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I'm sure there are also plenty of WASPs, German-Americans and Western European Jews living in the Northeast. Since the area is so vast, might it be better to avoid listing ethnic groups, especially which ones predominate, in the opening sentence? -- Pastricide! Non-absorbing 16:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I lived near the Roosevelt Mall for 26 years. Not once did I hear the the term "Near Northeast". Never. I went to Northeast High School, not Near Northeast High School. When did that term come into use? RockinRob 03:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Remember Gimbels Department Store? In huge letters beneath its name, on the front wall, it said,"Greater Northeast", and that's how I remember it. When I was very young I took that to mean that the Northeast was better than the rest of Philly. Come to think of it, it was the best back then (1960s through the 80s)
Make a note to monitor changes to recreation and culture. Someone seems to hate the recent Fox Chase expansion plans into Burlholme Park and keeps making edits to that point
The Raj Bhakta "Save the Northeast" campaign seems like advertisement for Raj's campaign - 68.32.34.152 00:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
It has pretty much what is needed for such an article. Throughly well written and easy to read. It would need more book references to expand the article but as of now it has enough references. Lincher 18:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Hope no one minds, I started to flesh-out the area for Parkwood...Appreciate any and all help Shoessss 15:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
The city fully incorporated the entire county in 1950, not 1854. This included major areas of the Northeast, including Bustleton, Rhawnhurst, Foxchase, Somerton, etc. The 1854 date may have validity for other sections of the Northeast, but I believe they were in the lower Northeast.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjlemi ( talk • contribs)
Here is a book reference for the Northeast, unfortunately only one page, but relevant to more sections of the article than the inline citations I have added to the text. <ref name='Philadelphia 300'>{{cite book | last = Weigley (Editor)| first = Russell | coauthors = Joseph S. Clark, Jr. and Dennis J. Clark| title = 'Philadelphia, A 300-Year History'| publisher = W.W. Norton | location = New York, NY | year = 1982 |pages = 699| isbn = 0393016102 }}</ref>
In May 2011, a 1.7 magnitude earthquake hit the area, resulting in a rumbling boom and shaking buildings. It was the second one in the Philadelphia area that month.(see: "Earthquake caused boom in N.E. Philly", "News Video: USGS: Earthquake Hit NE Philly")
Great article, I think. Just a few comments:
In the "Geography" section is this:
The footnote to that has a link to an archived webpage, but the linked page doesn't come up — not on my computer, anyway. The statement is contradicted by the article's map, in which the dividing line appears to be Pennypack Creek (i.e., farther north). To me, the creek seems like the correct divider, but I think part of this has to do with when one was born and/or where one grew up.
Here's what I mean: The article says that Bridesburg, Port Richmond, and Fishtown are sometimes said to be part of the Northeast, though they lie south of Frankford/Tacony Creek (which the article names as the Northeast's southern border). Indeed, the article's map highlights "Kensington," south of the creek, as part of the Northeast; that, I'd guess, roughly corresponds to the aforenamed Bridesburg, Port Richmond, and Fishtown.
It's certainly not unreasonable to think of that "Kensington" section as part of the Northeast. In the first place, it is located where the Delaware River swings to the northeast (above Spring Garden Street); it would likely have seemed a "northeast" part of the city to the inhabitants of the original, colonial section (downtown, near the river). Geographically, it's the root of the northeast wing of the city's territory. (By "northeast wing," I mean all three sections that are hightlighted in the map, i.e., basically everything east of Front Street once the river bends and Front Street keeps going straight northward.) This is reflected in, at least, two things: (1) "Northeast Catholic High School," which is the full name of "North Catholic," which is (was) sited just below Frankford/Tacony creek, in that "Kensington" section. (2) The comment of 05:14 10 June 2008 in the present talk page's section headed "Near Northeast?" The comment, which was posted without an editor-name, is this:
That's not an unreasonable view; but as you see, it includes that "Kensington" area as part of the northeast. I don't know the birth year of the person who posted that, but I myself was born in 1953 and grew up near Northeast High School. That, as you know, is on Cottman Avenue (on the north side); it's in the area that the Wikipedia map shows as the lower (or "Near") northeast. Interestingly, as Wikipedia reports, the school used to be at, of all places, 8th and Lehigh — i.e., seven blocks west of Front Street — where it still had the word "northeast" in its name (Northeast Manual Training School).
