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I noted when I renamed the article and discussion pages that there is the Talk:Usenet celebrity/Archive page and the Talk:Usenet celebrity/Archive 1 page. However only one of these, the second one, is linked to at the top of this page. The other one, that is, the first one, is linked to in the blue explanation box. Does this need to be addressed or repaired? .`^) Paine diss`cuss (^`. 08:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Why does Tim Maroney redirect to Usenet celebrity when there's no mention of him on the page, or even in this talk page? Kay Dekker ( talk) 16:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
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A collection of
crank posts from sci.math
over the years is available at
www.math-atlas.org. It includes posts from some of the personalities listed in this article, including Archimedes Plutonium, Jack Sarfatti, and Alexander Abian. (It is also available as a link from
Crank dot net.) It is interesting, if not amusing, reading. —
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It is time for Archimedes Plutonium, King of Science, to have his own separate Wikipedia page, considering he has published 128 science books in less than 2 years. For according to AP, that if Wikipedia had existed in 1st century AD, that Wikipedia would have given Jesus Christ just one paragraph, not even his own page, but a paragraph in a list of terrorists of Rome, while giving Roman Geshnortz 4 or 5 pages (Dr. Tao, Dr. Wiles for fake math), and Romania Geshnortz 4 or 5 pages because she wants to be famous for "wanting to be famous as a blonde airhead". We can well understand Wikipedia editors are running around to look for airheads to give them 4 or 5 pages, but the point of Wikipedia is to evaluate "worthy news". AP, the King of Science needs his own separate page in Wikipedia. 2600:387:B:5:0:0:0:7A ( talk) 03:26, 15 August 2020 (UTC)AP
What is a "Usenet celebrity?" I never saw the term outside of the Wikipedia article.
To the extent that anyone listed could be a "celebrity" in the usual sense of the word for reasons pertaining to Usenet posts, the only one on the whole list would have to be Kibo, and I wouldn't swear in a court of law that his twenty years of mildly amusing Usenet posts would get him a cup of coffee. Hipcrime and Serdar Argic were spammers pure and simple, Archimedes Plutonium is a depressingly maladroit and painfully unfunny wannabe Kibo clone, the Internet Oracle is a PERL script, B1FF was a pseudonym created for purposes of trolling (or, if you prefer, "Usenet performance art"), and--with the honorable exceptions of the late Gharlane of Eddore and those listed under "Other Personalities"--most of the rest of the people listed are shrill, obnoxious, obsessed cranks whose freely chosen online behavior: to wit, monomaniacal devotion to reducing the signal-to-noise ratio of various Usenet newsgroups in the 1990s, have made them unwelcome in most any online community forevermore. That is a rather odd sort of fame, in my opinion.
And if that's the kind of "fame" you're talking about, then your list is missing Richard Bullis, Edmond Wollmann, Tim "Three Fucking Weeks" Thorne, Bruce Daniel Kettler, John Martin Grubor, Jerry M. "Dr. Richard X. Frager" "Art Wholeflaffer" Kolnick, Dave Tholen, Viv "Fucknozzle Jr." Eshwar, Doctress Neutopia, Erik "Erik Mouse" McDarby, Emmett Earl Gulley, Brad Jessness, Alexa Cameron, Tim "Skidmark" Brown, the late Earl Gordon Curley, and... well, I could go on and on, couldn't I?
In all seriousness, I don't grasp what this article is about or what these people have in common. Kibo got a TV commercial or two fifteen years ago. No one else on the list got that much fame, for good or ill. I don't get it, guys. I don't get it.
Did someone come in here from AUK and try to post a list of Usenet kooks? And then someone else was afraid of a lawsuit, I'm just guessing here, and rather than delete the article, renamed it "Usenet celebrities" and added Kibo and John Baez in an attempt to prevent Valery Fabrikant from suing Jimbo Wales from his padded cell for character assassination?
There's nothing and no one notable here, nay, not one. If you're going to put up a list of Usenet cranks do so, but don't sugar-coat it by pretending it's something else. This article is neither encyclopedic nor worthy of the bytes it occupies. Where do I go to suggest deletion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.61.156.96 ( talk) 00:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
>>>What is a "Usenet celebrity?" I never saw the term outside of the Wikipedia article.
The term has been around since at least the mid-to-late 1990s, mostly on account of the efforts made by Joel Furr and a few others who preceded him to chronicle such persons. Since Usenet as it was known then didn't survive the transition to today's Internet very well, some historical details were bound to have been lost.
