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Close and probably cognate, but a different word. Bacchiad
The section discussing Nyx as portrayed in Homer includes a statement which, while true on the surface, is greatly misleading. Generally speaking, Zeus's power is never conceived of as absolute. Using the same source, Zeus's inability to alter the will of the Fates is promoted by numerous deities and accepted by Zeus himself (however reluctantly); Zeus's respect for the strength of his own brother, Poseidon, is also acknowledged when the two elementals nearly come to blows, before Poseidon reluctantly accepts his (only slightly) subserviant role before Zeus). There are other places in myth where Zeus is also limited in his abilities or the conception of his abilities are limited by those believing in him (this is especially evident in the story of Thetis, whom Zeus feared to have a child by because of his concerns that he would be overthrown (as was prophesied in various accounts) by the offspring born of such a union which was destined (again, according to prophecy) to be stronger than the father. Consequently, I am removing the "offending" quote.
i'm her sons and i don't want you to show my mother's picture but i need you to show my picture in my father's page. his name is Erebus but i am Geras. Supagornmasang ( talk) 17:20, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
My edit concerning Nyx in Persona 3 was replaced, removing most relevant information about her appearance. Can it be reverted, or rewritten to include a more complete summary? Gr3yfxx ( talk) 08:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Since it doesn't make much sense for the main "Nyx" article to lead to this page, I've moved all the content of this page to that article. Most things named "Nyx" are named after this goddess, and where they are not, readers can refer to the NYX disambiguation page. Godheval ( talk) 16:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Since almost everything named "Nyx" on this disambig page was named for the Greek goddess/concept, a search for "Nyx" should lead to her page, with a link to a disambig page. "NYX" in all caps will still lead to the disambig page. Godheval ( talk) 01:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Someone should probably fix this article, given that the introduction of it is a promotion of someone's crappy book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.173.83 ( talk) 23:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
In this page, Thanatos is listed under Nyx's sons by parthenogenesis. However, on Thanatos's page, his father is said to be Erebus. Also on Thanatos's page is a picture of "Thanatos with his half-brother Hypnos (who is also listed as a son of Nyx by parthenogenesis). Can anyone resolve this issue? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.151.70.200 ( talk) 17:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
This article is mediocre and it needs some fixes. I would like to point out a few things.
1. "Nyx stood at or near the beginning of creation, and was the mother of personified gods such as Hypnos (sleep) and Thánatos (death)."
If no source is available, I would remove this sentence. Hypnos and Thanatos are listed later on with a source.
2. "This mirrors the portrayal of Ratri (night) in the Rigveda, where she works in close cooperation but also tension with her sister Ushas (dawn)."
Is this a comment? If this has to do with Indian mythology, then let's spell it out. I don't see the connection otherwise.
3. "In other texts[citation needed] she may be the mother of Charon (with Erebus), and Phthonus "envy" (with Dionysus?)."
This is garbage. There is no source. I would remove it.
4. "There is also rumor that Nyx gave birth to her reincarnation, a son whose name would also be Nyx. But she gave birth to twins, having a daughter as well, who was named Hemera, "Day". The text implied that Hemera was not the sister of Aether, but the sister of Nyx's reincarnation."
Are we going by rumors? Does it matter what the neighbor says about mythology now? If no sources are available, the above is useless.
5. The list of Nyx's children is not very appropriate because it does not list the children by source (Hesiod and others). It's like a laundry list. I think children should be split according each source.
ICE77 ( talk) 04:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
“ | The original myth about Nyx, the beautiful goddess of the night is that she was born of Chaos which took place after the egg of Phanes hatched (see: creation according to Greek myth) alongwith her five siblings .... | ” |
Reverting as I'm skeptical of the assertion that one account is "original"; this replaces a passage that at least is sourced (to Hesiod). Also, what does it mean that "Chaos took place"? — Tamfang ( talk) 19:07, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Why is she called a goddess? She was a deity, yes, but she wasn't classified as a "god". theoi.com even calls her and her kin "Protogenoi". I mean, the Titans weren't called gods either, and they're even younger than the Protogenoi. 91.177.145.108 ( talk) 18:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Why is she Morpheus listed under Nyx's sons? Isn't he the son of Hypnos? Ovid mention at leaste three sons of hypnos: Morpheus, Phobetor and Phantasos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.203.115.43 ( talk) 03:52, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Over a series of edits on 8 September, the section "Children" was removed. Unless it was blatantly wrong, there's no reason to remove it and it should be restored to its state in this version from 29 July by User:Paul August. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 10:49, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Maniae "...are presumed to be daughters of Nyx.", not just on Wikipedia. GreekMythology.com Maniae. ~ JasonCarswell (talk) 05:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
The image is way to sexual and needs to be censored — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:8E80:1020:A8FC:E3CC:BBD0:9CBB ( talk) 21:31, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Day is supposed to be masculine, as historically been so for at least two Times (rupture of Sky from Earth)? Day survives, but mankind dies, does Day give birth to new mankind after rupture of Sky from Earth, therefore should Day be feminine? 198.71.29.39 ( talk) 18:45, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Day and Sky of damage give birth to new people, mankind? Can one argue that Night and Sky gave birth to new people or would it be more customary that Night and Day gave birth to new people? Night and Day gave birth to a new Sky, so the feminine may have had more than one Child?
