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I believe this ranking should be removed from the page altogether until ELO fix their ranking system because all matches prior to partition have been given over to the Republic side in their system, therefore both countrys ranking must be wrong -- Ifcp1 19:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The result of the debate was move. — Nightst a llion (?) 09:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Recently, an anonymous user has been removing that information from the infobox on this page. While it is possible that "they continued to pick from all of Ireland until the 1950s and called themselves simply 'Ireland' for even longer after that", as the user suggests, as far as FIFA is concerned, Nothern Ireland exists as "Northern Ireland" since 1921. That's when Northern Ireland was formed. And the first paragraph of this article explains the history.
The point of Wikipedia is to provide information. If someone is to ask, "when is the first game played by Northern Ireland?", there is no right answer to that. Do they mean, "by Northern Ireland as Northern Ireland" or "by the team representing the Irish Football Association"? That's why both dates are given; both are important matches in the team's history. For similiar situations, see Israel national football team and China national football team. -- Dryazan 17:46, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Recently shown on BBC's Best Night, they said Northern Ireland was known by FIFA as Ireland in 1967, the match coverage and programmes from the game advertise it as Ireland v Scotland.
I'm surprised the team wears green uniforms. Is this controversial? I thought green was strongly identified as a Catholic/Nationalist color. Funnyhat 08:44, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The colours are wrong for the uniform. The NI kit has recently changed, the page should reflect that change. TheWickerMan 15:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
This edit seems baseless. From this offical history at the FAI website:
-- Kwekubo 04:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
How do FIFA rules handle issues like partition and boundary changes? If one's grandparents lived pre partition would the counties they were born in determine which team one could play in or would they be eligible for either? Timrollpickering 00:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Is the UK's Olympic team "Great Britain" or "Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?
see Cfd discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Great_Britain_at_the_Olympics_to_Category:Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_at_the_Olympics -- Mais oui! 22:12, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I propose to move this page to Northern Ireland soccer team. There is more than one type of football played in the region, and the use of the word "national" is contentious.
Lapsed Pacifist 14:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
"Football" bothers me more than "national". Even the Northern Ireland Office acknowledges that the GAA is the biggest sporting organisation in the region. To write "football" as if there was only one kind being played is insulting.
Lapsed Pacifist 16:47, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes they do. Ireland play Australia every year in the compromise rules code.
Lapsed Pacifist 21:02, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Soccer is an unambiguous word. Football is not. I can't understand why this is contentious.
Lapsed Pacifist 21:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
You've lost me.
Lapsed Pacifist 21:30, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Of course I know the difference between the north of a country and the whole of it. You thought the GAA did not operate at international level, and I increased the sum of your knowledge. Go to the
football article, and see why the term is ambiguous. You and I know the six counties don't have a team for any other kind of football. But other users may not. What I don't understand is why you don't like the word soccer.
Lapsed Pacifist 21:52, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
You're about as clear as granite, DJ.
