did not match to the current situation, about this unit in particulary and about the Police of Russian Federation, in General. Some people thought that the new name is OPON - Politsiya instead Militsiya, but is not true and there is a report about the establishment of Center for Special Purposes, officially: The Center for Special Purposes Forces of Operational Reaction. So, the article shuold to change his name? • M@xim | Max, May 3 2011, 18:35 [Jerusalem Time] (IDT) —Preceding undated comment added 15:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC).
The motto mentioned by "The Telegraph" author (its image, probably taken on the same press-conference, can be seen here) is not that of OMON but that of Spetsnaz. The latter is quite a general term for Russian special forces but it does not include OMON. Abolen ( talk) 22:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
"the South Ossetian separatist OMON took" It's not the Russian OMON and i thought the article is about the Russian OMON ? South Ossetia is not Russia! There is no connection beside the name, it would be the same if I say British marines are the same as US marines.
The first picture is humiliating, there is no sense to show them how they are shopping ?!? The only sense of the picture is to undermine their capabilities and discipline and to show them in a bad light. This is not objective! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.254.111.50 ( talk) 17:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
In the article it is said, that OMON was disbanded in the 2016. But it is not true. It was made part of the National Guard, but units still exist. You can find the information about its activity in the official site of the Russian national guard (in Russian only): http://rosgvard.ru/pri-silovoj-podderzhke-omona-zaderzhany-podozrevaemye-v-sovershenii-moshennichestva-v-osobo-krupnom-razmere/ In this news i is said^ that "Muscovite OMON unit of the Federal National Guard was participating in the arrest of three persons, who are suspects in the fraud case" (very rough translation). So, this units are still active. Please, change the information. Pvjatchkilev ( talk) 17:30, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
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Without in any way arguing about claims of brutality and illegal activities of the servicemen, which are described in the section on Chechen war, I would like to raise the issue of translation. The Russian word "зачистка", in regards to a military or law enforcement operation, is translated into English as "sweep". If we go into splitting hairs, this Russian word is indeed semantically more intense - the closest direct equivalent would be the word "cleanup". But in practical terms, зачистка is traditionally used both in media and by authorities to denote sweeping raids, e. g. of the same nature NATO coalition forces performed in Iraq or Afghanistan.
The notion of "zachistka" involves combat patrols, ID sweeps, leads investigation, targeted raids and searches (with all the potential of abusing one's responsibilities, of course), and implies that active enemy combatants are strongly suspected to be in the AoE. Meanwhile, cleansing is a political or punitive action aimed at intimidation, terror and straight up murder. Thus, I move to change the strongly loaded translation "cleansing" with the more neutral and fitting "sweep" and derivatives thereof. (Note: "cleansing" has its equivalent in Russian, "чистка"; "ethnic cleansing" would be "этнические чистки".) AyeBraine ( talk) 05:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
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This image has been reversed on the x-axis. This is clear from the obvious fact the name OMOH reads like HOMO (a very popular joke these days), and their sleeve patches are on the wrong sides (the unit insignia should be worn on the right arm and the national flag on the left). 70.26.131.40 ( talk) 18:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)