The article needs new sections on - i. Places of Interest ii. Economy iii. Noted personalities iv. Transportation 14.139.209.18 ( talk) 16:58, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
The image of the Himalayas could be replaced with a better one. The image appears upside down but uploads alright when viewed in original size.-- Renzut ( talk) 12:16, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
know about one of the most adaptable tribe in the world, the Karbis of Assam click [www.karbi.wordpress.com] Karbis of North East India The link to the fifth note (a text by verghese) is not working. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.65.214.119 ( talk) 08:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
What's the largest city in Northeast? — goethean ॐ 02:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I have flagged this article for POV. The tone of the article at present describes the region as a whole being less developed than some other parts of India. I would prefer if the blanket statements were toned down or qualified. Also, please provide data for economic development statistics if available. Without them, the statements seem discriminatory. I have deleted a sentence that asserted that people from this region physically resemble North Asians and Southeast Asians. Please avoid blanket statements about physical appearances. If you insist on this, please provide genetic data to back it up. -- Brhaspati\ talk/ contribs 16:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I am willing to expand this article. Can someone tell me how to expand- just upload the entire material at once, or in fragments with continuous review, or first review and then upload?
Maquahuitl 20:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
North-east India is troubled by conflicts and insurgent groups. It can even get worst like the Rwandan Genocide. Western media should go and cover a story about the trouble in North-east India, but they don't. I wonder why. 72.140.235.202 04:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
They should also cover christian terrorist organizations in North East India, but they don't. I wonder why? Probably because it's sponsered by american xian organizations.
http://www.vigilonline.com/reference/relart/christian_terror_in_india.asp
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorism_in_northeast_india.htm
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.145.189 ( talk • contribs)
Ok, sorry to say this, but Chaipau's grasp and knowledge of Indian history is completely flawed, biased and UTTERLY WRONG. Assam (known as Kamarupa in ancient times) was always very much a part of pre-modern India, which obviously accounts for the majority ethnic and demographic makeup of that state. And yes, even Manipur and Nagaland have been historically part of (political AS WELL AS cultural) India. They are even mentioned in several Indian epics, such as the Mahabharata. I'm not going into whether those epics are really history or merely myth, but note that these states were one of the kingdoms visited by Arjuna when he travelled the country during the 13 years of exile. The Mahabharata even clearly documents that he forged a marital alliance with BOTH these kingdoms (try reading the Wiki articles on Ulupi and Chitrangada) by taking the princesses of these kingdoms as wife. Again, Mahabharata may just be an "epic" or "myth" to Western people (and Chaipau), but it clearly demonstrates that these kingdoms were definitely part of the larger political realm that was ancient India.
Wait, there's more. The region that is modern Northeast India, was even part of Asoka's empire, as is clearly documented (even in Wiki articles of the same itself). Just because the Mughals did not care to annex this region formally in THEIR empire, DOES NOT mean that "these regions were never a part of political India until recently", as Chaipau would like us to believe. By that measure, even Kerala (the Mughals never annexed Travancore) is "never a part of modern political India until recently". Nonsense! I am restoring this article to its state before Chaipau vandalized it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.2.107 ( talk • contribs)
Dear Unsigned, you have told Chaipau that "whose knowledge of the matter is only mediocre and ordinary at best". Do you have any points to proove your statement? Your using such language towards Chaipau means that you are more into winning the argument without mattering whether you are correct or wrong. Only the Guwahati and the very western parts of Assam was an historical part of Mahabharata, and the Tripura, and Manipur. But being a part of Mahabharata does not mean that the the social and cultural factors are not of East Asia and South East Asia. The entire North East India including Sikkim are East Asian and South East Asian culture. And if Buddhism spread upto Japan does not mean the now even Japan and China belongs to India. And if that is so than Sanskrit that is made up of European languages as well than the parts of India that have the Sanskrit language should also called to be a political part of Europe and some European nation should by now capture the lands of political modern India where people use Sanskrit and Sanskrit based languages. In NON North East India the people who came from Europe (our fair skinned friends with big eyes and narrow noses), Africa (our dark skinned friends with big eyes and usually broad noses), and the Middle East (our brown friends with big eyes with noses between broad and narrow) all of these population mixed together and thus a mixed culture came up that actually behaved like a single culture over time. But the East Asian people inside present modern India whatever may be the reason did not mixed up with the European, African, and Middle Eastern Indians. This is the reason why today not only the East Asian people of modern India still have the same socio-culture as of the East Asian people outside the borders of modern India unlike the ancient European people in India who have long ago mixed with the African and the Middle Eastern people of ancient India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nayanmipun ( talk • contribs) 08:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
There are PHYSICAL evidence to support all this. One just need to go around the North Eastern part of India and see the cultural and social factors which as Chaipau and I said is the same as other East Asian culture outside the international borers of India. Regarding the armed insurgent groups or rebel governments yes they have done terrorist activities but so that the forces of the Indian government does terrorist activities. However because of the China factor claiming the North East India the Indian government (which is largely controlled by NON East Asian Indians) is being careful these days in dealing with the East Asian India people in the North East India regarding coercive force.