Lapsed Pacifist 22:14, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Why a current campaign section? Is Wikipedia a fixture list now? Stu ’Bout ye! 08:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Is NI the smallest country to qualify for the world cup? The population of T&T is given as 1,305,000 in the wikipedia, anyone know the NI population in 1958? Fasach Nua 23:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
The shop at the IFA website has for sale both an " Away Short Sleeved Jersey" (white with green trim) and an " NI Away Short Sleeved Jersey" (blue with white trim). I cannot say that I have ever seen NI playing in a blue jersey; which of the two is the current away top? Or is the situation similar to, for example, Ghana, who used yellow home and white away jerseys until this year's world cup when FIFA decided the colours were too similar? -- Kwekubo 16:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Idunnomeself
Where has the all blue "third kit" come from? I have never seen the team wear it or anything similar. Also, the new "away kit" is white and navy, not white and black - I'd change it but don't know how. Nifg ( talk) 10:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I've changed the away kit colours to navy and white rather than black and white as per this link http://www.footballshirtculture.com/09/10-kits/northern-ireland-2009-2010-umbro-away-kit.html. Also, could somebody provide a link to where the all blue third shirt as I have never seen it anywhere so have removed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nifg ( talk • contribs) 17:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Impossible. Ask, for example, the following unionist organisations: The Church of Ireland; The Presbyterian Church in Ireland; The Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland.... This latest attempt to give historic legitimacy to the last remnant of the British Empire in Ireland is just as futile as the rest of them. One siege- indeed centuries of sieges- does not make a nation. El Gringo 18:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
There has been an article with the above title created, which is very relevant to this article, on the off chance someone missed it's creation 08:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I've removed a bit of text from this section that says that NI fans are sectarian because they support Rangers. Firstly, I'd have thought that NI fans would be more inclined to support local soccer teams. Second, the definition of 'sectarian' is not 'he who supports Rangers.' I've tightened up some of the English in there as well. -- Eamonnca1 02:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
A perennial point of controversy at Talk:Northern Ireland has been the use of the Ulster Banner to represent NI. There was a fairly interesting discussion recently at Talk:Celtic F.C. which relates to this and I think the matter is settled for now at keeping the use (per UEFA) of the flag to represent the NI team. I thought it possible that some reading here might be interested in the discussion we have had. -- Guinnog 18:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
When did the Ulster Banner first get used to represent the IFA team? If they were "Ireland" till 1950, what flag did they use before then? Perhaps the home nations didn't use flags or anthems at their matches in the way they do in rugby. In which case, the first use of the flag was probably 1957-01-16 in Lisbon against Portugal in 1958 FIFA World Cup qualification#UEFA Group 8. And on a related note, has God Save the Queen been played before every match, and/or has any other anthem ever been used? jnestorius( talk) 20:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Considering the team has done quite well in Europe thus far, this might be an opportune time to recruit support for improving the article, and including it (after improvements) in the Northern Ireland Portal. -- Mal 02:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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I just heard on the news this morning that Lawrie Sanchez has resigned as manager! Edits to the page will have to be made. Leemorrison 13:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed the link, ie this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/2049155.stm, which was used to prove the following statement:
"It is not unknown for Northern Ireland supporters to adopt the Republic of Ireland as their second team when they are not in direct competition"
The above link does not back this up in any way at all, the only slight mention is of some Northern fans giving sympathy to the Republic fans after the 2002 world cup. This does not imply adopting the Republic of Ireland as their second team.
Thus i have removed the link and placed a citation tag. Mabuska 18:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
The flag used for the team pre 1954, in my opinion braches the manual of style. The flag depicted is one of many flags associated with Ireland, the only flag flown at Ireland internationals was the Union flag (as they played in the Home nations), and choosing one flag over the rest is WP:OR. I have removed all the flags, on the historic results section. Fasach Nua 15:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I've copied the current campaign stuff here, maybe something along the lines of Republic of Ireland national football team - record in major tournaments. Fasach Nua ( talk) 10:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I have moved the discussion of the Ireland national football team (IFA) from here to Talk:Ireland national football team (IFA)#This Article. It relates more closely to that article than this one, and I want to avoid the danger of duplicating or splitting the discussion across two pages. The issue is of interest to anyone interested in this article, as it asks:
