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Seems to like there's no need for a separate article on PIFTS.exe. The contents of PIFTS.exe and Norton AntiVirus#PIFTS.exe are almost identical. Astronaut ( talk) 19:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
This edit has removed mention of PIFTS.exe from this article, leaving the separate article effectively orphaned. I've reverted that edit for the time being (until consensus is reached). Astronaut ( talk) 13:17, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I think it would be a good idea to merge it. But would the only problem is that the PIFTS file was pushed to people running NAV and NIS as far as I know so perhaps both articles would have a mention of it, imo it doesn't warrant an article of it's own. Jamshud ( talk) 17:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
In the article it says "Updates kill legitimate software On the January 28, 2010 Symantec Anti-virus marked Spotify as a Trojan horse disabling the software across millions of PCs"
Trojan horse links to " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_horse" , I think it should link to " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_horse_(computing)". The reader would be more interested in knowing about the computer signification of trojan horse rather than the historical one, I think.
That In mind, I have no idea how to edit a wiki page beyond grammar mistakes, so someone should do this. 156.34.15.180 ( talk) 16:09, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
See this and this by User:Jacob Poon. When I first starting editing Norton AntiVirus, there was no information about versions prior to 2006, probably due to a lack of reliable sources; I can't seem to find any. If the information is to be added, I think there should just be one section titled '2006 and Previous' or divided up into at most two subsections due to a lack of actual information. TechOutsider ( talk) 20:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)TechOutsider
This seems to be nonconstructive. The user/IP address never provided one reference. I gave him a week to cough up the reference. However, he/she never did and claims references were provided. Again, the section is unreferenced and will be removed one week from the date of this message. TechOutsider ( talk) 01:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)TechOutsider
I am massively less familiar than you with the workings of editing wikipedia. I would like to bring this issue to some sort of dispute resolution process, but am uncertain how to go about it. I did try, by following the "talk" link.
However it isn't a promising start for any resolution, that you respond by assuming I'm someone who changes my IP address in some sinister fashion. I have never even heard the term "IP hopper" before this minute. I am in fact just an ordinary UK citizen who has recently (and only once, ever) changed internet provider. I previously had a username HotelNewHampshire, which may still have my personal details, but have found problems logging in.
It is an extraordinarily aggressive and inappropriate step in response to an attempted negotiation to seek to block my address. It is as if, in real life you responded to a civilised approach by seeking to have me arrested. This is my permanent address - with, if it helps, O2. I don't believe you would act that way in person, but people feel able to behave differently online.
The disputed entry in the article, is something I feel fairly strongly about, because I feel Symantec are a company who should not have to resort to such aggressive sales measures. The truth of the entry is manifestly verifiable. I don't know what wikipedia's rules are on this, but I would very much like some direct feedback from them on this specific matter, so that it is clear just what sort of reference they do require in such a case.
It was interesting to discover, initially, that every time I entered the reference to the matter on Symantec's own page, I then discovered the page had been moved. The continual deletion of this entry feels rather like the same thing.
I say again, I would like to resolve this issue one way or the other, and without a war. Given that Wikipedia aims to provide completeness and accuracy in its articles, I hope it can find a way to make that possible in this case. Perhaps the ideal way, however, would be for Symantec would be to withdraw the offending screen altogether.
