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please find someone who has said weis' tenure could be a considered a moderate success. Becuase I can find a dozen articles that say it was a failure. I'll give you a few days to change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.233.253 ( talk) 02:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
here sandbox this The 2007 season has produced the worst start (0-5) ever; the most losses in a season ever (9) [1]; two of the ten worst losses ever (38-0 losses to both Michigan and USC); and, the first 6-game losing streak for home games. With two games still left to be played, the Irish are already ineligible for a bowl game -- the fourth time in the last nine seasons that they have missed-out on a bowl appearance [2]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.233.253 ( talk) 21:54, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
honestly, i dont want an edit war, lets have a discussion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.233.253 ( talk) 10:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I think we should merge The Notre Dame Leperchaun into this article. Nothing 444 Go Irish! 21:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
11 or 13? In the french and spain wiki are 13 championships -- 78.54.141.21 ( talk) 07:47, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
There is a problem with the sourcing for the university's colors, listed in the infobox as "Madonna blue and papal gold." The reference supporting this, however, is to the university's "visual identity" handbook, essentially a style sheet for publications and media. Visual ID .pdf That document states "The official colors of the visual identity are Madonna blue and papal gold" - not those of the school itself. The athletic department correctly identifies and explains that the sports teams wear gold and blue, and in that order - UND Athletics. Now, the heraldry of the coat of arms
of the university indeed features Madonna blue and papal gold - those are the colors depicted here. However - the SEAL of the university, included in the infobox, - University Seal||right|150 px|thumb - is the standard gold and blue, neither papal nor Madonna. The visual identity is not representative of the actual colors - the "Madonna blue" has never been worn as athletic colors, nor featured on pennants, nor on diplomas, nor anywhere else I can find or recall except for post-2009 publications. The sports monogram itself -
- is the traditional blue, far closer to navy than Madonna. This error needs to be changed, which I will do when I get a second source in addition to the athletics dept page cited above. Sensei48 ( talk) 18:55, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Notre Dame's tennis team did not win a national championship in 1944. Notre Dame's own contemporary source, The Notre Dame Alumnus, in assessing the spring sports seasons only mentions a "western" championship. There was no NCAA team championship until 1946. The collegiate championship that existed from 1883 to 1945 awarded titles only in singles and doubles. In 1944, Miami and Texas won those titles, which likely led an over-zealous Irish fan to incorrectly deduce that Notre Dame somehow shared a title with those two schools. [1]
Jerry Evert and Charley Samson, Navy V-12 trainees, and Bill Tully, a civilian from New York, led the team to its fine record. '1944 Western Tennis Champions' These players won the 1944 western tennis championship for Notre Dame.
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Has there ever been any public discussion or controversy in the United States concerning the insulting stereotyping of the Irish by the slogan "Fighting Irish" and the aggressive leprechaun mascot?
When we were younger, my brother and I in Ireland received gifts from the United States of jackets bearing the slogan "Fighting Irish" in big, block capital letters and we were both too disgusted to accept the well-meaning gifts. My brother was still only a child and yet was smart enough to recognise the problem on sight. They were just too embarrassing to wear. Has no-one in the United States ever been concerned by the issue of pejorative stereotyping by the insulting slogan and mascot? — O'Dea ( talk) 12:43, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
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please find someone who has said weis' tenure could be a considered a moderate success. Becuase I can find a dozen articles that say it was a failure. I'll give you a few days to change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.233.253 ( talk) 02:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
here sandbox this The 2007 season has produced the worst start (0-5) ever; the most losses in a season ever (9) [1]; two of the ten worst losses ever (38-0 losses to both Michigan and USC); and, the first 6-game losing streak for home games. With two games still left to be played, the Irish are already ineligible for a bowl game -- the fourth time in the last nine seasons that they have missed-out on a bowl appearance [2]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.233.253 ( talk) 21:54, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
honestly, i dont want an edit war, lets have a discussion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.233.253 ( talk) 10:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I think we should merge The Notre Dame Leperchaun into this article. Nothing 444 Go Irish! 21:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
11 or 13? In the french and spain wiki are 13 championships -- 78.54.141.21 ( talk) 07:47, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
There is a problem with the sourcing for the university's colors, listed in the infobox as "Madonna blue and papal gold." The reference supporting this, however, is to the university's "visual identity" handbook, essentially a style sheet for publications and media. Visual ID .pdf That document states "The official colors of the visual identity are Madonna blue and papal gold" - not those of the school itself. The athletic department correctly identifies and explains that the sports teams wear gold and blue, and in that order - UND Athletics. Now, the heraldry of the coat of arms
of the university indeed features Madonna blue and papal gold - those are the colors depicted here. However - the SEAL of the university, included in the infobox, - University Seal||right|150 px|thumb - is the standard gold and blue, neither papal nor Madonna. The visual identity is not representative of the actual colors - the "Madonna blue" has never been worn as athletic colors, nor featured on pennants, nor on diplomas, nor anywhere else I can find or recall except for post-2009 publications. The sports monogram itself -
- is the traditional blue, far closer to navy than Madonna. This error needs to be changed, which I will do when I get a second source in addition to the athletics dept page cited above. Sensei48 ( talk) 18:55, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Notre Dame's tennis team did not win a national championship in 1944. Notre Dame's own contemporary source, The Notre Dame Alumnus, in assessing the spring sports seasons only mentions a "western" championship. There was no NCAA team championship until 1946. The collegiate championship that existed from 1883 to 1945 awarded titles only in singles and doubles. In 1944, Miami and Texas won those titles, which likely led an over-zealous Irish fan to incorrectly deduce that Notre Dame somehow shared a title with those two schools. [1]
Jerry Evert and Charley Samson, Navy V-12 trainees, and Bill Tully, a civilian from New York, led the team to its fine record. '1944 Western Tennis Champions' These players won the 1944 western tennis championship for Notre Dame.
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Has there ever been any public discussion or controversy in the United States concerning the insulting stereotyping of the Irish by the slogan "Fighting Irish" and the aggressive leprechaun mascot?
When we were younger, my brother and I in Ireland received gifts from the United States of jackets bearing the slogan "Fighting Irish" in big, block capital letters and we were both too disgusted to accept the well-meaning gifts. My brother was still only a child and yet was smart enough to recognise the problem on sight. They were just too embarrassing to wear. Has no-one in the United States ever been concerned by the issue of pejorative stereotyping by the insulting slogan and mascot? — O'Dea ( talk) 12:43, 10 June 2021 (UTC)