All comments encouraged on that Talk: page. jnestorius( talk) 20:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Why not have a hyperlink about the NIR Matches since 2000 because if you luck at David Healy's Carrer and missed matches it is all the matches that NIR have played since 2000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.64.118.172 ( talk) 19:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
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Regarding the edit by User:Kevin_McE, I take your point on IFS. But the earlier line is specfically providing the name of the state in question and it's misleading & wrong to say its ROI as it did not later become the Republic of Ireland, however that label is put on the state in cases of ambiguity. Also menioning the correct name of the state is important inorder to put in context the name issue regarding the two football teams. ROI use throughout the article is fine, but in this circumstance is incorrect.Comments? SitNGo ( talk) 19:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
The United Kingdom is also describe as a Republic and so is France , and Tiawan to name but a few yet they get called their offical names why doesnt Ireland ? It is recognised as such by the EU and UN . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.197.59 ( talk) 18:50, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
The current description of the rules are unclear, and, I fear, inaccurate. A non-UK born holder of a UK passport is equally eligible for any of the four home nations teams (thus Maik Taylor for NI, Pat van den Hauwe for Wales etc), but this seems to be overlooked in the current analysis. Kevin McE ( talk) 23:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
The article doesn't make it entirely clear weather Northern Irish catholics support this team or the Republic of Ireland team. Could anyone find an answer to this - and if neccesary add to the article. ps: thanks must go out to the user who censored this question (twice now!) when I last asked it! WP is not a forum does not apply here because I am clearly discussing something that would be useful if added to the article. 202.67.71.162 ( talk) 23:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Fasach Nua, please stop making controversial changes to the opening paragraph without first gaining a consensus for the changes as per WP:BRD. You've changed the opening para several times now, all without reference and citations to back up your claims. Please stop this disruptive behavior. -- HighKing ( talk) 09:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
(outdent)The current opening paragraph reads:
This isn't accurate - the Northern Ireland team is not seen as a continuation, although the IFA as an organization is a continuation. A small but important difference. -- HighKing ( talk) 16:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
This article incorrectly lists the "First Game", "Biggest Win", and "Biggest Defeat". All the games mentioned were played by the Ireland national football team, and not by this team, Northern Ireland. Anyone know what the right data should be? Methinks the correct data (from the FIFA website and from this website) should be:
Anyone else know? -- HighKing ( talk) 18:07, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
(outdent)I've updated the records according to the official FIFA website. The pre-1921 results are not attributed to the current Northern Ireland team history. Should I include a citation? -- HighKing ( talk) 21:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
(outdent)I understand. My point about 1924 is conjecture on my part - an attempt to understand why they picked 1924 - and I am assuming that they rejoined FIFA as the organizational body for the Northern Ireland national side at that point. They very well may have been free to organize other teams (i.e. Not a NI national side) for other competitions (e.g. British Home Championships). You say that there is no dispite that there is continuity from the first Ireland team to the Northern Ireland team today. Well, I disagree slightly - the IFA has coninuity. The IFA's record is a single record. But again, I point out that the Northern Ireland national football team (NINFT) is not the same as the all-Ireland team. And this is what this article is about. Or put another way. There's a number of questions pertinent to this:
Perhaps if the article was named "Senior Teams organized by the IFA" it would make sense to include the all-Ireland stats as part of this article. Or perhaps the best thing is to create a section dealing specifically with the non-NINFT matches and results? -- HighKing ( talk) 16:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Obviously FIFA considers the entire history of the IFA international team to be an unbroken line perhaps if you restate what your questions are, these can be addressed appropriately 19:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Here's a reference for NI's record going back to 1882:
. And editors here continue to mix up the country (Northern Ireland) with the FIFA member association (Irish FA), with this team that this article is about (Northern Ireland National Football Team). As to Fasach Nua's questions above, the NINFT was created when the IFA became a FIFA member in 1923. That is why FIFA use EIR for matches before that date, and NIR for matches after that date.