User:Menwith was right. The refs don't help. The first sentence about Africa is supported only by one guy's speculation, a guy whose blurb says "he is fascinated by the technical aspects of computers", not that he knows a damn thing about them. And all he says is that it's "at least one theory ". The second is from a journalist. Give me a break. And even she says "wildly speculated" where this article has "speculated", as if speculation by unnamed idiots was news either way. Let's have some facts, please. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 18:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Purpose of my edits in the page"Norton Antivirus"
Presently the article claims symantec and other major antivirus vendors have whitelisted the magic lantern keylogger (of concern to various people for reason listed in the article). The only citation supporting the claim that symantec isn't alone in whitelisting matgic lantern is the kapersky article which names mcafee. Mcaffee, however; has denied cooperation and whitelisting and there seems no solid evidence to the contrary. " See: http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/11/48648 This being the case, the only company whitelisting/cooperating with the magic lantern program, so far as the citations show, is Symantec. If anyone has information which can support the present language, feel free to provide it. Is their any objection to modifying the language in the article to remove the reference to other major antivirus vendors? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Δζ ( talk • contribs) 17:35, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
In May 2010, reports started to appear on the Symantec user forum that the virus definition updates after May 10th were incompatible with Norton AntiVirus 2002 and 2003. The updates are installed when LiveUpdate is run, but after that, AutoProtect is switched off, and trying to run a scan results in an error message. It is unclear whether this signifies the end of virus definition update support for NAV 2002/2003, or whether it is a bug that will be fixed in later updates. This generic message, posted by a Symantec employee, seems to suggest the former: http://community.norton.com/t5/Norton-Internet-Security-Norton/Older-Versions-of-NAV-NIS-Suddenly-Inoperable/td-p/232965 Many users on the forum have complained that if updates no longer work with a certain version of NAV, then the update should not be installed automatically on those versions, and users should be warned about this. As it is, many users may be no longer protected against viruses without being aware of this. I have not found any reference to this on "reputable news or tech sites", but I thought I'd post this on the talk page, so the regular contributors can keep an eye on this, and maybe add information about it to the article once it becomes available. -- 84.198.246.199 ( talk) 17:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
In the article, thought I might find criticisms of the huge virus def files that are being downloaded. This is for Norton 2006: The files are something like 130MB, and they download 3 or 4 times a day. That'll fill up even a large hard drive pretty soon. Older virus def files never seem to be deleted. Myrvin ( talk) 14:31, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes thanks - done it. All the huge files were deleted automatically. Myrvin ( talk) 08:48, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Can someone peruse both articles and update them accordingly? It seems this article is lagging behind that article. -- Tyw7 ( ☎ Contact me! • Contributions) → To be or not to be? 01:59, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
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While reading through the article with a self-admitted anti-Symantec bias (I don't like them one bit but I can try to be objective) I noticed the use of the phrase "Disadvantages of older versions before 2009" as a section header. Reading through the subsection, I wondered why it was written to be pre-2009. It sounded like a marketing executive trying to show that the new product is better. I went through the history and found who put that line in, one
BorisVasilev22 who also put in the section "Norton vs others" whose current text is
"Performance and protection capabilites
From the 2009 to 2012 editions, Symantec made huge changes to their products' speed and performance. Norton products now have only 2 running processes, using about 15 mb of RAM.[37] According to PassMark Security Benchmark 2012 Norton AntiVirus and Norton Internet Security are the lightest suites available. Av-comparatives.org also tested these products and give similar results.[38] PCMag recognises 2011 and 2012 lines as the fastest and strongest in protection.[39] PCWorld's tests of security software put Norton Internet Security 2009 on the 1-st place.[40] In 2011's test of PCWorld Norton Internet Security was the winner. Av-test.org certifies Norton, putting it on a second place after BitDefender.[41]. Many other reputable sources like Dennis Technology Labs confirm the performance and effectivness of Norton 2011 and 2012 lines.[42]"
The entire section is incredibly pro-Symantec and I started through the references. The PassMark reference (37) holds as true, sort of. The 15 mb claim is not in the reference, and I'm going to change that to what it is. Also, the whole reference is a study funded by Symantec corp (notice in the data that all Symantec listings are highlighted and it specifies Symantec funding at the end) which makes it suspect, at least in my eyes. Symantec also wrote some of the test scripts for use in the test, which could very easily cause bad data. Also, a paper by PassMark rated another program far above Symantec; Webroot. And guess who funded that paper? Webroot. (
http://www.webroot.com/shared/pdf/Webroot_SecureAnywhere_vs_antivirus_competitors_27Sept2011.pdf)
The second reference does not hold the claims; " Av-comparatives.org also tested these products and give similar results.[38]" is not held up in the Av-comparatives paper. In that paper, different results were found. In the conclusion, the Av-comparatives paper grouped all products tested into three categories, and advised users to consider products of the same category to be equal quality. Symantec was rated in the highest category, along with 9 other Internet security programs, including the one rated lowest by the Passmark study (also suspect). That study was not funded by Symantec and I consider it to be more reliable, although I'm not a fan of their methodology. PCMag's article seems to be a well-written, glowing review of Norton, speaking so highly of protocols that give me creeps. I can't reputably disagree with the article, however. The Av-test page rates two people above Norton, across all three categories, rather than one as previously claimed. Finally, the Dennis Technology Labs also rated Symantec as best, and was also funded by Symantec.
