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How did this get to be called "American Beaver" when its scientific name is "Canadian beaver"? :) Adam Bishop 19:34, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Man, we Canadian should be up in arms over the Americans stealing all of our taxonomic terms. --
70.77.45.29 (
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13:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
In Yahoo's database, the Canadian beaver has 197,000 pages; American, 98,700; North American, 24,400; New World, 630.
In Google's database, the Canadian beaver has 69,500 pages; American, 56,400; North American, 8,300; New World, 1,410.
--
J.K.Herms (
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09:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
This photo is okay, but it doesn't give us a full view of the animal. It would be nice to have a pic that shows the animal's distinctive tail. the photo on the article has no copyright tag. LadyofHats 21:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
well i find this to be a big inslut ok MR. wise guy how about the canadian egle lol this is not right either so i dont see how funny it is to u to hear that CANADIAN EGLE!!!!!!!!!! change IT
The name North American Beaver is perfectly ok, but it has been shortened to "American Beaver" (As in the USA's beaver). Canada is the country where most of them live, and the Canadian Beaver is an icon of the country. You will never see a cartoon beaver draped in the stars and stripes, but always in the red and white Canadian flag.
The title of this article is a slap across the face of all Canadians. Unfortunately, it is nearly impossible to change it without disruption in Wikipedia.
68.145.210.24 18:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Aren't American Beaver also native to Finland?
Regarding whether the common name of this species is Canadian, American or North American Beaver, [2] implies one species Castor canadensis is called both Canadian and North American, but there are 24 subspecies. [3] has more detailed info and shows the regional distribution across the continent of castor c. Most scientific papers on google seem to imply its North American Beaver and that would be more accurate, sorry as I am to deprive Canada of a national symbol. But I'm not certain, I guess this is why we use scientific rather than common names. Even among flowers and trees the same species can have several common names that are perfectly valid. The Mountain Beaver for instance is neither beaver nor lives in mountains Mhicaoidh 03:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Since the whole article refers to it as the North American Beaver, we should move it to that namespace, no? Any objections? -
TheMightyQuill
17:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. -- Stemonitis 16:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to point this out in case anyone is wondering. An anon IP added this external link, and it was properly (I think) removed:
It contains useful info not found here, but WP:EL says to avoid linking to "Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article." - Agyle 17:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move to American Beaver. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk) 18:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Canadian Beaver → American Beaver — 1) Page move was previously discussed and rejected; 2) Page was [ then moved to a different name than discussed] without visible discussion or consensus (dispite the edit summary in the move); 3) Both sources used list species as "American beaver" [ [7]] [ [8]]. — Old Hoss ( talk) 19:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.I propose we rename the article Castor canadensis, and create redirects at North American Beaver, Canadian Beaver, American Beaver etc. Mind matrix 14:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
The article says the American beaver is smaller than the European beaver, but American's average size is 20 kg while the European average is 18 kg, and the American ones can weigh "up to 45 kg" but the largest European wieghed 31.7 kg. I think there's a mistake somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.168.191.176 ( talk) 13:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
The source on the both beaver's size is sound. Please check if those specifically on the American breed here hold water. Mariomassone ( talk) 18:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was no consensus to move — harej ( talk) ( cool!) 23:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
American Beaver →
Canadian Beaver — The proper scientific name of this animal is 'Castor canadensis', quite literally "Canadian Beaver". A Google search for "Canadian Beaver" yields 68,200 results while "American Beaver" yields only 58,500 or 16.6% less - a significant difference. The Beaver is also a profoundly important national symbol in Canada, where it is just any other animal in the United States, limited primarily to its north. If there is no consensus once again for this move, an alternative name might be "Beaver (Castor canadensis)" which would give you the common name used throughout its natural habitat with the scientific name for disambiguation; however, I believe there is ample reason to make it "Canadian Beaver". -