Now, on another topic real quick - soc.motss was one of the major newsgroups back when I read newsgroups. With such a large and strong community on the net, of course homophobes would spring up. Any notability there to speak of? I remember Ted Kaldis and Daniel Karnes on alt.flame and other newsgroups, both particularly ubiquitous and obnoxious for long periods at various times. There was also another guy, whose name I've possibly forgotten (Philip Stromer, maybe?), who posted extremely offensive and homophobic material to rec.sport.pro-wrestling for quite some time. Once he started posting the same sort of material to other, better-read newsgroups, he found himself fired by Sun for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RadioKAOS ( talk • contribs) 01:09, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Jesse F. Hughes devised a unique trick in his sci.math postings by making his signature block for sci.math contain "quotes out of context" by various other sci.math particpants. And the Hughes trick was to hunt through posts of others looking for a sentence that would make that poster look bad. So that Hughes's signature block would not have Hughes's name but rather a "quote out of context" and the name of another poster who Hughes did not like. And these signature blocks would be repeated over and over again, with the upshot that a new reader could not really tell who the true author of the Hughes post was, and where quoted author was made to look bad because the out of context quote was selected by Hughes to make that person look bad. Jesse F. Hughes goes by the alias Phiwum as a Wikipedia editor and claims on his Wikipedia page "about him" that he is a college professor teaching on the East Coast in the Massachussets area. This seems rather contradictory to me, as I was often a target of Hughes's signature block and complained to News Admin Net Abuse that Hughes's was not only "quoting out of context" which no college professor that I know of would continue such practice when asked to stop that behaviour, and when such a practice verges on forgery. So it is my opinion that a entry in Wikipedia Usenet Celebrities is warranted for Jesse F. Hughes as a College Professor who sees no wrong or harm in quoting out of context a different author and inserting that quote with authors name as his signature block. It is my opinion that Hughes is ** pushing the envelope** of good and bad behaviour as it relates to quoting out of context and the name of another in his signature block which is hard to tell who was the author of Hughes post. There are hundreds of Hughes post to sci.math where names other than Hughes are in the signature block. Now I know that in Medicine there is a code of conduct, the Hypocratic Oath of do no harm to patients. But is there some College Academia Code of Conduct that professors in Colleges who commit to quoting out of context and are spinning those quotes as a hate-mill to sci.math and when asked to stop that habit and frequent pleas to News Admin Net Abuse of Hughes's signature block. Is there some Code of Conduct by Colleges that can stop Hughes from maligning other people who post to the Usenet? 216.16.55.208 ( talk)Concerned Reader of Usenet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.16.55.208 ( talk) 18:38, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
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I have had troubles with the Wikipedia entry of Archimedes Plutonium ever since the first entry appeared almost 10 or more years ago which one editor described as a "mockfest". Entrees that contained the words or cited to words of "kook", "crank", "crackpot", and had me living in Montana and had me as a fired dishwasher and had my clothes all written on. A truly genuine total mockfest, and the straw that broke my back was when these editors around 2005 insisted I be saddled with a false nickname of Arky. So I called for the Attorney General to inquire into Wikipedia circa 2005 and my entry was dropped immediately. But up sprang new entries of Archimedes Plutonium which we see two of them today. But my Request is that I would like to know if Wikipedia has a Editor Tag? A tag not unlike the "call for deletion tag". Only the editor tag is a tag in which private citizens who are displayed in Wikipedia can ask for a higher level editor of Wikipedia to look into whether a individual or "gang of editors" at Wikipedia is beating up unfairly on this private individual. It is unrealistic that a person featured in Wikipedia with a false and racial slur of a nickname of Arky has to spend oodles of time and contacting the Attorney General, because a gang of editors of Wikipedia find it fun to harass private individuals. A case in point is that the editor DMacks is charging Archimedes Plutonium for disruption of entrees, but that DMacks has placed a Deletion tag not on the entry I have been reverting but rather, DMacks has taken it upon himself (herself) to tag for deletion a different page which was never in question. And so, I respectfully request that private citizens who are featured with an entry in Wikipedia be allowed to post a TAG on a entry which that tag requires a higher level managing editor to investigate whether a gang of editor bullies is harrassing that private citizen. I lost a lot of time in having the Attorney General remove a racial slur of a nickname. So Please, provide a Tag that investigates whether there is a gang of editors at Wikipedia that find it pleasurable to harrass people featured and where I can type in the names of a few editors who seem to stalk and keep an inordinate eye on every move made of the Archimedes Plutonium entry. 216.16.55.208 ( talk) Thanks for such a tag —Preceding undated comment added 19:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC).