Here's how I would write this section:
"Performance and protection capabilities
From the 2009 to 2012 editions, Symantec made changes to improve their products' speed and performance. Norton products have less running processes, using about 24 mb of RAM.[37] According to a study funded by Symantec, the PassMark Security Benchmark 2012 stated that Norton AntiVirus and Norton Internet Security are the lightest suites available. Av-comparatives.org also rated Norton Internet Security to be among the lightest suites of Internet security programs.[38] PCMag recognises 2011 and 2012 lines as the fastest and strongest in protection.[39] PCWorld's tests of security software put Norton Internet Security 2009 in 1st place.[40] Av-test.org certifies Norton, putting it on a third place after BitDefender[41] and F-Secure. Another study paid for by Symantec from Dennis Technology Labs confirms the performance and effectiveness of the Norton 2011 and 2012 lines.[42]"
I'll probably wander back around in a week or so if nobody has any objections and make the change. Or maybe I'll forget to. At least now all this is out there for everyone else to look at. --
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The story of PIFTS.EXE seems incredibly trivial and nearly irrelevant. A separate page on this is up for deletion ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PIFTS.exe) and a commenter there noted that it was originally merged here, and the redirect was later reverted by an IP editor, so WP:Merge and Delete requires the page remain as a redirect.
Instead, I think the section should be removed from this page, and the PIFTS.EXE article can then be deleted. PIFTS.EXE was a forgettable non-notable event, and the worst part of a bloated out-of-control criticism section. Should the section be deleted? D O N D E groovily Talk to me 12:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone know why WhiteSmoke (Virus) redirects to this article? There is no mention of it in the text, nor does there seem to have been any at the time that redirect page was created. Is it some sort of underhand advertising? 78.73.90.148 ( talk) 09:31, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
It seems like there is a giant gap in the history of norton AV on this page. It goes from version 5, then straight to version 2006. I'm running version 2001 right now, where are all of the others? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.48.201.54 ( talk) 15:19, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
I still have a lot of computers with Norton AV 10 at the NFP I work for as an IT Tech Support agent, I'd like to know more about it because they did buy a license.
Thanks. — Preceding
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I bought your product yesterday ! But it is not coming up! Where is it ?wank_ken@yahoo.com 198.210.66.155 ( talk) 17:56, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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Seems to like there's no need for a separate article on PIFTS.exe. The contents of PIFTS.exe and Norton AntiVirus#PIFTS.exe are almost identical. Astronaut ( talk) 19:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
This edit has removed mention of PIFTS.exe from this article, leaving the separate article effectively orphaned. I've reverted that edit for the time being (until consensus is reached). Astronaut ( talk) 13:17, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I think it would be a good idea to merge it. But would the only problem is that the PIFTS file was pushed to people running NAV and NIS as far as I know so perhaps both articles would have a mention of it, imo it doesn't warrant an article of it's own. Jamshud ( talk) 17:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
In the article it says "Updates kill legitimate software On the January 28, 2010 Symantec Anti-virus marked Spotify as a Trojan horse disabling the software across millions of PCs"
Trojan horse links to " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_horse" , I think it should link to " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_horse_(computing)". The reader would be more interested in knowing about the computer signification of trojan horse rather than the historical one, I think.
That In mind, I have no idea how to edit a wiki page beyond grammar mistakes, so someone should do this. 156.34.15.180 ( talk) 16:09, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
See this and this by User:Jacob Poon. When I first starting editing Norton AntiVirus, there was no information about versions prior to 2006, probably due to a lack of reliable sources; I can't seem to find any. If the information is to be added, I think there should just be one section titled '2006 and Previous' or divided up into at most two subsections due to a lack of actual information. TechOutsider ( talk) 20:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)TechOutsider
This seems to be nonconstructive. The user/IP address never provided one reference. I gave him a week to cough up the reference. However, he/she never did and claims references were provided. Again, the section is unreferenced and will be removed one week from the date of this message. TechOutsider ( talk) 01:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)TechOutsider
I am massively less familiar than you with the workings of editing wikipedia. I would like to bring this issue to some sort of dispute resolution process, but am uncertain how to go about it. I did try, by following the "talk" link.
However it isn't a promising start for any resolution, that you respond by assuming I'm someone who changes my IP address in some sinister fashion. I have never even heard the term "IP hopper" before this minute. I am in fact just an ordinary UK citizen who has recently (and only once, ever) changed internet provider. I previously had a username HotelNewHampshire, which may still have my personal details, but have found problems logging in.