(outdent)
Just stating some facts as they've been established:
So the main question in order to get to the bottom of this:
I have just updated the current squad and also Recent Call-Ups section. If anyone feels that the recent call-ups bit is too long move it here for easier modification for future squads. Cheers! -- Nifg ( talk) 10:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I think this entire section should be removed or at least re written, the Lennon saga was over 9 years ago and i feel no longer relevant to the current team. -- Pumba( talk) 20:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.103.156 ( talk)
Mooretwin has demanded that I take this to talk instead of "edit warring" as he calls my single revert. The following text has been removed: "However, crowd trouble remains a problem." This is a perfectly valid statement and is supported by the citation given. There was crowd trouble at the NI/Scotland game at the weekend, ergo crowd trouble remains a problem. -- Eamonnca1 ( talk) 18:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
There was no crowd trouble at the Scotland game. There was not a single arrest outside the ground or in Dublin that day. If crowd trouble is pissed up fans urinating in the streets then we better cancel St Paddys day Fifa-NI ( talk) 21:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
There are 3 codes in Ireland and Northern Ireland called football hence why it's Association_football_in_Northern_Ireland not Football_in_Northern_Ireland Gnevin ( talk) 21:14, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Northern Ireland does not have a flag, so why is it being used? The flag that is being used does not exist anymore. Sheodred ( talk) 15:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
The article currently says "On 18 February 1882, fifteen months after the founding of the Irish FA, Ireland made their international debut against England, losing 13–0 in a friendly played at Bloomfield in Belfast. This remains the record win for England and the record defeat for the (Northern) Ireland team."
What was the "(Northern) Ireland team" that played in 1882? There was no such place as "Northern Ireland", no such team as "Northern Ireland" and certainly no such team as "(Northern) Ireland". The team was called "Ireland", the country was called "Ireland" and there was nothing "Northern" or "(Northern)" about it. -- Eamonnca1 TALK 17:56, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Not the way to conduct a constructive discussion. Given that the team in question is the subject of the article, paraphrasing was not difficult: now reads "This remains the record defeat for the team, and also England's largest winning margin." Kevin McE ( talk) 15:29, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
The above was discussed a few years ago on this page. Does any one have any sources around why the players wear green? There was a suggestion by one editor that they formerly wore blue. Any sources around that too? Thanks. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
The section may be clear enough for British or Irish people, but for foreigners like me it's not quite clear. From what I know about the Northern Ireland conflict, I would guess that Republicans/Catholics do not usually cheer for Northern Ireland, but for the Republic. But I don't know if that's true, because the section is very vague. Please make it better understandable for non-British/Irish people. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.228.45 ( talk) 01:48, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
I have changed this to 'historic' in its title, for reasons outlined in edit summary, Also the first line of the first paragraph is in past tense as is much of the article thus it makes sense for the title to be also. Can always be changed back if new issues arise which as a supporter I see as unlikely. Open to discussion though as I do have an aforementioned bias. — Preceding
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Someone wiped out the flag on the football fox tag! All pictures where that's supposed to be has been declared null!
SOMEONE FIX THIS!
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Please stop removing the distiction between the Ireland national football team (1882–1950) and the Northern Ireland team. It is not disputed that one is the successor of the other, but that doesn't mean it's the same thing. There is an important distinction between the two, hence Wikipedia has two articles. Removing that distinction removes informative material. Leaving the article as it was shows that the modern Northern Ireland team is the successor of the old Ireland team, but acxknowledges that things changed, and the modern Northern Ireland team does not represent the whole of Ireland, or claim to. It is a different entity than the old Ireland team, even if there is continuity between them. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 20:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Can I say, as cordially as possible, to wholesale revert significant edits under "Minor tidy up" if not disingenuous is at least sub-optimal as far constructively improving an article goes. The two previous edits that were effectively reverted were summarised as follows:
"expanded context per existing reference" "removed "Historic" prefix, seems inappropriate in context of opening sentence referencing sectarian incidents in 2010s"
Edit #1 was merely expanding the section using an existing reference, and Edit #2 was slightly altering the section title to more accurately reflect the existing text. Neither would justify a stealth reversion and I'm somewhat surprised it happened. NelsonEdit2 ( talk) 21:10, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Hey @ HateBigotry:
Just wondering why you like the previous version of the Individual Records better? Felixsv7 ( talk) 09:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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I believe this ranking should be removed from the page altogether until ELO fix their ranking system because all matches prior to partition have been given over to the Republic side in their system, therefore both countrys ranking must be wrong -- Ifcp1 19:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The result of the debate was move. — Nightst a llion (?) 09:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Recently, an anonymous user has been removing that information from the infobox on this page. While it is possible that "they continued to pick from all of Ireland until the 1950s and called themselves simply 'Ireland' for even longer after that", as the user suggests, as far as FIFA is concerned, Nothern Ireland exists as "Northern Ireland" since 1921. That's when Northern Ireland was formed. And the first paragraph of this article explains the history.