Nbpolitico (
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13:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
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Name | Google Web | Google Scholar | Google Books |
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American Beaver ("american beaver" -"north american beaver") |
47900 | 788 | 810 |
North American Beaver | 7190 | 441 | 611 |
Canadian Beaver | 59700 | 475 | 716 |
Castor canadensis | 57000 | 5890 | 945 |
Hesperian 02:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
There's something not right with the fact that when one does a search for "Canadian Beaver" they get redirected to "American Beaver". Out of spite I'm tempted to redirect "American Goose" to "
Canada Goose" :P I'd like to support this but feel I must recuse myself because of a strong pro-Canadian bias. To be completely neutral perhaps renaming it to "North American Beaver" would be a better option. --
œ
™
03:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
"the importance of this animal to Canadians (which is irrelevant), and the distribution of this animal (which is irrelevant)." It is not quite that simple, if it where then the Irish would not object so strongly to the use of the term British Isles and also the long long running dispute over the use of
Ireland and the
Republic of Ireland. We have to take into consideration
Wikipedia:Naming conventions#National varieties of English which should also be considered as a counter weight to
Walter Siegmund opposition "per the guidance of
Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Controversial names"? Just counting hits from reliable sources would probably end up with
American football at
Football. Because the majority of English language sources originate in the USA, to reflect Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, consideration has to be given national varieties of English. --
PBS (
talk)
11:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Domain | # of Beaver* results *Castor (French for beaver) used for Quebec |
---|---|
gc.ca Canadian federal government |
222,000 |
gov.nl.ca Newfoundland & Labrador provincial government |
602 |
gov.ns.ca Nova Scotia provincial government |
14,200 |
gov.pe.ca Prince Edward Island provincial government |
514 |
gov.nl.ca Newfoundland & Labrador provincial government |
483 |
gouv.qc.ca* Quebec provincial government |
3,770 |
gov.on.ca Ontario provincial government |
14,500 |
gov.mb.ca Manitoba provincial government |
1,560 |
gov.sk.ca Newfoundland & Labrador provincial government |
2,930 |
gov.ab.ca Alberta provincial government |
8,850 |
gov.bc.ca British Columbia provincial government |
16,100 |
TOTAL | 285,509 |
As others have pointed out on this talk page, "Canadian beaver" can refer to a subspecies; the article even "Canadian beaver" to mean the subspecies. Also, whether it is referred to as "American", Canadian", or other depends in part on the context in which the term is used: is it a study of beavers in North vs South America? Or in Eurasia vs North America? Or in boreal Europe vs boreal Canada? See? "American beaver" (etc) often is an adjectival construct, not a common name. So... I have revised the article lead to put what seems to be the most information first, and to give all the English-language common names in a neutral fashion. -- Una Smith ( talk) 05:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was no consensus. The most common name is "beaver", and the Latin "scientific" name is Castor canadensis. No consensus has been achieved for the latter. Outside wikipedia disambiguation is rarely needed, and when it is and the scientific name is not used, the qualifying elements "American" "Canadian" and "North American" appear to be ad hoc. The continual re-requesting of this move and the comments made make it reasonably transparent that there is no consensus either for the current name and that hostility to the current name on wikipedia is fairly well rooted in patriotic feelings. These feelings are the main reason for disrupting consensus on the current name, "American" referring to the country as well as to the continent. I'm therefore moving the article to " North American Beaver" to remove this ambiguity and allay this, in the expectation that the name North American Beaver (or beaver) will generate fuller consensus and more stability than either "American Beaver" or Castor canadensis. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk) 06:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
American Beaver →
Castor canadensis — Since the talk page discussion has noted that this is an option, I have decided to nominate this title pro forma. —
harej (
talk) (
cool!)
23:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The lead now is:
The American beaver is the only species of beaver in the Americas, native to North America and introduced to South America. Having the Linnaean name Castor canadensis and known in Canada and the United States by the common name beaver, the species' other common names Canadian beaver (which also refers to the subspecies Castor canadensis canadensis) and North American beaver further serve to distinguish it from the other extant species of beaver, the Eurasian beaver (Castor fiber).