It is an extraordinarily aggressive and inappropriate step in response to an attempted negotiation to seek to block my address. It is as if, in real life you responded to a civilised approach by seeking to have me arrested. This is my permanent address - with, if it helps, O2. I don't believe you would act that way in person, but people feel able to behave differently online.
The disputed entry in the article, is something I feel fairly strongly about, because I feel Symantec are a company who should not have to resort to such aggressive sales measures. The truth of the entry is manifestly verifiable. I don't know what wikipedia's rules are on this, but I would very much like some direct feedback from them on this specific matter, so that it is clear just what sort of reference they do require in such a case.
It was interesting to discover, initially, that every time I entered the reference to the matter on Symantec's own page, I then discovered the page had been moved. The continual deletion of this entry feels rather like the same thing.
I say again, I would like to resolve this issue one way or the other, and without a war. Given that Wikipedia aims to provide completeness and accuracy in its articles, I hope it can find a way to make that possible in this case. Perhaps the ideal way, however, would be for Symantec would be to withdraw the offending screen altogether.
User:Menwith was right. The refs don't help. The first sentence about Africa is supported only by one guy's speculation, a guy whose blurb says "he is fascinated by the technical aspects of computers", not that he knows a damn thing about them. And all he says is that it's "at least one theory ". The second is from a journalist. Give me a break. And even she says "wildly speculated" where this article has "speculated", as if speculation by unnamed idiots was news either way. Let's have some facts, please. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 18:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Purpose of my edits in the page"Norton Antivirus"
Presently the article claims symantec and other major antivirus vendors have whitelisted the magic lantern keylogger (of concern to various people for reason listed in the article). The only citation supporting the claim that symantec isn't alone in whitelisting matgic lantern is the kapersky article which names mcafee. Mcaffee, however; has denied cooperation and whitelisting and there seems no solid evidence to the contrary. " See: http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/11/48648 This being the case, the only company whitelisting/cooperating with the magic lantern program, so far as the citations show, is Symantec. If anyone has information which can support the present language, feel free to provide it. Is their any objection to modifying the language in the article to remove the reference to other major antivirus vendors? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Δζ ( talk • contribs) 17:35, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
In May 2010, reports started to appear on the Symantec user forum that the virus definition updates after May 10th were incompatible with Norton AntiVirus 2002 and 2003. The updates are installed when LiveUpdate is run, but after that, AutoProtect is switched off, and trying to run a scan results in an error message. It is unclear whether this signifies the end of virus definition update support for NAV 2002/2003, or whether it is a bug that will be fixed in later updates. This generic message, posted by a Symantec employee, seems to suggest the former: http://community.norton.com/t5/Norton-Internet-Security-Norton/Older-Versions-of-NAV-NIS-Suddenly-Inoperable/td-p/232965 Many users on the forum have complained that if updates no longer work with a certain version of NAV, then the update should not be installed automatically on those versions, and users should be warned about this. As it is, many users may be no longer protected against viruses without being aware of this. I have not found any reference to this on "reputable news or tech sites", but I thought I'd post this on the talk page, so the regular contributors can keep an eye on this, and maybe add information about it to the article once it becomes available. -- 84.198.246.199 ( talk) 17:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
In the article, thought I might find criticisms of the huge virus def files that are being downloaded. This is for Norton 2006: The files are something like 130MB, and they download 3 or 4 times a day. That'll fill up even a large hard drive pretty soon. Older virus def files never seem to be deleted. Myrvin ( talk) 14:31, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes thanks - done it. All the huge files were deleted automatically. Myrvin ( talk) 08:48, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Can someone peruse both articles and update them accordingly? It seems this article is lagging behind that article. -- Tyw7 ( ☎ Contact me! • Contributions) → To be or not to be? 01:59, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
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While reading through the article with a self-admitted anti-Symantec bias (I don't like them one bit but I can try to be objective) I noticed the use of the phrase "Disadvantages of older versions before 2009" as a section header. Reading through the subsection, I wondered why it was written to be pre-2009. It sounded like a marketing executive trying to show that the new product is better. I went through the history and found who put that line in, one
BorisVasilev22 who also put in the section "Norton vs others" whose current text is
"Performance and protection capabilites