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Respectfully Request the Nomination for Deletion Tag over at Likebox/Archimedes Plutonium be moved over here to AP/Usenet CelebrityTo keep the Likebox/Archimedes Plutonium page because it is objective and quiet and peacefull. It is this entry of AP that is noisy and a combative zone of AP with editors. DMacks has it all wrong with the accusation and charge of "magnet for edits". This page of Likebox/Archimedes Plutonium has been a quiet and peaceful page. The page that needs consideration for Deletion is the Usenet Celebrity entry of Archimedes Plutonium where that entry is a magnet for edits. One can only guess the intentions of DMacks in wanting to delete this quiet and peaceful page of Likebox/Archimedes Plutonium so as to have only one entry of AP packed with words like "crank, crackpot, kook" I have respectfully requested a TAG be put on this page asking for senior managing-editors to review the long tortorous history of the Archimedes Plutonium entry and the combativeness of a gang of editors usually lead by DMacks. On the DMacks info page concerning DMack says that he/she attended Penn University and Brown and subjects of chemistry. When the AP page was torn down circa 2005, because the Attorney General had sent a letter to Wikipedia asking why its editors insisted on pegging Archimedes Plutonium with a false and racial slur of a nickname-- Arky, And the speed at which Wikipedia tore down the page was gratifying to me, but shortly after it was torn down, that some Wikipedia editors then located several defunct organizations to thence reinstall the Wikipedia page that the Attorney General asked to be removed. And such pages that appear on a Google Search of Archimedes Plutonium of Indopedia encyclopedia with the intention of throwing in the word "crank" of that old Wikipedia page. And then the sci.chem Uncle Al hatespam of "how stooopid is Archie Poo". So I have to ask what was the role of DMacks in the resurrection of all those old Wikipedia pages in defunct organizations such as Indopedia and of the curmudgeon Uncle Al Schwartz based in sci.chem and DMacks linked with sci.chem, so I have to ask what role does the Wikipedia editor DMacks have in the packing of websites that demonize Archimedes Plutonium? Are some editors at Wikipedia playing demonizing and harrassement of private citizens and using Wikipedia editing privileges in order to malign innocent private citizens? When will editors like DMacks and a list of others, easily found on the talk discussion pages of Usenet Celebrity-- Archimedes Plutonium? When will they be happy-- when the entry of Archimedes Plutonium reads the same as Uncle Al's "Archie Poo is stooopid, more stupid than dirt" and referenced with words of "crank, crackpot, psychoceramic, kook". So if DMacks gets his way on this Likebox/Archimedes Plutonium page which has been quiet and peaceful for 2 years now, then DMacks is well on his/her way of a full DEMONIZATION of Archimedes Plutonium. Ask DMacks a simple question-- since he studied chemistry which requires logical coherence, ask him/her why charge this peaceful and quiet page for Deletion when all the noise occurred over at the other Archimedes Plutonium page. Seems like incoherent logic on the part of DMacks. So I respectfully request that the Deletion of Likebox/Archimedes Plutonium be undone, and that Deletion process be transfered and voted on for the Archimedes Plutonium Usenet Celebrity page where the noise seems to emanate. And I respectfully request that Wikipedia have a TAG, similar to a Deletion tag that investigates whether some editors are rogue and whether they form gangs that pick on private persons of their entry in Wikipedia, because ever since Wikipedia had Archimedes Plutonium some 10 years ago, the ride has felt like "pulling teeth." So can a managing editor please provide some links to a TAG that investigates a group of Wikipedia editors which I suspect are unduly harrassing Archimedes Plutonium and who want to install a "demonization entry" of Archimedes Plutonium. 216.16.55.93 ( talk)Private Citizen who has followed this drama for years. —Preceding undated comment added 23:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC). |
The current Usenet Celebrities is too much of a overall negative tone, as if good people and good posters do not exist in Usenet and this is an attempt to address that. Also, I challenge the category that has criminals and mental issues, since it probably reflects more on the mental state of the authors and editors who created this page than it reflects on the Usenet community at large. For instance the largest entry is that of a mental case of MI5. Is that really appropriate? And the issue of a murderer who may have posted a few times to the Usenet, and thus the appropriateness of such an entry. And what is the standard for that? Are we to see murderers and criminals who made a few posts as filling up this site? The site is sorely lacking great and good posters which I think, and most people would agree that the majority of posters to Usenet are good people, but we find it hard to see that in what this site now shows. So I nominate two posters that I think show the best in what a Usenet poster can be. (1) Her name was Henrietta in the 1990s and I believe she went on to be the head of her own newsgroup in the law and lawyer news groups. Her posts showed a woman of extreme compassion and intelligence and her posts would be a model for others. And the second candidate is (2) LWalk and some say L. Walker going with the alias "Transfer Principle" who posts mostly in sci.math. This poster I have known for about 5 years and his ability to enter into a discussion of hatemongering other posters and to afford them respect, where most all other posters would have rather handcuffed the ruffians is a remarkable talent. LWalk is a model of a compassionate person and how one can conduct themselves on Usenet even though it is surrounded by profanity, hatred. So I think Wikipedia should revise Usenet Celebrities far beyond what it currently is. It's current presentation is of a negative overtone that is not representative of the bigger picture that Usenet is composed mostly of good people, whose posts are valuable to read and learn. 216.16.54.94 ( talk)Superdeterminism —Preceding undated comment added 03:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC). |
It is easily seen from the discussion history of this site and from the older sites of Archimedes Plutonium that he is treated unfairly. This site Usenet Celebrities was created because of the need to cover AP whose site was torn down circa 2005 due to a Attorney General letter enquiry into Wikipedia because of the false racial slur of a nickname "Arky" that the Wikipedia editors were trying to saddle AP with. So the AP site was torn down for it was commented by outside observers that the AP site was mostly a mockfest with racial slurs and works like "crank", "crackpot", "psychoceramics". Because it was torn down, and rapidly removed, Loadmaster-- David Tribble created this new site now called Usenet Celebrities in response to the AP removal. Now comes the analysis of why Archimedes Plutonium is severely prejudiced by this site. At first Loadmaster sandwiched AP in between criminals listed and it took AP several months to rectify that problem. Much of the harsh words of "crank, crackpot, psychoceramics" were not removed for they are still seen in the references cited. But worst of all, is that all the other persons listed in this site are afforded webpages, or archives or specific Usenet posts as citations, but AP is not allowed or afforded that same respect. Having watched this Wikipedia site for years now, it is my opinion that if DMacks were in charge that the entry of Archimedes Plutonium would read like this: AP is a crackpot, a crank, a psychoceramic. But since Loadmaster is the editor in charge of this site, AP's entry has the words crank crackpot and psychoceramic not listed directly but indirectly in the references. It is my opinion that the reason AP is never afforded the same citations of webpage, archives or Usenet posts is because, then Loadmaster cannot pelt or pommel AP with crank, crackpot or psychoceramic.