What a mess. For one thing, Castor canadensis is not a "Linnaean name". Also, the page name is "North American Beaver" but the "lead" name arbitrarily is "American Beaver". Finally, the second sentence is almost unparseable. I propose changing it to this:
The North American beaver (Castor canadensis) is the only species of beaver in the Americas, native to North America and introduced to South America. It is known as beaver in the United States and Canada. Other vernacular names (American beaver, [1] Canadian beaver, and North American beaver) serve to distinguish it from the other extant species, Castor fiber, native to Eurasia. (Canadian beaver also refers to the subspecies Castor canadensis canadensis.)
Possibly Canadian beaver should be a disambiguation page; then the awkward parenthetical sentence can be deleted from the lead. What do you think? -- Una Smith ( talk) 17:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
The North American beaver ( species Castor canadensis) is the only beaver in the Americas, native to North America and introduced to South America. In the United States and Canada it is known as beaver; other vernacular names, including American beaver, [2] Canadian beaver, and North American beaver, serve to distinguish it from the other extant species, Castor fiber, native to Eurasia. "Canadian beaver" also refers to the subspecies Castor canadensis canadensis.
The North American beaver ( species Castor canadensis) is the only beaver in the Americas, native to North America and introduced to South America. In the United States and Canada its vernacular names are, respectively, American beaver [3] and Canadian beaver. (The term "Canadian beaver" also refers to the subspecies Castor canadensis canadensis.) There is one other extant species of beaver, Castor fiber, native to Eurasia.
The article doesn't say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.37.174 ( talk) 00:39, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Article says: "When building in a pond, the beavers first make a pile of sticks and then eat out one or more underwater entrances and two platforms above the water surface inside the pile.". Do they actually eat the sticks or just chew a hole (i.e. does the statement contain a grammatical error)? -- twifosp ( talk) 00:00, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
extirpation roughly means 'to the brink of regional or total extinction as a result of being hunted due to undesirability'. these animals were not extirpated. they were just hunted to the point of regional extinction as a result of their desirable fur. there aren't many instances where extirpation would be the right word. maybe in a large city or conserved forest... but not when they were killed BECAUSE of their desirability. i find there is too much (mis)use of this specific word in this article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.93.246.16 ( talk) 19:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't know where to ADD a new edit request, but there are several locations that the term "breech" is used where "breach" is meant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.169.158.194 ( talk) 20:59, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
There has been some recent back and forth about the spelling of "behaviour". Per WP:ENGVAR, there is a method to decide this. Since beavers occur in both Canada and the United States, "strong national ties to a topic" isn't useful. The second revision of the article, by the article creator, introduced the word "behaviour", so "retaining the existing variety" seems to be the best guide.-- Curtis Clark ( talk) 13:37, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I think the statement that appears in the section "Urban Beavers" that states "In Birmingham, Alabama in 2008, approximately 12,000 [81] endangered watercress darters were killed when workers from the city removed a beaver dam at Roebuck Springs, emptying one of only four ponds where the colourful fish is found. The beaver pond was emptied because it often flooded a nearby tennis court. The Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources is suing the City of Birmingham for destroying an endangered species and their wetland habitat" should be removed. If not the paragraph, then most certainly the picture. Although well sourced, it does not seem to be a relevant enough event to be mentioned in this article. If it does it should be in a different section, however I think it needs to be removed entirely. Any thoughts? Mikist4 ( talk) 05:34, 16 May 2011 (UTC)Mikist4
This is a well researched article but seems to have a bias toward recent studies out west, and a lot of what I've discovered while watching beavers in northern New York for 17 years is missing. That said, a 1988 study of beavers in Alberta is one that describes what I frequently see: dams breeched by otters in the winter and not repaired by beavers until after the spring run-off if then. Perhaps, rather than always spreading the good news about beavers, the article could take a more common sense approach. Beavers are made to appear so remarkably beneficial in this article, I am tempted to point out that beavers are only human. Bob Arnebeck, New York — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnebeck ( talk • contribs) 03:15, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Materialscientist ( talk) 09:10, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
North American Beaver →
North American beaver – Change to sentence case mammal species common name as specified in
WP:MOS. Most non-rodent, non-bat mammal species have been changed, and at some point the rodents will have to be tackled as well.