The point of Wikipedia is to provide information. If someone is to ask, "when is the first game played by Northern Ireland?", there is no right answer to that. Do they mean, "by Northern Ireland as Northern Ireland" or "by the team representing the Irish Football Association"? That's why both dates are given; both are important matches in the team's history. For similiar situations, see Israel national football team and China national football team. -- Dryazan 17:46, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Recently shown on BBC's Best Night, they said Northern Ireland was known by FIFA as Ireland in 1967, the match coverage and programmes from the game advertise it as Ireland v Scotland.
I'm surprised the team wears green uniforms. Is this controversial? I thought green was strongly identified as a Catholic/Nationalist color. Funnyhat 08:44, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The colours are wrong for the uniform. The NI kit has recently changed, the page should reflect that change. TheWickerMan 15:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
This edit seems baseless. From this offical history at the FAI website:
-- Kwekubo 04:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
How do FIFA rules handle issues like partition and boundary changes? If one's grandparents lived pre partition would the counties they were born in determine which team one could play in or would they be eligible for either? Timrollpickering 00:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Is the UK's Olympic team "Great Britain" or "Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?
see Cfd discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Great_Britain_at_the_Olympics_to_Category:Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_at_the_Olympics -- Mais oui! 22:12, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I propose to move this page to Northern Ireland soccer team. There is more than one type of football played in the region, and the use of the word "national" is contentious.
Lapsed Pacifist 14:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
"Football" bothers me more than "national". Even the Northern Ireland Office acknowledges that the GAA is the biggest sporting organisation in the region. To write "football" as if there was only one kind being played is insulting.
Lapsed Pacifist 16:47, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes they do. Ireland play Australia every year in the compromise rules code.
Lapsed Pacifist 21:02, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Soccer is an unambiguous word. Football is not. I can't understand why this is contentious.
Lapsed Pacifist 21:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
You've lost me.
Lapsed Pacifist 21:30, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Of course I know the difference between the north of a country and the whole of it. You thought the GAA did not operate at international level, and I increased the sum of your knowledge. Go to the
football article, and see why the term is ambiguous. You and I know the six counties don't have a team for any other kind of football. But other users may not. What I don't understand is why you don't like the word soccer.
Lapsed Pacifist 21:52, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
You're about as clear as granite, DJ.