And in my opinion,the reason that criminals and MI5 appears in Usenet Celebrities is that the entire site is just a negative backdrop to what DMacks, David Tribble and other Wikipedia editors wish to paint the picture of Archimedes Plutonium as a demon devil. Mind you, they may not be doing it intentionally but subconsciously they hate AP so much that they do not know themselves of what they do. 216.16.54.94 ( talk) Volcano Electricity-- our energy future to make fossil fuels obsolete —Preceding undated comment added 04:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC).
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Re [1]: having a PhD doesn't make you a theoretical physicist. You're a TP if you actually practice it, not if you studied it briefly years ago. I believe he used to be a lecturer at UCSD is all very well; if there is a source for that it belongs at Jack Sarfatti William M. Connolley ( talk) 19:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I thought John Grubor and Steve Boursy were more well known than some of the guys listed in this article, shouldn't they belong? 68.81.180.171 ( talk) 15:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Others who may belong: "Dr." Jai Maharaj, Dan Gannon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrao ( talk • contribs) 07:26, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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I don't think Archimedes Plutonium is notable. We might call him a "fake crank". He mainly uses his pseudo theories to anoy and insult people, which is obvious from here: http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2832666 His false status as a crank or even usenet celebrity helps him maintain his spam in sci.math, and attracts other similar spammers like John Gabriel, Bassam King Karzeddin, etc.. These other spammers then produce less camouflaged hate speech, including Eugenics etc..
Jan Burse ( talk) 13:57, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
I Archimedes Plutonium, thinks that Jan Burse, in my opinion, ought to be put into a Swiss jail or prison as a one man crusader who is anxious to tear down every web site that deals with Archimedes Plutonium. Jan Burse in my opinion is a hatemonger of anything that deals with Archimedes Plutonium. 2600:387:B:5:0:0:0:8B ( talk) 05:57, 3 August 2020 (UTC)AP
It is high time for a separate page of Archimedes Plutonium with his 127 published books of science in Amazon Kindle. 2600:387:B:5:0:0:0:54 ( talk) 20:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)AP
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Going through Special:DoubleRedirects and trying to get uneditable redirects fixed (in this case, to Usenet personality). Booyahhayoob ( talk) 21:43, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
He is clearly clogging a lot of newsgroups like sci.physics, sci.math, and recently comp.lang.prolog. I wouldn't know that his Atomic theory has anything to do with comp.lang.prolog. So he shows signs of trolling behaviour, moving his spamming feud to other newsgroups. Jan Burse ( talk) 08:56, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Eccentric - Yes. Criminal - No. -- Bduke ( talk) 09:34, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
These and similar articles are a true disgrace and a pure infamy: not just *totally biased and unfair*, these are in fact the acts of the very self-appointed bullies and psychos who are actually responsible for the demise of Usenet, systematically offending, provoking, libelling and spamming the Usenet and in fact every public forum on Earth for at least two decades now. And even if you don't see how these nazi sociopaths and their actions are killing all life and intelligence on this planet, this and similar articles have just no reason on Earth to exist on Wikipedia and should be immediately *deleted*, plus excuses offered to all parties unduly involved.
PLEASE DELETE THIS OBSENITY AND OFFENCE TO ALL DECENCY. If nobody will, I will do it myself in exactly 48 hours from now. 93.41.99.242 ( talk) 10:34, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
... you know, this page, or something very like it in the future, was one reason I wrote the net.legends FAQ three decades ago now. it's still there in the Usenet FAQ-posting mechanism, it's just turned off, < http:// www.faqs.org/faqs/net-legends-faq/ >; mirrors exist at, among other places, < https://hack.org/mc/texts/net-legends.txt >, < http://www.barkingduck.net/ehayes/essays/ > in four parts, and < https://www.linux.it/~md/usenet/ > (Italian page), as well as Tim Skirvin's < http://wiki.killfile.org/mirror/net.legends/ >.
If you'd like to reference it here, feel free, please. It feels very weird to me to see such a page with zero mention of it?