WolfmanSF (
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03:37, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, right now the taxobox lists C. c. pacificus Rhoads 1892 and C. c. leucodontus Gray, 1869 as two distinct subspecies. However, Jenkins & Busher 1979 (ref in article) writes that they're synonyms, as does Hall 1981 [cited in [16]]. Is there a source that claims they *aren't* synonyms? Umimmak ( talk) 00:06, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
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Is the range of the North American beaver shown in the map and article text accurate? I can only find sources for Castor canadiensis in part of Finland, rather than the wide area shown. Rauisuchian ( talk) 03:12, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
This article mentions that beavers piled mud and sticks on a tape recording of running water sounds on dry land. I have the cited article (Richard 1983) open in front of me. It makes no mention of this experiment. Is there a real experiment than someone can cite? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmccabe ( talk • contribs) 22:10, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
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The article looks to be quite thoroughly sourced. If there are unsupported statements, mark them with citation needed templates. But as a whole I think the citations for verification flag can be removed. Rauisuchian ( talk) 23:23, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
In the diet section, the article currently states about water lilies: "The rhizomes are stored in the food cache and remain actively growing." The linked reference says: "Its edible rhizomes remain succulent after cutting and are often stored in a food cache for winter use." I did not read the whole referenced article, but I don't see evidence supporting this claim of continued growth in the cache. Should this sentence be changed/removed, or am I missing something? — Epastore ( talk) 17:30, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
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How did this get to be called "American Beaver" when its scientific name is "Canadian beaver"? :) Adam Bishop 19:34, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Man, we Canadian should be up in arms over the Americans stealing all of our taxonomic terms. --
70.77.45.29 (
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13:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
In Yahoo's database, the Canadian beaver has 197,000 pages; American, 98,700; North American, 24,400; New World, 630.
In Google's database, the Canadian beaver has 69,500 pages; American, 56,400; North American, 8,300; New World, 1,410.
--
J.K.Herms (
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09:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
This photo is okay, but it doesn't give us a full view of the animal. It would be nice to have a pic that shows the animal's distinctive tail. the photo on the article has no copyright tag. LadyofHats 21:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
well i find this to be a big inslut ok MR. wise guy how about the canadian egle lol this is not right either so i dont see how funny it is to u to hear that CANADIAN EGLE!!!!!!!!!! change IT
The name North American Beaver is perfectly ok, but it has been shortened to "American Beaver" (As in the USA's beaver). Canada is the country where most of them live, and the Canadian Beaver is an icon of the country. You will never see a cartoon beaver draped in the stars and stripes, but always in the red and white Canadian flag.
The title of this article is a slap across the face of all Canadians. Unfortunately, it is nearly impossible to change it without disruption in Wikipedia.
68.145.210.24 18:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Aren't American Beaver also native to Finland?