There are a few issues that need to be addressed by a person with expert knowledge of the North-East:
1) The NE may have strong genetic similarity with the people of East and South-East Asia, but I am not so sure about cultural similarity. The most widely languages spoken in the NE, Assamese and Meitei, are in-fact Indo-Aryan languages citation needed, and the script they are written in is closely related to the Bengali script. Neither SE nor East Asia have any regions speaking Indo-Aryan languages to my knowledge.
2) Another argument against the alleged cultural similarity is religion. Again, Hinduism and Christianity seem to predominate in the NE, none of the SE Asian countries have large Hindu or Christian populations to my knowledge. Buddhism and Islam predominate in SE Asia, these religions have many more followers in Maharashtra and Uttar Pradesh, more "mainstream" (whatever that may mean) Indian states. Unlike East Asia, Confucianism and Communism do not play much of a role in NE society.
3) A claim is made that Assam is insignificant in New Delhi (due to the number of seats it has in Parliament), but then so are Punjab, Haryana, Goa, Uttarakhand etc. In fact if that was the criteria for significance, UP and Bihar would be the most siginificant states, but they in fact receive the lowest federal spending per capita.
4) A section needs to be added to detail the discrimination faced by people from the NE in the other regions of India, especially North India. I have seen many newspaper reports in this context, so finding sources should not be too hard.
5) It is absolutely true that the NE is a distinct region that shares affinities with East and SE Asia, but so does Punjab share affinities with Pakistani Punjab, and Tamil Nadu with Sri Lanka. Thus in the context of India, affinities with SE Asia cannot by themselves distinguish the NE, a lack of investment by the Union Government and insurgencies can. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations ( talk) 18:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
1) We have to see more about the written language script issue, but Meitei is not related to Indo-Aryan languages. Yes Assamese is related closely to Bengali language. Other spoken language other than Assamese are pure East Asian and South East Asian language which language experts call this group of languages as Sinitic languages. There are two types of languages in the North East India and other East Asian Indians - tone based languages and non tone based languages. Tone based languages are spoken by using tones means the same word with different tones can mean two completely different meanings. Tone based languages are spoken majorly in China and some East Asian communities in India like the Khamyangs of Arunachal Pradesh. The non tone based languages are like say the European languages means the same word in spoken in different tones yet have the same meaning. Non tone based East Asian languages are spoken majorly in Japan, certain East Asian communities in India and some South East Asian countries. 2) The non Indian South East Asian commuities have also Hinduism as a major religion. Confucianism as a religion is not active in North East India or rather among the East Asian Indians but Sinitic socio-culture the primary socio-cultural factor of North East India and among other non North East East Asian Indians. 3) We need to see more about the political representation. 4) Yes we are not denying that. But we deny if one says that North East Indians do not have sociocultural affinity with East Asian and South East Asia. Infact this is the reason that a non East Asian Indian cannot call a East Asian Indian as a lesser Indians socioculturally or politically because the non East Asian Indians too share socioculture overlapping modern India's political boundary. The situation is that the East Asian people of India are a minority regarding their influence in the legal system in India and at the same time not also a small minority (East Asian Indians are a big minority) that India can call East Asian Indians as some small population whose demands cannot be met because other non East Asian Indians may have to be influenced by the East Asian Indian's cause and demands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nayanmipun ( talk • contribs) 09:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
no empire based in mainland India had controlled any part of what now makes up the country’s Northeast. [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.139.89.222 ( talk) 18:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Chaipau, The lead of an article should be a brief introduction about the article. The points which are very much relevant to the article can be presented in the lead. The lead statements should not be confusing, or misleading the readers. Room for reader self-interpretation is not advisable.