--David DeLaney, currently dbdatvic {at} gmail.com
ps: I can't imagine why Wikipedia would have experienced problems with links to faqs!org, but I've spaced it out above so it's not a direct link. If anyone wants to go look, it's there since I think 1995. 2601:840:4380:2DF:ADB0:D4A2:A34B:5A6E ( talk) 00:05, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure). Jenks24 ( talk) 08:38, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
Usenet personality → List of Usenet personalities – The actual content on what such a personality is is minimal. Indeed, the talk page has a notice explaining that the article exists to aggregate users with some coverage but not enough for an article. I don't think Usenet is unique enough to justify a non-list article about one of its user-types anyhow; at least, nothing that wouldn't be merged into something under . Mach61 ( talk) 04:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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I noted when I renamed the article and discussion pages that there is the Talk:Usenet celebrity/Archive page and the Talk:Usenet celebrity/Archive 1 page. However only one of these, the second one, is linked to at the top of this page. The other one, that is, the first one, is linked to in the blue explanation box. Does this need to be addressed or repaired? .`^) Paine diss`cuss (^`. 08:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Why does Tim Maroney redirect to Usenet celebrity when there's no mention of him on the page, or even in this talk page? Kay Dekker ( talk) 16:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Can this article and talk page be unprotected now so that unregistered users can edit and make comments? We can quickly restore protection if necessary. -- TS 20:16, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
A collection of
crank posts from sci.math
over the years is available at
www.math-atlas.org. It includes posts from some of the personalities listed in this article, including Archimedes Plutonium, Jack Sarfatti, and Alexander Abian. (It is also available as a link from
Crank dot net.) It is interesting, if not amusing, reading. —
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It is time for Archimedes Plutonium, King of Science, to have his own separate Wikipedia page, considering he has published 128 science books in less than 2 years. For according to AP, that if Wikipedia had existed in 1st century AD, that Wikipedia would have given Jesus Christ just one paragraph, not even his own page, but a paragraph in a list of terrorists of Rome, while giving Roman Geshnortz 4 or 5 pages (Dr. Tao, Dr. Wiles for fake math), and Romania Geshnortz 4 or 5 pages because she wants to be famous for "wanting to be famous as a blonde airhead". We can well understand Wikipedia editors are running around to look for airheads to give them 4 or 5 pages, but the point of Wikipedia is to evaluate "worthy news". AP, the King of Science needs his own separate page in Wikipedia. 2600:387:B:5:0:0:0:7A ( talk) 03:26, 15 August 2020 (UTC)AP
What is a "Usenet celebrity?" I never saw the term outside of the Wikipedia article.
To the extent that anyone listed could be a "celebrity" in the usual sense of the word for reasons pertaining to Usenet posts, the only one on the whole list would have to be Kibo, and I wouldn't swear in a court of law that his twenty years of mildly amusing Usenet posts would get him a cup of coffee. Hipcrime and Serdar Argic were spammers pure and simple, Archimedes Plutonium is a depressingly maladroit and painfully unfunny wannabe Kibo clone, the Internet Oracle is a PERL script, B1FF was a pseudonym created for purposes of trolling (or, if you prefer, "Usenet performance art"), and--with the honorable exceptions of the late Gharlane of Eddore and those listed under "Other Personalities"--most of the rest of the people listed are shrill, obnoxious, obsessed cranks whose freely chosen online behavior: to wit, monomaniacal devotion to reducing the signal-to-noise ratio of various Usenet newsgroups in the 1990s, have made them unwelcome in most any online community forevermore. That is a rather odd sort of fame, in my opinion.
And if that's the kind of "fame" you're talking about, then your list is missing Richard Bullis, Edmond Wollmann, Tim "Three Fucking Weeks" Thorne, Bruce Daniel Kettler, John Martin Grubor, Jerry M. "Dr. Richard X. Frager" "Art Wholeflaffer" Kolnick, Dave Tholen, Viv "Fucknozzle Jr." Eshwar, Doctress Neutopia, Erik "Erik Mouse" McDarby, Emmett Earl Gulley, Brad Jessness, Alexa Cameron, Tim "Skidmark" Brown, the late Earl Gordon Curley, and... well, I could go on and on, couldn't I?
In all seriousness, I don't grasp what this article is about or what these people have in common. Kibo got a TV commercial or two fifteen years ago. No one else on the list got that much fame, for good or ill. I don't get it, guys. I don't get it.
Did someone come in here from AUK and try to post a list of Usenet kooks? And then someone else was afraid of a lawsuit, I'm just guessing here, and rather than delete the article, renamed it "Usenet celebrities" and added Kibo and John Baez in an attempt to prevent Valery Fabrikant from suing Jimbo Wales from his padded cell for character assassination?
There's nothing and no one notable here, nay, not one. If you're going to put up a list of Usenet cranks do so, but don't sugar-coat it by pretending it's something else. This article is neither encyclopedic nor worthy of the bytes it occupies. Where do I go to suggest deletion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.61.156.96 ( talk) 00:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
>>>What is a "Usenet celebrity?" I never saw the term outside of the Wikipedia article.
The term has been around since at least the mid-to-late 1990s, mostly on account of the efforts made by Joel Furr and a few others who preceded him to chronicle such persons. Since Usenet as it was known then didn't survive the transition to today's Internet very well, some historical details were bound to have been lost.