Regarding whether the common name of this species is Canadian, American or North American Beaver, [2] implies one species Castor canadensis is called both Canadian and North American, but there are 24 subspecies. [3] has more detailed info and shows the regional distribution across the continent of castor c. Most scientific papers on google seem to imply its North American Beaver and that would be more accurate, sorry as I am to deprive Canada of a national symbol. But I'm not certain, I guess this is why we use scientific rather than common names. Even among flowers and trees the same species can have several common names that are perfectly valid. The Mountain Beaver for instance is neither beaver nor lives in mountains Mhicaoidh 03:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Since the whole article refers to it as the North American Beaver, we should move it to that namespace, no? Any objections? -
TheMightyQuill
17:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. -- Stemonitis 16:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to point this out in case anyone is wondering. An anon IP added this external link, and it was properly (I think) removed:
It contains useful info not found here, but WP:EL says to avoid linking to "Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article." - Agyle 17:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move to American Beaver. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk) 18:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Canadian Beaver → American Beaver — 1) Page move was previously discussed and rejected; 2) Page was [ then moved to a different name than discussed] without visible discussion or consensus (dispite the edit summary in the move); 3) Both sources used list species as "American beaver" [ [7]] [ [8]]. — Old Hoss ( talk) 19:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
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The article says the American beaver is smaller than the European beaver, but American's average size is 20 kg while the European average is 18 kg, and the American ones can weigh "up to 45 kg" but the largest European wieghed 31.7 kg. I think there's a mistake somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.168.191.176 ( talk) 13:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
The source on the both beaver's size is sound. Please check if those specifically on the American breed here hold water. Mariomassone ( talk) 18:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was no consensus to move — harej ( talk) ( cool!) 23:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
American Beaver →
Canadian Beaver — The proper scientific name of this animal is 'Castor canadensis', quite literally "Canadian Beaver". A Google search for "Canadian Beaver" yields 68,200 results while "American Beaver" yields only 58,500 or 16.6% less - a significant difference. The Beaver is also a profoundly important national symbol in Canada, where it is just any other animal in the United States, limited primarily to its north. If there is no consensus once again for this move, an alternative name might be "Beaver (Castor canadensis)" which would give you the common name used throughout its natural habitat with the scientific name for disambiguation; however, I believe there is ample reason to make it "Canadian Beaver". -
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13:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
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Name | Google Web | Google Scholar | Google Books |
---|---|---|---|
American Beaver ("american beaver" -"north american beaver") |
47900 | 788 | 810 |
North American Beaver | 7190 | 441 | 611 |
Canadian Beaver | 59700 | 475 | 716 |
Castor canadensis | 57000 | 5890 | 945 |
Hesperian 02:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
There's something not right with the fact that when one does a search for "Canadian Beaver" they get redirected to "American Beaver". Out of spite I'm tempted to redirect "American Goose" to "
Canada Goose" :P I'd like to support this but feel I must recuse myself because of a strong pro-Canadian bias. To be completely neutral perhaps renaming it to "North American Beaver" would be a better option. --
œ
™
03:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
"the importance of this animal to Canadians (which is irrelevant), and the distribution of this animal (which is irrelevant)." It is not quite that simple, if it where then the Irish would not object so strongly to the use of the term British Isles and also the long long running dispute over the use of
Ireland and the
Republic of Ireland. We have to take into consideration
Wikipedia:Naming conventions#National varieties of English which should also be considered as a counter weight to
Walter Siegmund opposition "per the guidance of
Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Controversial names"? Just counting hits from reliable sources would probably end up with
American football at
Football. Because the majority of English language sources originate in the USA, to reflect Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, consideration has to be given national varieties of English. --