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Is the main image actually of the goddess Nyx or is it unrelated to her? I searched the painting and I could not find any evidence that the painting is connected to Nyx. 73.73.127.102 ( talk) 05:31, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Just removed one whose content is aimed at juveniles. The last three (as timestamp in this post) should go, imho. No clear authorship, scholarly standing or named referals. As Far as I can tell, all three deal with the topic at "in universe" level. Haploidavey ( talk) 13:44, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia has a bunch of different articles that list Nyx's children, and the lists are all different, so I edited this article to combine them, and add sources. I'm not an expert on the original sources, but I know how to combine information from multiple articles. I added the missing children, along with sources, but someone reverted my change and suggested we discuss it here first. So feel free to discuss. - Burner89751654 ( talk) 14:29, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
@ Michael Aurel: (and others): A useful source, especially with respect to how Nyx is portrayed in Orphic literature, might be Athanassakis and Wolkow's Orphic hymn 3 To Night ( pp. 6–7), and their notes on that hymn ( pp. 76–78). Paul August ☎ 12:27, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Betegh says the following:
I should add that there are quite a few missing cites in that section (or cites which could be added), which hopefully I will get around to adding soon enough. –
Michael Aurel (
talk) 11:02, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
@
Paul August: (Though I'm sure, of course, that you have this page on your watchlist.) –
Michael Aurel (
talk) 11:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
The current infobox has the following issues:
If you want me to elaborate on any of these points, I can. As I said, I am not against having an infobox altogether, but we need to decide upon a version which addresses the above points. Also, please keep discussion of this reasoned and civil. – Michael Aurel ( talk) 03:59, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Nyx | |
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Goddess and personification of the night | |
Personal information | |
Parents | Chaos |
Siblings | Erebus |
Consort | Erebus |
Offspring | According to
Hesiod: Aether, Hemera (with Erebus) Moros, Ker, Thanatos, Hypnos, the Oneiroi, Momus, Oizys, the Hesperides, the Moirai, the Keres, Nemesis, Apate, Philotes, Geras and Eris (without a father) |
Equivalents | |
Roman equivalent | Nox |
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Close and probably cognate, but a different word. Bacchiad
The section discussing Nyx as portrayed in Homer includes a statement which, while true on the surface, is greatly misleading. Generally speaking, Zeus's power is never conceived of as absolute. Using the same source, Zeus's inability to alter the will of the Fates is promoted by numerous deities and accepted by Zeus himself (however reluctantly); Zeus's respect for the strength of his own brother, Poseidon, is also acknowledged when the two elementals nearly come to blows, before Poseidon reluctantly accepts his (only slightly) subserviant role before Zeus). There are other places in myth where Zeus is also limited in his abilities or the conception of his abilities are limited by those believing in him (this is especially evident in the story of Thetis, whom Zeus feared to have a child by because of his concerns that he would be overthrown (as was prophesied in various accounts) by the offspring born of such a union which was destined (again, according to prophecy) to be stronger than the father. Consequently, I am removing the "offending" quote.
i'm her sons and i don't want you to show my mother's picture but i need you to show my picture in my father's page. his name is Erebus but i am Geras. Supagornmasang ( talk) 17:20, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
My edit concerning Nyx in Persona 3 was replaced, removing most relevant information about her appearance. Can it be reverted, or rewritten to include a more complete summary? Gr3yfxx ( talk) 08:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Since it doesn't make much sense for the main "Nyx" article to lead to this page, I've moved all the content of this page to that article. Most things named "Nyx" are named after this goddess, and where they are not, readers can refer to the NYX disambiguation page. Godheval ( talk) 16:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Since almost everything named "Nyx" on this disambig page was named for the Greek goddess/concept, a search for "Nyx" should lead to her page, with a link to a disambig page. "NYX" in all caps will still lead to the disambig page. Godheval ( talk) 01:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Someone should probably fix this article, given that the introduction of it is a promotion of someone's crappy book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.173.83 ( talk) 23:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
In this page, Thanatos is listed under Nyx's sons by parthenogenesis. However, on Thanatos's page, his father is said to be Erebus. Also on Thanatos's page is a picture of "Thanatos with his half-brother Hypnos (who is also listed as a son of Nyx by parthenogenesis). Can anyone resolve this issue? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.151.70.200 ( talk) 17:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
This article is mediocre and it needs some fixes. I would like to point out a few things.
1. "Nyx stood at or near the beginning of creation, and was the mother of personified gods such as Hypnos (sleep) and Thánatos (death)."
If no source is available, I would remove this sentence. Hypnos and Thanatos are listed later on with a source.
2. "This mirrors the portrayal of Ratri (night) in the Rigveda, where she works in close cooperation but also tension with her sister Ushas (dawn)."