Now, on another topic real quick - soc.motss was one of the major newsgroups back when I read newsgroups. With such a large and strong community on the net, of course homophobes would spring up. Any notability there to speak of? I remember Ted Kaldis and Daniel Karnes on alt.flame and other newsgroups, both particularly ubiquitous and obnoxious for long periods at various times. There was also another guy, whose name I've possibly forgotten (Philip Stromer, maybe?), who posted extremely offensive and homophobic material to rec.sport.pro-wrestling for quite some time. Once he started posting the same sort of material to other, better-read newsgroups, he found himself fired by Sun for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RadioKAOS ( talk • contribs) 01:09, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Jesse F. Hughes devised a unique trick in his sci.math postings by making his signature block for sci.math contain "quotes out of context" by various other sci.math particpants. And the Hughes trick was to hunt through posts of others looking for a sentence that would make that poster look bad. So that Hughes's signature block would not have Hughes's name but rather a "quote out of context" and the name of another poster who Hughes did not like. And these signature blocks would be repeated over and over again, with the upshot that a new reader could not really tell who the true author of the Hughes post was, and where quoted author was made to look bad because the out of context quote was selected by Hughes to make that person look bad. Jesse F. Hughes goes by the alias Phiwum as a Wikipedia editor and claims on his Wikipedia page "about him" that he is a college professor teaching on the East Coast in the Massachussets area. This seems rather contradictory to me, as I was often a target of Hughes's signature block and complained to News Admin Net Abuse that Hughes's was not only "quoting out of context" which no college professor that I know of would continue such practice when asked to stop that behaviour, and when such a practice verges on forgery. So it is my opinion that a entry in Wikipedia Usenet Celebrities is warranted for Jesse F. Hughes as a College Professor who sees no wrong or harm in quoting out of context a different author and inserting that quote with authors name as his signature block. It is my opinion that Hughes is ** pushing the envelope** of good and bad behaviour as it relates to quoting out of context and the name of another in his signature block which is hard to tell who was the author of Hughes post. There are hundreds of Hughes post to sci.math where names other than Hughes are in the signature block. Now I know that in Medicine there is a code of conduct, the Hypocratic Oath of do no harm to patients. But is there some College Academia Code of Conduct that professors in Colleges who commit to quoting out of context and are spinning those quotes as a hate-mill to sci.math and when asked to stop that habit and frequent pleas to News Admin Net Abuse of Hughes's signature block. Is there some Code of Conduct by Colleges that can stop Hughes from maligning other people who post to the Usenet? 216.16.55.208 ( talk)Concerned Reader of Usenet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.16.55.208 ( talk) 18:38, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
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I have had troubles with the Wikipedia entry of Archimedes Plutonium ever since the first entry appeared almost 10 or more years ago which one editor described as a "mockfest". Entrees that contained the words or cited to words of "kook", "crank", "crackpot", and had me living in Montana and had me as a fired dishwasher and had my clothes all written on. A truly genuine total mockfest, and the straw that broke my back was when these editors around 2005 insisted I be saddled with a false nickname of Arky. So I called for the Attorney General to inquire into Wikipedia circa 2005 and my entry was dropped immediately. But up sprang new entries of Archimedes Plutonium which we see two of them today. But my Request is that I would like to know if Wikipedia has a Editor Tag? A tag not unlike the "call for deletion tag". Only the editor tag is a tag in which private citizens who are displayed in Wikipedia can ask for a higher level editor of Wikipedia to look into whether a individual or "gang of editors" at Wikipedia is beating up unfairly on this private individual. It is unrealistic that a person featured in Wikipedia with a false and racial slur of a nickname of Arky has to spend oodles of time and contacting the Attorney General, because a gang of editors of Wikipedia find it fun to harass private individuals. A case in point is that the editor DMacks is charging Archimedes Plutonium for disruption of entrees, but that DMacks has placed a Deletion tag not on the entry I have been reverting but rather, DMacks has taken it upon himself (herself) to tag for deletion a different page which was never in question. And so, I respectfully request that private citizens who are featured with an entry in Wikipedia be allowed to post a TAG on a entry which that tag requires a higher level managing editor to investigate whether a gang of editor bullies is harrassing that private citizen. I lost a lot of time in having the Attorney General remove a racial slur of a nickname. So Please, provide a Tag that investigates whether there is a gang of editors at Wikipedia that find it pleasurable to harrass people featured and where I can type in the names of a few editors who seem to stalk and keep an inordinate eye on every move made of the Archimedes Plutonium entry. 216.16.55.208 ( talk) Thanks for such a tag —Preceding undated comment added 19:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC).