Lapsed Pacifist 22:14, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Why a current campaign section? Is Wikipedia a fixture list now? Stu ’Bout ye! 08:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Is NI the smallest country to qualify for the world cup? The population of T&T is given as 1,305,000 in the wikipedia, anyone know the NI population in 1958? Fasach Nua 23:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
The shop at the IFA website has for sale both an " Away Short Sleeved Jersey" (white with green trim) and an " NI Away Short Sleeved Jersey" (blue with white trim). I cannot say that I have ever seen NI playing in a blue jersey; which of the two is the current away top? Or is the situation similar to, for example, Ghana, who used yellow home and white away jerseys until this year's world cup when FIFA decided the colours were too similar? -- Kwekubo 16:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Idunnomeself
Where has the all blue "third kit" come from? I have never seen the team wear it or anything similar. Also, the new "away kit" is white and navy, not white and black - I'd change it but don't know how. Nifg ( talk) 10:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I've changed the away kit colours to navy and white rather than black and white as per this link http://www.footballshirtculture.com/09/10-kits/northern-ireland-2009-2010-umbro-away-kit.html. Also, could somebody provide a link to where the all blue third shirt as I have never seen it anywhere so have removed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nifg ( talk • contribs) 17:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Impossible. Ask, for example, the following unionist organisations: The Church of Ireland; The Presbyterian Church in Ireland; The Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland.... This latest attempt to give historic legitimacy to the last remnant of the British Empire in Ireland is just as futile as the rest of them. One siege- indeed centuries of sieges- does not make a nation. El Gringo 18:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
There has been an article with the above title created, which is very relevant to this article, on the off chance someone missed it's creation 08:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I've removed a bit of text from this section that says that NI fans are sectarian because they support Rangers. Firstly, I'd have thought that NI fans would be more inclined to support local soccer teams. Second, the definition of 'sectarian' is not 'he who supports Rangers.' I've tightened up some of the English in there as well. -- Eamonnca1 02:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
A perennial point of controversy at Talk:Northern Ireland has been the use of the Ulster Banner to represent NI. There was a fairly interesting discussion recently at Talk:Celtic F.C. which relates to this and I think the matter is settled for now at keeping the use (per UEFA) of the flag to represent the NI team. I thought it possible that some reading here might be interested in the discussion we have had. -- Guinnog 18:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
When did the Ulster Banner first get used to represent the IFA team? If they were "Ireland" till 1950, what flag did they use before then? Perhaps the home nations didn't use flags or anthems at their matches in the way they do in rugby. In which case, the first use of the flag was probably 1957-01-16 in Lisbon against Portugal in 1958 FIFA World Cup qualification#UEFA Group 8. And on a related note, has God Save the Queen been played before every match, and/or has any other anthem ever been used? jnestorius( talk) 20:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Considering the team has done quite well in Europe thus far, this might be an opportune time to recruit support for improving the article, and including it (after improvements) in the Northern Ireland Portal. -- Mal 02:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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I just heard on the news this morning that Lawrie Sanchez has resigned as manager! Edits to the page will have to be made. Leemorrison 13:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed the link, ie this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/2049155.stm, which was used to prove the following statement:
"It is not unknown for Northern Ireland supporters to adopt the Republic of Ireland as their second team when they are not in direct competition"
The above link does not back this up in any way at all, the only slight mention is of some Northern fans giving sympathy to the Republic fans after the 2002 world cup. This does not imply adopting the Republic of Ireland as their second team.
Thus i have removed the link and placed a citation tag. Mabuska 18:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
The flag used for the team pre 1954, in my opinion braches the manual of style. The flag depicted is one of many flags associated with Ireland, the only flag flown at Ireland internationals was the Union flag (as they played in the Home nations), and choosing one flag over the rest is WP:OR. I have removed all the flags, on the historic results section. Fasach Nua 15:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I've copied the current campaign stuff here, maybe something along the lines of Republic of Ireland national football team - record in major tournaments. Fasach Nua ( talk) 10:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I have moved the discussion of the Ireland national football team (IFA) from here to Talk:Ireland national football team (IFA)#This Article. It relates more closely to that article than this one, and I want to avoid the danger of duplicating or splitting the discussion across two pages. The issue is of interest to anyone interested in this article, as it asks:
All comments encouraged on that Talk: page. jnestorius( talk) 20:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Why not have a hyperlink about the NIR Matches since 2000 because if you luck at David Healy's Carrer and missed matches it is all the matches that NIR have played since 2000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.64.118.172 ( talk) 19:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
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Regarding the edit by User:Kevin_McE, I take your point on IFS. But the earlier line is specfically providing the name of the state in question and it's misleading & wrong to say its ROI as it did not later become the Republic of Ireland, however that label is put on the state in cases of ambiguity. Also menioning the correct name of the state is important inorder to put in context the name issue regarding the two football teams. ROI use throughout the article is fine, but in this circumstance is incorrect.Comments? SitNGo ( talk) 19:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
The United Kingdom is also describe as a Republic and so is France , and Tiawan to name but a few yet they get called their offical names why doesnt Ireland ? It is recognised as such by the EU and UN . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.197.59 ( talk) 18:50, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
The current description of the rules are unclear, and, I fear, inaccurate. A non-UK born holder of a UK passport is equally eligible for any of the four home nations teams (thus Maik Taylor for NI, Pat van den Hauwe for Wales etc), but this seems to be overlooked in the current analysis. Kevin McE ( talk) 23:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
The article doesn't make it entirely clear weather Northern Irish catholics support this team or the Republic of Ireland team. Could anyone find an answer to this - and if neccesary add to the article. ps: thanks must go out to the user who censored this question (twice now!) when I last asked it! WP is not a forum does not apply here because I am clearly discussing something that would be useful if added to the article. 202.67.71.162 ( talk) 23:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Fasach Nua, please stop making controversial changes to the opening paragraph without first gaining a consensus for the changes as per WP:BRD. You've changed the opening para several times now, all without reference and citations to back up your claims. Please stop this disruptive behavior. -- HighKing ( talk) 09:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
(outdent)The current opening paragraph reads:
This isn't accurate - the Northern Ireland team is not seen as a continuation, although the IFA as an organization is a continuation. A small but important difference. -- HighKing ( talk) 16:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
This article incorrectly lists the "First Game", "Biggest Win", and "Biggest Defeat". All the games mentioned were played by the Ireland national football team, and not by this team, Northern Ireland. Anyone know what the right data should be? Methinks the correct data (from the FIFA website and from this website) should be:
Anyone else know? -- HighKing ( talk) 18:07, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
(outdent)I've updated the records according to the official FIFA website. The pre-1921 results are not attributed to the current Northern Ireland team history. Should I include a citation? -- HighKing ( talk) 21:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
(outdent)I understand. My point about 1924 is conjecture on my part - an attempt to understand why they picked 1924 - and I am assuming that they rejoined FIFA as the organizational body for the Northern Ireland national side at that point. They very well may have been free to organize other teams (i.e. Not a NI national side) for other competitions (e.g. British Home Championships). You say that there is no dispite that there is continuity from the first Ireland team to the Northern Ireland team today. Well, I disagree slightly - the IFA has coninuity. The IFA's record is a single record. But again, I point out that the Northern Ireland national football team (NINFT) is not the same as the all-Ireland team. And this is what this article is about. Or put another way. There's a number of questions pertinent to this:
Perhaps if the article was named "Senior Teams organized by the IFA" it would make sense to include the all-Ireland stats as part of this article. Or perhaps the best thing is to create a section dealing specifically with the non-NINFT matches and results? -- HighKing ( talk) 16:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Obviously FIFA considers the entire history of the IFA international team to be an unbroken line perhaps if you restate what your questions are, these can be addressed appropriately 19:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Here's a reference for NI's record going back to 1882:
. And editors here continue to mix up the country (Northern Ireland) with the FIFA member association (Irish FA), with this team that this article is about (Northern Ireland National Football Team). As to Fasach Nua's questions above, the NINFT was created when the IFA became a FIFA member in 1923. That is why FIFA use EIR for matches before that date, and NIR for matches after that date.