My point is this:
That "Kensington" section seems to be "Old Northeast Philadelphia" (my coinage), rather as Ohio, Illinois, and so on used to be "the northwest territory" of the U.S. (Note the year that "Northeast Catholic" opened in that "Kensington" section: 1926.) Similarly: to someone who lived in Oxford Circle and who came of age before, say, 1950, everything above Cottman Avenue might seem "the Far Northeast." That, in fact, is how the Wikipedia text defines that section. On the other hand, the Wikipedia map comports with my sense, i.e., the sense of a person who was born in 1953 and grew up near Cottman. To me and, apparently, whoever drew up that map, the "far" northeast, i.e., the "new" part (obviously not new any more), is, say, above Pennypack Creek.
In other words:
What is "the northeast" and what is the upper or far northeast seem steadily to have moved northward, through the twentieth century, as the city's northeast wing was steadily developed, farther and farther away from center city. 108.36.209.26 ( talk) 02:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
A while ago there was an IP based editor who kept inserting unreferenced statements in regards to the Irish in regards to their demographics and history of the Northeast. Several editors continued to revert his edits, and ask for clarification. If not a discussion here, there were certainly notes on it in the edit reverts. Well, it seems like over time the editor has come back, and while it seems like these unreferenced claims have been added to the article over time.. at very least they were balanced by other edits. Well, it looks like he is back with a vengance.. /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/71.226.216.220 and has recently added four categories (one of which doesn't exist) to this article. In addition, he's clearly made repeated edits related to the Irish to numerous other articles as you can see from his contributions above. The main problem I believe, apart from being unreferenced, is that the edits attribute an undue weight to the topic. Centerone ( talk) 03:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
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I'm sure there are also plenty of WASPs, German-Americans and Western European Jews living in the Northeast. Since the area is so vast, might it be better to avoid listing ethnic groups, especially which ones predominate, in the opening sentence? -- Pastricide! Non-absorbing 16:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I lived near the Roosevelt Mall for 26 years. Not once did I hear the the term "Near Northeast". Never. I went to Northeast High School, not Near Northeast High School. When did that term come into use? RockinRob 03:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Remember Gimbels Department Store? In huge letters beneath its name, on the front wall, it said,"Greater Northeast", and that's how I remember it. When I was very young I took that to mean that the Northeast was better than the rest of Philly. Come to think of it, it was the best back then (1960s through the 80s)
Make a note to monitor changes to recreation and culture. Someone seems to hate the recent Fox Chase expansion plans into Burlholme Park and keeps making edits to that point
The Raj Bhakta "Save the Northeast" campaign seems like advertisement for Raj's campaign - 68.32.34.152 00:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
It has pretty much what is needed for such an article. Throughly well written and easy to read. It would need more book references to expand the article but as of now it has enough references. Lincher 18:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Hope no one minds, I started to flesh-out the area for Parkwood...Appreciate any and all help Shoessss 15:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
The city fully incorporated the entire county in 1950, not 1854. This included major areas of the Northeast, including Bustleton, Rhawnhurst, Foxchase, Somerton, etc. The 1854 date may have validity for other sections of the Northeast, but I believe they were in the lower Northeast.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjlemi ( talk • contribs)
Here is a book reference for the Northeast, unfortunately only one page, but relevant to more sections of the article than the inline citations I have added to the text. <ref name='Philadelphia 300'>{{cite book | last = Weigley (Editor)| first = Russell | coauthors = Joseph S. Clark, Jr. and Dennis J. Clark| title = 'Philadelphia, A 300-Year History'| publisher = W.W. Norton | location = New York, NY | year = 1982 |pages = 699| isbn = 0393016102 }}</ref>
In May 2011, a 1.7 magnitude earthquake hit the area, resulting in a rumbling boom and shaking buildings. It was the second one in the Philadelphia area that month.(see: "Earthquake caused boom in N.E. Philly", "News Video: USGS: Earthquake Hit NE Philly")
Great article, I think. Just a few comments:
In the "Geography" section is this:
The footnote to that has a link to an archived webpage, but the linked page doesn't come up — not on my computer, anyway. The statement is contradicted by the article's map, in which the dividing line appears to be Pennypack Creek (i.e., farther north). To me, the creek seems like the correct divider, but I think part of this has to do with when one was born and/or where one grew up.