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Respectfully Request the Nomination for Deletion Tag over at Likebox/Archimedes Plutonium be moved over here to AP/Usenet CelebrityTo keep the Likebox/Archimedes Plutonium page because it is objective and quiet and peacefull. It is this entry of AP that is noisy and a combative zone of AP with editors. DMacks has it all wrong with the accusation and charge of "magnet for edits". This page of Likebox/Archimedes Plutonium has been a quiet and peaceful page. The page that needs consideration for Deletion is the Usenet Celebrity entry of Archimedes Plutonium where that entry is a magnet for edits. One can only guess the intentions of DMacks in wanting to delete this quiet and peaceful page of Likebox/Archimedes Plutonium so as to have only one entry of AP packed with words like "crank, crackpot, kook" I have respectfully requested a TAG be put on this page asking for senior managing-editors to review the long tortorous history of the Archimedes Plutonium entry and the combativeness of a gang of editors usually lead by DMacks. On the DMacks info page concerning DMack says that he/she attended Penn University and Brown and subjects of chemistry. When the AP page was torn down circa 2005, because the Attorney General had sent a letter to Wikipedia asking why its editors insisted on pegging Archimedes Plutonium with a false and racial slur of a nickname-- Arky, And the speed at which Wikipedia tore down the page was gratifying to me, but shortly after it was torn down, that some Wikipedia editors then located several defunct organizations to thence reinstall the Wikipedia page that the Attorney General asked to be removed. And such pages that appear on a Google Search of Archimedes Plutonium of Indopedia encyclopedia with the intention of throwing in the word "crank" of that old Wikipedia page. And then the sci.chem Uncle Al hatespam of "how stooopid is Archie Poo". So I have to ask what was the role of DMacks in the resurrection of all those old Wikipedia pages in defunct organizations such as Indopedia and of the curmudgeon Uncle Al Schwartz based in sci.chem and DMacks linked with sci.chem, so I have to ask what role does the Wikipedia editor DMacks have in the packing of websites that demonize Archimedes Plutonium? Are some editors at Wikipedia playing demonizing and harrassement of private citizens and using Wikipedia editing privileges in order to malign innocent private citizens? When will editors like DMacks and a list of others, easily found on the talk discussion pages of Usenet Celebrity-- Archimedes Plutonium? When will they be happy-- when the entry of Archimedes Plutonium reads the same as Uncle Al's "Archie Poo is stooopid, more stupid than dirt" and referenced with words of "crank, crackpot, psychoceramic, kook". So if DMacks gets his way on this Likebox/Archimedes Plutonium page which has been quiet and peaceful for 2 years now, then DMacks is well on his/her way of a full DEMONIZATION of Archimedes Plutonium. Ask DMacks a simple question-- since he studied chemistry which requires logical coherence, ask him/her why charge this peaceful and quiet page for Deletion when all the noise occurred over at the other Archimedes Plutonium page. Seems like incoherent logic on the part of DMacks. So I respectfully request that the Deletion of Likebox/Archimedes Plutonium be undone, and that Deletion process be transfered and voted on for the Archimedes Plutonium Usenet Celebrity page where the noise seems to emanate. And I respectfully request that Wikipedia have a TAG, similar to a Deletion tag that investigates whether some editors are rogue and whether they form gangs that pick on private persons of their entry in Wikipedia, because ever since Wikipedia had Archimedes Plutonium some 10 years ago, the ride has felt like "pulling teeth." So can a managing editor please provide some links to a TAG that investigates a group of Wikipedia editors which I suspect are unduly harrassing Archimedes Plutonium and who want to install a "demonization entry" of Archimedes Plutonium. 216.16.55.93 ( talk)Private Citizen who has followed this drama for years. —Preceding undated comment added 23:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC). |
The current Usenet Celebrities is too much of a overall negative tone, as if good people and good posters do not exist in Usenet and this is an attempt to address that. Also, I challenge the category that has criminals and mental issues, since it probably reflects more on the mental state of the authors and editors who created this page than it reflects on the Usenet community at large. For instance the largest entry is that of a mental case of MI5. Is that really appropriate? And the issue of a murderer who may have posted a few times to the Usenet, and thus the appropriateness of such an entry. And what is the standard for that? Are we to see murderers and criminals who made a few posts as filling up this site? The site is sorely lacking great and good posters which I think, and most people would agree that the majority of posters to Usenet are good people, but we find it hard to see that in what this site now shows. So I nominate two posters that I think show the best in what a Usenet poster can be. (1) Her name was Henrietta in the 1990s and I believe she went on to be the head of her own newsgroup in the law and lawyer news groups. Her posts showed a woman of extreme compassion and intelligence and her posts would be a model for others. And the second candidate is (2) LWalk and some say L. Walker going with the alias "Transfer Principle" who posts mostly in sci.math. This poster I have known for about 5 years and his ability to enter into a discussion of hatemongering other posters and to afford them respect, where most all other posters would have rather handcuffed the ruffians is a remarkable talent. LWalk is a model of a compassionate person and how one can conduct themselves on Usenet even though it is surrounded by profanity, hatred. So I think Wikipedia should revise Usenet Celebrities far beyond what it currently is. It's current presentation is of a negative overtone that is not representative of the bigger picture that Usenet is composed mostly of good people, whose posts are valuable to read and learn. 216.16.54.94 ( talk)Superdeterminism —Preceding undated comment added 03:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC). |
It is easily seen from the discussion history of this site and from the older sites of Archimedes Plutonium that he is treated unfairly. This site Usenet Celebrities was created because of the need to cover AP whose site was torn down circa 2005 due to a Attorney General letter enquiry into Wikipedia because of the false racial slur of a nickname "Arky" that the Wikipedia editors were trying to saddle AP with. So the AP site was torn down for it was commented by outside observers that the AP site was mostly a mockfest with racial slurs and works like "crank", "crackpot", "psychoceramics". Because it was torn down, and rapidly removed, Loadmaster-- David Tribble created this new site now called Usenet Celebrities in response to the AP removal. Now comes the analysis of why Archimedes Plutonium is severely prejudiced by this site. At first Loadmaster sandwiched AP in between criminals listed and it took AP several months to rectify that problem. Much of the harsh words of "crank, crackpot, psychoceramics" were not removed for they are still seen in the references cited. But worst of all, is that all the other persons listed in this site are afforded webpages, or archives or specific Usenet posts as citations, but AP is not allowed or afforded that same respect. Having watched this Wikipedia site for years now, it is my opinion that if DMacks were in charge that the entry of Archimedes Plutonium would read like this: AP is a crackpot, a crank, a psychoceramic. But since Loadmaster is the editor in charge of this site, AP's entry has the words crank crackpot and psychoceramic not listed directly but indirectly in the references. It is my opinion that the reason AP is never afforded the same citations of webpage, archives or Usenet posts is because, then Loadmaster cannot pelt or pommel AP with crank, crackpot or psychoceramic.