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Just stating some facts as they've been established:
So the main question in order to get to the bottom of this:
I have just updated the current squad and also Recent Call-Ups section. If anyone feels that the recent call-ups bit is too long move it here for easier modification for future squads. Cheers! -- Nifg ( talk) 10:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I think this entire section should be removed or at least re written, the Lennon saga was over 9 years ago and i feel no longer relevant to the current team. -- Pumba( talk) 20:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.103.156 ( talk)
Mooretwin has demanded that I take this to talk instead of "edit warring" as he calls my single revert. The following text has been removed: "However, crowd trouble remains a problem." This is a perfectly valid statement and is supported by the citation given. There was crowd trouble at the NI/Scotland game at the weekend, ergo crowd trouble remains a problem. -- Eamonnca1 ( talk) 18:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
There was no crowd trouble at the Scotland game. There was not a single arrest outside the ground or in Dublin that day. If crowd trouble is pissed up fans urinating in the streets then we better cancel St Paddys day Fifa-NI ( talk) 21:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
There are 3 codes in Ireland and Northern Ireland called football hence why it's Association_football_in_Northern_Ireland not Football_in_Northern_Ireland Gnevin ( talk) 21:14, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Northern Ireland does not have a flag, so why is it being used? The flag that is being used does not exist anymore. Sheodred ( talk) 15:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
The article currently says "On 18 February 1882, fifteen months after the founding of the Irish FA, Ireland made their international debut against England, losing 13–0 in a friendly played at Bloomfield in Belfast. This remains the record win for England and the record defeat for the (Northern) Ireland team."
What was the "(Northern) Ireland team" that played in 1882? There was no such place as "Northern Ireland", no such team as "Northern Ireland" and certainly no such team as "(Northern) Ireland". The team was called "Ireland", the country was called "Ireland" and there was nothing "Northern" or "(Northern)" about it. -- Eamonnca1 TALK 17:56, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Not the way to conduct a constructive discussion. Given that the team in question is the subject of the article, paraphrasing was not difficult: now reads "This remains the record defeat for the team, and also England's largest winning margin." Kevin McE ( talk) 15:29, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
The above was discussed a few years ago on this page. Does any one have any sources around why the players wear green? There was a suggestion by one editor that they formerly wore blue. Any sources around that too? Thanks. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
The section may be clear enough for British or Irish people, but for foreigners like me it's not quite clear. From what I know about the Northern Ireland conflict, I would guess that Republicans/Catholics do not usually cheer for Northern Ireland, but for the Republic. But I don't know if that's true, because the section is very vague. Please make it better understandable for non-British/Irish people. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.228.45 ( talk) 01:48, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
I have changed this to 'historic' in its title, for reasons outlined in edit summary, Also the first line of the first paragraph is in past tense as is much of the article thus it makes sense for the title to be also. Can always be changed back if new issues arise which as a supporter I see as unlikely. Open to discussion though as I do have an aforementioned bias. — Preceding
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Someone wiped out the flag on the football fox tag! All pictures where that's supposed to be has been declared null!
SOMEONE FIX THIS!
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Please stop removing the distiction between the Ireland national football team (1882–1950) and the Northern Ireland team. It is not disputed that one is the successor of the other, but that doesn't mean it's the same thing. There is an important distinction between the two, hence Wikipedia has two articles. Removing that distinction removes informative material. Leaving the article as it was shows that the modern Northern Ireland team is the successor of the old Ireland team, but acxknowledges that things changed, and the modern Northern Ireland team does not represent the whole of Ireland, or claim to. It is a different entity than the old Ireland team, even if there is continuity between them. -- Nicknack009 ( talk) 20:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Can I say, as cordially as possible, to wholesale revert significant edits under "Minor tidy up" if not disingenuous is at least sub-optimal as far constructively improving an article goes. The two previous edits that were effectively reverted were summarised as follows:
"expanded context per existing reference" "removed "Historic" prefix, seems inappropriate in context of opening sentence referencing sectarian incidents in 2010s"
Edit #1 was merely expanding the section using an existing reference, and Edit #2 was slightly altering the section title to more accurately reflect the existing text. Neither would justify a stealth reversion and I'm somewhat surprised it happened. NelsonEdit2 ( talk) 21:10, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Hey @ HateBigotry:
Just wondering why you like the previous version of the Individual Records better? Felixsv7 ( talk) 09:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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