PBS (
talk)
11:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Domain | # of Beaver* results *Castor (French for beaver) used for Quebec |
---|---|
gc.ca Canadian federal government |
222,000 |
gov.nl.ca Newfoundland & Labrador provincial government |
602 |
gov.ns.ca Nova Scotia provincial government |
14,200 |
gov.pe.ca Prince Edward Island provincial government |
514 |
gov.nl.ca Newfoundland & Labrador provincial government |
483 |
gouv.qc.ca* Quebec provincial government |
3,770 |
gov.on.ca Ontario provincial government |
14,500 |
gov.mb.ca Manitoba provincial government |
1,560 |
gov.sk.ca Newfoundland & Labrador provincial government |
2,930 |
gov.ab.ca Alberta provincial government |
8,850 |
gov.bc.ca British Columbia provincial government |
16,100 |
TOTAL | 285,509 |
As others have pointed out on this talk page, "Canadian beaver" can refer to a subspecies; the article even "Canadian beaver" to mean the subspecies. Also, whether it is referred to as "American", Canadian", or other depends in part on the context in which the term is used: is it a study of beavers in North vs South America? Or in Eurasia vs North America? Or in boreal Europe vs boreal Canada? See? "American beaver" (etc) often is an adjectival construct, not a common name. So... I have revised the article lead to put what seems to be the most information first, and to give all the English-language common names in a neutral fashion. -- Una Smith ( talk) 05:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was no consensus. The most common name is "beaver", and the Latin "scientific" name is Castor canadensis. No consensus has been achieved for the latter. Outside wikipedia disambiguation is rarely needed, and when it is and the scientific name is not used, the qualifying elements "American" "Canadian" and "North American" appear to be ad hoc. The continual re-requesting of this move and the comments made make it reasonably transparent that there is no consensus either for the current name and that hostility to the current name on wikipedia is fairly well rooted in patriotic feelings. These feelings are the main reason for disrupting consensus on the current name, "American" referring to the country as well as to the continent. I'm therefore moving the article to " North American Beaver" to remove this ambiguity and allay this, in the expectation that the name North American Beaver (or beaver) will generate fuller consensus and more stability than either "American Beaver" or Castor canadensis. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk) 06:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
American Beaver →
Castor canadensis — Since the talk page discussion has noted that this is an option, I have decided to nominate this title pro forma. —
harej (
talk) (
cool!)
23:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The lead now is:
The American beaver is the only species of beaver in the Americas, native to North America and introduced to South America. Having the Linnaean name Castor canadensis and known in Canada and the United States by the common name beaver, the species' other common names Canadian beaver (which also refers to the subspecies Castor canadensis canadensis) and North American beaver further serve to distinguish it from the other extant species of beaver, the Eurasian beaver (Castor fiber).
What a mess. For one thing, Castor canadensis is not a "Linnaean name". Also, the page name is "North American Beaver" but the "lead" name arbitrarily is "American Beaver". Finally, the second sentence is almost unparseable. I propose changing it to this:
The North American beaver (Castor canadensis) is the only species of beaver in the Americas, native to North America and introduced to South America. It is known as beaver in the United States and Canada. Other vernacular names (American beaver, [1] Canadian beaver, and North American beaver) serve to distinguish it from the other extant species, Castor fiber, native to Eurasia. (Canadian beaver also refers to the subspecies Castor canadensis canadensis.)
Possibly Canadian beaver should be a disambiguation page; then the awkward parenthetical sentence can be deleted from the lead. What do you think? -- Una Smith ( talk) 17:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
The North American beaver ( species Castor canadensis) is the only beaver in the Americas, native to North America and introduced to South America. In the United States and Canada it is known as beaver; other vernacular names, including American beaver, [2] Canadian beaver, and North American beaver, serve to distinguish it from the other extant species, Castor fiber, native to Eurasia. "Canadian beaver" also refers to the subspecies Castor canadensis canadensis.
The North American beaver ( species Castor canadensis) is the only beaver in the Americas, native to North America and introduced to South America. In the United States and Canada its vernacular names are, respectively, American beaver [3] and Canadian beaver. (The term "Canadian beaver" also refers to the subspecies Castor canadensis canadensis.) There is one other extant species of beaver, Castor fiber, native to Eurasia.