The statement "NE is linguistically and culturally different from rest of India" causes confusion, and leave the reader with the impression that rest of India is linguistically and culturally very similar. The fact is not so. So, these kind of statements should be avoided from the lead. Cheers, -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me..) 06:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Further: The strong presence of Tibeto-Burman languages does not indicate that it is linguistically different from 'rest of India'. What constitutes this 'rest of India'? The North Indian languages are of Indo-Aryan origin, and the South Indian languages are of Dravidian origin. Both are from different linguistic family. So, if your theory is to be followed, the South Indian article should claim that they are linguistically different from 'rest of India' and the North Indian article can claim that they are also linguistically different from 'rest of India' !!! In short, India as a country is not similar. Every part is different from each other. Hence, it is not required to emphasis in the article that North East India is very different from 'rest of India'. Hope I conveyed the point clearly. Cheers, -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me..) 06:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
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User:Indicologist keeps inserting their fringe interpretation of a recent academic study. Indicologist added the claim: "Indian history does not mention any Indo-Aryan migration into India and therefore the position is debatable, especially when Indian epics and genetic studies point to common speciating origin of all Indian peoples" and they addded the following unreliable source: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indians-are-not-descendants-of-aryans-study/1/163645.html (article by journalist Dinesh C Sharma); similar claims are made here http://world.time.com/2011/12/15/the-aryan-race-time-to-forget-about-it/ (article by news editor Ishaan Tharoor).
The actual findings of the study are reported here: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130808123833.htm and they do not back up neither the claims of India Today nor the claims inserted by Indicologist. The abstract of the research paper can be found here: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7263/abs/nature08365.html . The central claim of the abstract is: "We analyse 25 diverse groups in India to provide strong evidence for two ancient populations, genetically divergent, that are ancestral to most Indians today. One, the 'Ancestral North Indians' (ANI), is genetically close to Middle Easterners, Central Asians, and Europeans, whereas the other, the 'Ancestral South Indians' (ASI), is as distinct from ANI and East Asians as they are from each other."
Drawing conclusions not evident in the original source (the research paper) is clearly original research. Furthermore, note that a theory that is not broadly supported by scholarship in its field must not be given undue weight in an article about a mainstream idea. -- Omnipaedista ( talk) 03:59, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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As per citation - "...The region's strategic location is underlined by the fact that it shares a 4,500 km-long international border with its four South Asian neighbours..."
It says the region shares a 4,500 km border. Not that the region has 4,500 km border.
Stating it otherwise is indirect and a little more confusing. Renzut ( talk) 17 June 2017
The article needs new sections on - i. Places of Interest ii. Economy iii. Noted personalities iv. Transportation 14.139.209.18 ( talk) 16:58, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
The image of the Himalayas could be replaced with a better one. The image appears upside down but uploads alright when viewed in original size.-- Renzut ( talk) 12:16, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
know about one of the most adaptable tribe in the world, the Karbis of Assam click [www.karbi.wordpress.com] Karbis of North East India The link to the fifth note (a text by verghese) is not working. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.65.214.119 ( talk) 08:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
What's the largest city in Northeast? — goethean ॐ 02:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I have flagged this article for POV. The tone of the article at present describes the region as a whole being less developed than some other parts of India. I would prefer if the blanket statements were toned down or qualified. Also, please provide data for economic development statistics if available. Without them, the statements seem discriminatory. I have deleted a sentence that asserted that people from this region physically resemble North Asians and Southeast Asians. Please avoid blanket statements about physical appearances. If you insist on this, please provide genetic data to back it up. -- Brhaspati\ talk/ contribs 16:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I am willing to expand this article. Can someone tell me how to expand- just upload the entire material at once, or in fragments with continuous review, or first review and then upload?
Maquahuitl 20:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
North-east India is troubled by conflicts and insurgent groups. It can even get worst like the Rwandan Genocide. Western media should go and cover a story about the trouble in North-east India, but they don't. I wonder why. 72.140.235.202 04:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
They should also cover christian terrorist organizations in North East India, but they don't. I wonder why? Probably because it's sponsered by american xian organizations.
http://www.vigilonline.com/reference/relart/christian_terror_in_india.asp
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorism_in_northeast_india.htm
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.145.189 ( talk • contribs)
Ok, sorry to say this, but Chaipau's grasp and knowledge of Indian history is completely flawed, biased and UTTERLY WRONG. Assam (known as Kamarupa in ancient times) was always very much a part of pre-modern India, which obviously accounts for the majority ethnic and demographic makeup of that state. And yes, even Manipur and Nagaland have been historically part of (political AS WELL AS cultural) India. They are even mentioned in several Indian epics, such as the Mahabharata. I'm not going into whether those epics are really history or merely myth, but note that these states were one of the kingdoms visited by Arjuna when he travelled the country during the 13 years of exile. The Mahabharata even clearly documents that he forged a marital alliance with BOTH these kingdoms (try reading the Wiki articles on Ulupi and Chitrangada) by taking the princesses of these kingdoms as wife. Again, Mahabharata may just be an "epic" or "myth" to Western people (and Chaipau), but it clearly demonstrates that these kingdoms were definitely part of the larger political realm that was ancient India.