Here's what I mean: The article says that Bridesburg, Port Richmond, and Fishtown are sometimes said to be part of the Northeast, though they lie south of Frankford/Tacony Creek (which the article names as the Northeast's southern border). Indeed, the article's map highlights "Kensington," south of the creek, as part of the Northeast; that, I'd guess, roughly corresponds to the aforenamed Bridesburg, Port Richmond, and Fishtown.
It's certainly not unreasonable to think of that "Kensington" section as part of the Northeast. In the first place, it is located where the Delaware River swings to the northeast (above Spring Garden Street); it would likely have seemed a "northeast" part of the city to the inhabitants of the original, colonial section (downtown, near the river). Geographically, it's the root of the northeast wing of the city's territory. (By "northeast wing," I mean all three sections that are hightlighted in the map, i.e., basically everything east of Front Street once the river bends and Front Street keeps going straight northward.) This is reflected in, at least, two things: (1) "Northeast Catholic High School," which is the full name of "North Catholic," which is (was) sited just below Frankford/Tacony creek, in that "Kensington" section. (2) The comment of 05:14 10 June 2008 in the present talk page's section headed "Near Northeast?" The comment, which was posted without an editor-name, is this:
That's not an unreasonable view; but as you see, it includes that "Kensington" area as part of the northeast. I don't know the birth year of the person who posted that, but I myself was born in 1953 and grew up near Northeast High School. That, as you know, is on Cottman Avenue (on the north side); it's in the area that the Wikipedia map shows as the lower (or "Near") northeast. Interestingly, as Wikipedia reports, the school used to be at, of all places, 8th and Lehigh — i.e., seven blocks west of Front Street — where it still had the word "northeast" in its name (Northeast Manual Training School).
My point is this:
That "Kensington" section seems to be "Old Northeast Philadelphia" (my coinage), rather as Ohio, Illinois, and so on used to be "the northwest territory" of the U.S. (Note the year that "Northeast Catholic" opened in that "Kensington" section: 1926.) Similarly: to someone who lived in Oxford Circle and who came of age before, say, 1950, everything above Cottman Avenue might seem "the Far Northeast." That, in fact, is how the Wikipedia text defines that section. On the other hand, the Wikipedia map comports with my sense, i.e., the sense of a person who was born in 1953 and grew up near Cottman. To me and, apparently, whoever drew up that map, the "far" northeast, i.e., the "new" part (obviously not new any more), is, say, above Pennypack Creek.
In other words:
What is "the northeast" and what is the upper or far northeast seem steadily to have moved northward, through the twentieth century, as the city's northeast wing was steadily developed, farther and farther away from center city. 108.36.209.26 ( talk) 02:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
A while ago there was an IP based editor who kept inserting unreferenced statements in regards to the Irish in regards to their demographics and history of the Northeast. Several editors continued to revert his edits, and ask for clarification. If not a discussion here, there were certainly notes on it in the edit reverts. Well, it seems like over time the editor has come back, and while it seems like these unreferenced claims have been added to the article over time.. at very least they were balanced by other edits. Well, it looks like he is back with a vengance.. /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/71.226.216.220 and has recently added four categories (one of which doesn't exist) to this article. In addition, he's clearly made repeated edits related to the Irish to numerous other articles as you can see from his contributions above. The main problem I believe, apart from being unreferenced, is that the edits attribute an undue weight to the topic. Centerone ( talk) 03:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
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