Is this a comment? If this has to do with Indian mythology, then let's spell it out. I don't see the connection otherwise.
3. "In other texts[citation needed] she may be the mother of Charon (with Erebus), and Phthonus "envy" (with Dionysus?)."
This is garbage. There is no source. I would remove it.
4. "There is also rumor that Nyx gave birth to her reincarnation, a son whose name would also be Nyx. But she gave birth to twins, having a daughter as well, who was named Hemera, "Day". The text implied that Hemera was not the sister of Aether, but the sister of Nyx's reincarnation."
Are we going by rumors? Does it matter what the neighbor says about mythology now? If no sources are available, the above is useless.
5. The list of Nyx's children is not very appropriate because it does not list the children by source (Hesiod and others). It's like a laundry list. I think children should be split according each source.
ICE77 ( talk) 04:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
“ | The original myth about Nyx, the beautiful goddess of the night is that she was born of Chaos which took place after the egg of Phanes hatched (see: creation according to Greek myth) alongwith her five siblings .... | ” |
Reverting as I'm skeptical of the assertion that one account is "original"; this replaces a passage that at least is sourced (to Hesiod). Also, what does it mean that "Chaos took place"? — Tamfang ( talk) 19:07, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Why is she called a goddess? She was a deity, yes, but she wasn't classified as a "god". theoi.com even calls her and her kin "Protogenoi". I mean, the Titans weren't called gods either, and they're even younger than the Protogenoi. 91.177.145.108 ( talk) 18:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Why is she Morpheus listed under Nyx's sons? Isn't he the son of Hypnos? Ovid mention at leaste three sons of hypnos: Morpheus, Phobetor and Phantasos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.203.115.43 ( talk) 03:52, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Over a series of edits on 8 September, the section "Children" was removed. Unless it was blatantly wrong, there's no reason to remove it and it should be restored to its state in this version from 29 July by User:Paul August. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 10:49, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Maniae "...are presumed to be daughters of Nyx.", not just on Wikipedia. GreekMythology.com Maniae. ~ JasonCarswell (talk) 05:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
The image is way to sexual and needs to be censored — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:8E80:1020:A8FC:E3CC:BBD0:9CBB ( talk) 21:31, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Day is supposed to be masculine, as historically been so for at least two Times (rupture of Sky from Earth)? Day survives, but mankind dies, does Day give birth to new mankind after rupture of Sky from Earth, therefore should Day be feminine? 198.71.29.39 ( talk) 18:45, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Day and Sky of damage give birth to new people, mankind? Can one argue that Night and Sky gave birth to new people or would it be more customary that Night and Day gave birth to new people? Night and Day gave birth to a new Sky, so the feminine may have had more than one Child?
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 15 August 2022 and 9 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): MildActsOfMayhem ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: 1347peaches.
— Assignment last updated by Berserkz ( talk) 00:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC) MildActsOfMayhem I have peer reviewed your article 1347peaches ( talk) 22:09, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
Is the main image actually of the goddess Nyx or is it unrelated to her? I searched the painting and I could not find any evidence that the painting is connected to Nyx. 73.73.127.102 ( talk) 05:31, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Just removed one whose content is aimed at juveniles. The last three (as timestamp in this post) should go, imho. No clear authorship, scholarly standing or named referals. As Far as I can tell, all three deal with the topic at "in universe" level. Haploidavey ( talk) 13:44, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia has a bunch of different articles that list Nyx's children, and the lists are all different, so I edited this article to combine them, and add sources. I'm not an expert on the original sources, but I know how to combine information from multiple articles. I added the missing children, along with sources, but someone reverted my change and suggested we discuss it here first. So feel free to discuss. - Burner89751654 ( talk) 14:29, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
@ Michael Aurel: (and others): A useful source, especially with respect to how Nyx is portrayed in Orphic literature, might be Athanassakis and Wolkow's Orphic hymn 3 To Night ( pp. 6–7), and their notes on that hymn ( pp. 76–78). Paul August ☎ 12:27, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Betegh says the following:
I should add that there are quite a few missing cites in that section (or cites which could be added), which hopefully I will get around to adding soon enough. –
Michael Aurel (
talk) 11:02, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
@
Paul August: (Though I'm sure, of course, that you have this page on your watchlist.) –
Michael Aurel (
talk) 11:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
The current infobox has the following issues:
If you want me to elaborate on any of these points, I can. As I said, I am not against having an infobox altogether, but we need to decide upon a version which addresses the above points. Also, please keep discussion of this reasoned and civil. – Michael Aurel ( talk) 03:59, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Nyx | |
---|---|
Goddess and personification of the night | |
Personal information | |
Parents | Chaos |
Siblings | Erebus |
Consort | Erebus |
Offspring | According to
Hesiod: Aether, Hemera (with Erebus) Moros, Ker, Thanatos, Hypnos, the Oneiroi, Momus, Oizys, the Hesperides, the Moirai, the Keres, Nemesis, Apate, Philotes, Geras and Eris (without a father) |
Equivalents | |
Roman equivalent | Nox |