Wait, there's more. The region that is modern Northeast India, was even part of Asoka's empire, as is clearly documented (even in Wiki articles of the same itself). Just because the Mughals did not care to annex this region formally in THEIR empire, DOES NOT mean that "these regions were never a part of political India until recently", as Chaipau would like us to believe. By that measure, even Kerala (the Mughals never annexed Travancore) is "never a part of modern political India until recently". Nonsense! I am restoring this article to its state before Chaipau vandalized it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.2.107 ( talk • contribs)
Dear Unsigned, you have told Chaipau that "whose knowledge of the matter is only mediocre and ordinary at best". Do you have any points to proove your statement? Your using such language towards Chaipau means that you are more into winning the argument without mattering whether you are correct or wrong. Only the Guwahati and the very western parts of Assam was an historical part of Mahabharata, and the Tripura, and Manipur. But being a part of Mahabharata does not mean that the the social and cultural factors are not of East Asia and South East Asia. The entire North East India including Sikkim are East Asian and South East Asian culture. And if Buddhism spread upto Japan does not mean the now even Japan and China belongs to India. And if that is so than Sanskrit that is made up of European languages as well than the parts of India that have the Sanskrit language should also called to be a political part of Europe and some European nation should by now capture the lands of political modern India where people use Sanskrit and Sanskrit based languages. In NON North East India the people who came from Europe (our fair skinned friends with big eyes and narrow noses), Africa (our dark skinned friends with big eyes and usually broad noses), and the Middle East (our brown friends with big eyes with noses between broad and narrow) all of these population mixed together and thus a mixed culture came up that actually behaved like a single culture over time. But the East Asian people inside present modern India whatever may be the reason did not mixed up with the European, African, and Middle Eastern Indians. This is the reason why today not only the East Asian people of modern India still have the same socio-culture as of the East Asian people outside the borders of modern India unlike the ancient European people in India who have long ago mixed with the African and the Middle Eastern people of ancient India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nayanmipun ( talk • contribs) 08:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
There are PHYSICAL evidence to support all this. One just need to go around the North Eastern part of India and see the cultural and social factors which as Chaipau and I said is the same as other East Asian culture outside the international borers of India. Regarding the armed insurgent groups or rebel governments yes they have done terrorist activities but so that the forces of the Indian government does terrorist activities. However because of the China factor claiming the North East India the Indian government (which is largely controlled by NON East Asian Indians) is being careful these days in dealing with the East Asian India people in the North East India regarding coercive force.
There are a few issues that need to be addressed by a person with expert knowledge of the North-East:
1) The NE may have strong genetic similarity with the people of East and South-East Asia, but I am not so sure about cultural similarity. The most widely languages spoken in the NE, Assamese and Meitei, are in-fact Indo-Aryan languages citation needed, and the script they are written in is closely related to the Bengali script. Neither SE nor East Asia have any regions speaking Indo-Aryan languages to my knowledge.
2) Another argument against the alleged cultural similarity is religion. Again, Hinduism and Christianity seem to predominate in the NE, none of the SE Asian countries have large Hindu or Christian populations to my knowledge. Buddhism and Islam predominate in SE Asia, these religions have many more followers in Maharashtra and Uttar Pradesh, more "mainstream" (whatever that may mean) Indian states. Unlike East Asia, Confucianism and Communism do not play much of a role in NE society.
3) A claim is made that Assam is insignificant in New Delhi (due to the number of seats it has in Parliament), but then so are Punjab, Haryana, Goa, Uttarakhand etc. In fact if that was the criteria for significance, UP and Bihar would be the most siginificant states, but they in fact receive the lowest federal spending per capita.
4) A section needs to be added to detail the discrimination faced by people from the NE in the other regions of India, especially North India. I have seen many newspaper reports in this context, so finding sources should not be too hard.