From the 2009 to 2012 editions, Symantec made huge changes to their products' speed and performance. Norton products now have only 2 running processes, using about 15 mb of RAM.[37] According to PassMark Security Benchmark 2012 Norton AntiVirus and Norton Internet Security are the lightest suites available. Av-comparatives.org also tested these products and give similar results.[38] PCMag recognises 2011 and 2012 lines as the fastest and strongest in protection.[39] PCWorld's tests of security software put Norton Internet Security 2009 on the 1-st place.[40] In 2011's test of PCWorld Norton Internet Security was the winner. Av-test.org certifies Norton, putting it on a second place after BitDefender.[41]. Many other reputable sources like Dennis Technology Labs confirm the performance and effectivness of Norton 2011 and 2012 lines.[42]"
The entire section is incredibly pro-Symantec and I started through the references. The PassMark reference (37) holds as true, sort of. The 15 mb claim is not in the reference, and I'm going to change that to what it is. Also, the whole reference is a study funded by Symantec corp (notice in the data that all Symantec listings are highlighted and it specifies Symantec funding at the end) which makes it suspect, at least in my eyes. Symantec also wrote some of the test scripts for use in the test, which could very easily cause bad data. Also, a paper by PassMark rated another program far above Symantec; Webroot. And guess who funded that paper? Webroot. (
http://www.webroot.com/shared/pdf/Webroot_SecureAnywhere_vs_antivirus_competitors_27Sept2011.pdf)
The second reference does not hold the claims; " Av-comparatives.org also tested these products and give similar results.[38]" is not held up in the Av-comparatives paper. In that paper, different results were found. In the conclusion, the Av-comparatives paper grouped all products tested into three categories, and advised users to consider products of the same category to be equal quality. Symantec was rated in the highest category, along with 9 other Internet security programs, including the one rated lowest by the Passmark study (also suspect). That study was not funded by Symantec and I consider it to be more reliable, although I'm not a fan of their methodology. PCMag's article seems to be a well-written, glowing review of Norton, speaking so highly of protocols that give me creeps. I can't reputably disagree with the article, however. The Av-test page rates two people above Norton, across all three categories, rather than one as previously claimed. Finally, the Dennis Technology Labs also rated Symantec as best, and was also funded by Symantec.
Here's how I would write this section:
"Performance and protection capabilities
From the 2009 to 2012 editions, Symantec made changes to improve their products' speed and performance. Norton products have less running processes, using about 24 mb of RAM.[37] According to a study funded by Symantec, the PassMark Security Benchmark 2012 stated that Norton AntiVirus and Norton Internet Security are the lightest suites available. Av-comparatives.org also rated Norton Internet Security to be among the lightest suites of Internet security programs.[38] PCMag recognises 2011 and 2012 lines as the fastest and strongest in protection.[39] PCWorld's tests of security software put Norton Internet Security 2009 in 1st place.[40] Av-test.org certifies Norton, putting it on a third place after BitDefender[41] and F-Secure. Another study paid for by Symantec from Dennis Technology Labs confirms the performance and effectiveness of the Norton 2011 and 2012 lines.[42]"
I'll probably wander back around in a week or so if nobody has any objections and make the change. Or maybe I'll forget to. At least now all this is out there for everyone else to look at. --
Waladil (
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11:27, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
The story of PIFTS.EXE seems incredibly trivial and nearly irrelevant. A separate page on this is up for deletion ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PIFTS.exe) and a commenter there noted that it was originally merged here, and the redirect was later reverted by an IP editor, so WP:Merge and Delete requires the page remain as a redirect.
Instead, I think the section should be removed from this page, and the PIFTS.EXE article can then be deleted. PIFTS.EXE was a forgettable non-notable event, and the worst part of a bloated out-of-control criticism section. Should the section be deleted? D O N D E groovily Talk to me 12:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone know why WhiteSmoke (Virus) redirects to this article? There is no mention of it in the text, nor does there seem to have been any at the time that redirect page was created. Is it some sort of underhand advertising? 78.73.90.148 ( talk) 09:31, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
It seems like there is a giant gap in the history of norton AV on this page. It goes from version 5, then straight to version 2006. I'm running version 2001 right now, where are all of the others? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.48.201.54 ( talk) 15:19, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
I still have a lot of computers with Norton AV 10 at the NFP I work for as an IT Tech Support agent, I'd like to know more about it because they did buy a license.
Thanks. — Preceding
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I bought your product yesterday ! But it is not coming up! Where is it ?wank_ken@yahoo.com 198.210.66.155 ( talk) 17:56, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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