The article doesn't say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.37.174 ( talk) 00:39, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Article says: "When building in a pond, the beavers first make a pile of sticks and then eat out one or more underwater entrances and two platforms above the water surface inside the pile.". Do they actually eat the sticks or just chew a hole (i.e. does the statement contain a grammatical error)? -- twifosp ( talk) 00:00, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
extirpation roughly means 'to the brink of regional or total extinction as a result of being hunted due to undesirability'. these animals were not extirpated. they were just hunted to the point of regional extinction as a result of their desirable fur. there aren't many instances where extirpation would be the right word. maybe in a large city or conserved forest... but not when they were killed BECAUSE of their desirability. i find there is too much (mis)use of this specific word in this article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.93.246.16 ( talk) 19:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't know where to ADD a new edit request, but there are several locations that the term "breech" is used where "breach" is meant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.169.158.194 ( talk) 20:59, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
There has been some recent back and forth about the spelling of "behaviour". Per WP:ENGVAR, there is a method to decide this. Since beavers occur in both Canada and the United States, "strong national ties to a topic" isn't useful. The second revision of the article, by the article creator, introduced the word "behaviour", so "retaining the existing variety" seems to be the best guide.-- Curtis Clark ( talk) 13:37, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I think the statement that appears in the section "Urban Beavers" that states "In Birmingham, Alabama in 2008, approximately 12,000 [81] endangered watercress darters were killed when workers from the city removed a beaver dam at Roebuck Springs, emptying one of only four ponds where the colourful fish is found. The beaver pond was emptied because it often flooded a nearby tennis court. The Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources is suing the City of Birmingham for destroying an endangered species and their wetland habitat" should be removed. If not the paragraph, then most certainly the picture. Although well sourced, it does not seem to be a relevant enough event to be mentioned in this article. If it does it should be in a different section, however I think it needs to be removed entirely. Any thoughts? Mikist4 ( talk) 05:34, 16 May 2011 (UTC)Mikist4
This is a well researched article but seems to have a bias toward recent studies out west, and a lot of what I've discovered while watching beavers in northern New York for 17 years is missing. That said, a 1988 study of beavers in Alberta is one that describes what I frequently see: dams breeched by otters in the winter and not repaired by beavers until after the spring run-off if then. Perhaps, rather than always spreading the good news about beavers, the article could take a more common sense approach. Beavers are made to appear so remarkably beneficial in this article, I am tempted to point out that beavers are only human. Bob Arnebeck, New York — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnebeck ( talk • contribs) 03:15, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Materialscientist ( talk) 09:10, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
North American Beaver →
North American beaver – Change to sentence case mammal species common name as specified in
WP:MOS. Most non-rodent, non-bat mammal species have been changed, and at some point the rodents will have to be tackled as well.
WolfmanSF (
talk)
03:37, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, right now the taxobox lists C. c. pacificus Rhoads 1892 and C. c. leucodontus Gray, 1869 as two distinct subspecies. However, Jenkins & Busher 1979 (ref in article) writes that they're synonyms, as does Hall 1981 [cited in [16]]. Is there a source that claims they *aren't* synonyms? Umimmak ( talk) 00:06, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
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Is the range of the North American beaver shown in the map and article text accurate? I can only find sources for Castor canadiensis in part of Finland, rather than the wide area shown. Rauisuchian ( talk) 03:12, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
This article mentions that beavers piled mud and sticks on a tape recording of running water sounds on dry land. I have the cited article (Richard 1983) open in front of me. It makes no mention of this experiment. Is there a real experiment than someone can cite? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmccabe ( talk • contribs) 22:10, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect North Ameican Beaver. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Regards, SONIC 678 17:15, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
The article looks to be quite thoroughly sourced. If there are unsupported statements, mark them with citation needed templates. But as a whole I think the citations for verification flag can be removed. Rauisuchian ( talk) 23:23, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
In the diet section, the article currently states about water lilies: "The rhizomes are stored in the food cache and remain actively growing." The linked reference says: "Its edible rhizomes remain succulent after cutting and are often stored in a food cache for winter use." I did not read the whole referenced article, but I don't see evidence supporting this claim of continued growth in the cache. Should this sentence be changed/removed, or am I missing something? — Epastore ( talk) 17:30, 28 April 2023 (UTC)