5) It is absolutely true that the NE is a distinct region that shares affinities with East and SE Asia, but so does Punjab share affinities with Pakistani Punjab, and Tamil Nadu with Sri Lanka. Thus in the context of India, affinities with SE Asia cannot by themselves distinguish the NE, a lack of investment by the Union Government and insurgencies can. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations ( talk) 18:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
1) We have to see more about the written language script issue, but Meitei is not related to Indo-Aryan languages. Yes Assamese is related closely to Bengali language. Other spoken language other than Assamese are pure East Asian and South East Asian language which language experts call this group of languages as Sinitic languages. There are two types of languages in the North East India and other East Asian Indians - tone based languages and non tone based languages. Tone based languages are spoken by using tones means the same word with different tones can mean two completely different meanings. Tone based languages are spoken majorly in China and some East Asian communities in India like the Khamyangs of Arunachal Pradesh. The non tone based languages are like say the European languages means the same word in spoken in different tones yet have the same meaning. Non tone based East Asian languages are spoken majorly in Japan, certain East Asian communities in India and some South East Asian countries. 2) The non Indian South East Asian commuities have also Hinduism as a major religion. Confucianism as a religion is not active in North East India or rather among the East Asian Indians but Sinitic socio-culture the primary socio-cultural factor of North East India and among other non North East East Asian Indians. 3) We need to see more about the political representation. 4) Yes we are not denying that. But we deny if one says that North East Indians do not have sociocultural affinity with East Asian and South East Asia. Infact this is the reason that a non East Asian Indian cannot call a East Asian Indian as a lesser Indians socioculturally or politically because the non East Asian Indians too share socioculture overlapping modern India's political boundary. The situation is that the East Asian people of India are a minority regarding their influence in the legal system in India and at the same time not also a small minority (East Asian Indians are a big minority) that India can call East Asian Indians as some small population whose demands cannot be met because other non East Asian Indians may have to be influenced by the East Asian Indian's cause and demands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nayanmipun ( talk • contribs) 09:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
no empire based in mainland India had controlled any part of what now makes up the country’s Northeast. [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.139.89.222 ( talk) 18:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Chaipau, The lead of an article should be a brief introduction about the article. The points which are very much relevant to the article can be presented in the lead. The lead statements should not be confusing, or misleading the readers. Room for reader self-interpretation is not advisable.
The statement "NE is linguistically and culturally different from rest of India" causes confusion, and leave the reader with the impression that rest of India is linguistically and culturally very similar. The fact is not so. So, these kind of statements should be avoided from the lead. Cheers, -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me..) 06:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Further: The strong presence of Tibeto-Burman languages does not indicate that it is linguistically different from 'rest of India'. What constitutes this 'rest of India'? The North Indian languages are of Indo-Aryan origin, and the South Indian languages are of Dravidian origin. Both are from different linguistic family. So, if your theory is to be followed, the South Indian article should claim that they are linguistically different from 'rest of India' and the North Indian article can claim that they are also linguistically different from 'rest of India' !!! In short, India as a country is not similar. Every part is different from each other. Hence, it is not required to emphasis in the article that North East India is very different from 'rest of India'. Hope I conveyed the point clearly. Cheers, -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me..) 06:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
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User:Indicologist keeps inserting their fringe interpretation of a recent academic study. Indicologist added the claim: "Indian history does not mention any Indo-Aryan migration into India and therefore the position is debatable, especially when Indian epics and genetic studies point to common speciating origin of all Indian peoples" and they addded the following unreliable source: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indians-are-not-descendants-of-aryans-study/1/163645.html (article by journalist Dinesh C Sharma); similar claims are made here http://world.time.com/2011/12/15/the-aryan-race-time-to-forget-about-it/ (article by news editor Ishaan Tharoor).
The actual findings of the study are reported here: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130808123833.htm and they do not back up neither the claims of India Today nor the claims inserted by Indicologist. The abstract of the research paper can be found here: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7263/abs/nature08365.html . The central claim of the abstract is: "We analyse 25 diverse groups in India to provide strong evidence for two ancient populations, genetically divergent, that are ancestral to most Indians today. One, the 'Ancestral North Indians' (ANI), is genetically close to Middle Easterners, Central Asians, and Europeans, whereas the other, the 'Ancestral South Indians' (ASI), is as distinct from ANI and East Asians as they are from each other."
Drawing conclusions not evident in the original source (the research paper) is clearly original research. Furthermore, note that a theory that is not broadly supported by scholarship in its field must not be given undue weight in an article about a mainstream idea. -- Omnipaedista ( talk) 03:59, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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As per citation - "...The region's strategic location is underlined by the fact that it shares a 4,500 km-long international border with its four South Asian neighbours..."
It says the region shares a 4,500 km border. Not that the region has 4,500 km border.
Stating it otherwise is indirect and a little more confusing. Renzut ( talk) 17 June 2017