And in my opinion,the reason that criminals and MI5 appears in Usenet Celebrities is that the entire site is just a negative backdrop to what DMacks, David Tribble and other Wikipedia editors wish to paint the picture of Archimedes Plutonium as a demon devil. Mind you, they may not be doing it intentionally but subconsciously they hate AP so much that they do not know themselves of what they do. 216.16.54.94 ( talk) Volcano Electricity-- our energy future to make fossil fuels obsolete —Preceding undated comment added 04:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC).
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Re [1]: having a PhD doesn't make you a theoretical physicist. You're a TP if you actually practice it, not if you studied it briefly years ago. I believe he used to be a lecturer at UCSD is all very well; if there is a source for that it belongs at Jack Sarfatti William M. Connolley ( talk) 19:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I thought John Grubor and Steve Boursy were more well known than some of the guys listed in this article, shouldn't they belong? 68.81.180.171 ( talk) 15:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Others who may belong: "Dr." Jai Maharaj, Dan Gannon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrao ( talk • contribs) 07:26, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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I don't think Archimedes Plutonium is notable. We might call him a "fake crank". He mainly uses his pseudo theories to anoy and insult people, which is obvious from here: http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2832666 His false status as a crank or even usenet celebrity helps him maintain his spam in sci.math, and attracts other similar spammers like John Gabriel, Bassam King Karzeddin, etc.. These other spammers then produce less camouflaged hate speech, including Eugenics etc..
Jan Burse ( talk) 13:57, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
I Archimedes Plutonium, thinks that Jan Burse, in my opinion, ought to be put into a Swiss jail or prison as a one man crusader who is anxious to tear down every web site that deals with Archimedes Plutonium. Jan Burse in my opinion is a hatemonger of anything that deals with Archimedes Plutonium. 2600:387:B:5:0:0:0:8B ( talk) 05:57, 3 August 2020 (UTC)AP
It is high time for a separate page of Archimedes Plutonium with his 127 published books of science in Amazon Kindle. 2600:387:B:5:0:0:0:54 ( talk) 20:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)AP
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Going through Special:DoubleRedirects and trying to get uneditable redirects fixed (in this case, to Usenet personality). Booyahhayoob ( talk) 21:43, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
He is clearly clogging a lot of newsgroups like sci.physics, sci.math, and recently comp.lang.prolog. I wouldn't know that his Atomic theory has anything to do with comp.lang.prolog. So he shows signs of trolling behaviour, moving his spamming feud to other newsgroups. Jan Burse ( talk) 08:56, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Eccentric - Yes. Criminal - No. -- Bduke ( talk) 09:34, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
These and similar articles are a true disgrace and a pure infamy: not just *totally biased and unfair*, these are in fact the acts of the very self-appointed bullies and psychos who are actually responsible for the demise of Usenet, systematically offending, provoking, libelling and spamming the Usenet and in fact every public forum on Earth for at least two decades now. And even if you don't see how these nazi sociopaths and their actions are killing all life and intelligence on this planet, this and similar articles have just no reason on Earth to exist on Wikipedia and should be immediately *deleted*, plus excuses offered to all parties unduly involved.
PLEASE DELETE THIS OBSENITY AND OFFENCE TO ALL DECENCY. If nobody will, I will do it myself in exactly 48 hours from now. 93.41.99.242 ( talk) 10:34, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
... you know, this page, or something very like it in the future, was one reason I wrote the net.legends FAQ three decades ago now. it's still there in the Usenet FAQ-posting mechanism, it's just turned off, < http:// www.faqs.org/faqs/net-legends-faq/ >; mirrors exist at, among other places, < https://hack.org/mc/texts/net-legends.txt >, < http://www.barkingduck.net/ehayes/essays/ > in four parts, and < https://www.linux.it/~md/usenet/ > (Italian page), as well as Tim Skirvin's < http://wiki.killfile.org/mirror/net.legends/ >.
If you'd like to reference it here, feel free, please. It feels very weird to me to see such a page with zero mention of it?
--David DeLaney, currently dbdatvic {at} gmail.com
ps: I can't imagine why Wikipedia would have experienced problems with links to faqs!org, but I've spaced it out above so it's not a direct link. If anyone wants to go look, it's there since I think 1995. 2601:840:4380:2DF:ADB0:D4A2:A34B:5A6E ( talk) 00:05, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure). Jenks24 ( talk) 08:38, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
Usenet personality → List of Usenet personalities – The actual content on what such a personality is is minimal. Indeed, the talk page has a notice explaining that the article exists to aggregate users with some coverage but not enough for an article. I don't think Usenet is unique enough to justify a non-list article about one of its user-types anyhow; at least, nothing that wouldn't be merged into something under . Mach61 ( talk) 04:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)