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Somebody should make a page for Mariners Apartment Complex. Mallory Steen ( talk) 23:30, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
wondering if we can create a draft of the album article yet. currently redirecting to lana del rey. Melodies1917 ( talk) 16:32, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
@ Anthony Appleyard: Hey Anthony, I just tagged you but at a second glance I'm not sure what's happened, but what was at Draft:Norman Fucking Rockwell looks exactly like what is here now. I believe DRnfr copied most of what was at the draft (that they contributed to) into here. Perhaps you can assess whether it needs to be merged, but this mainspace article also has a history predating the draft's January 2019 creation. Ss 112 19:42, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
This article contains a vulgar word in the title referring to sexual intercourse. It should be removed or there should be warning for explicit content when someone visits it. 2A0A:A543:DD7:0:91D:D0B2:BC83:EB38 ( talk) 00:24, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Ss112 and Anthony Appleyard: either of you think so? the album isnt even out yet and there's only a few dates. draftify it or merge/redirect back here? Melodies1917 ( talk) 20:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
So why is a move to Norman Fucking Rockwell! being resisted? There's no explanation given. It seems to be the actual name that the artist has given to the album. Uncle G ( talk) 07:26, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Totally agree, the title of the album includes an exclamation mark, no different than a title that includes a question mark... Mikevanoost ( talk) 17:27, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
For anyone trying to add the release date to the infobox, please see Template talk:Infobox album#"Released" parameter and future dates about whether the parameter that says "Released" can be used for future dates. —DIYeditor ( talk) 23:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Somebody please make this article about this great album a Good Article! Reylanno / @ 18:57, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Ilovetati91:@ Gentlecollapse6: I have some doubts about the genres in the infobox
I guess we agree that folk-rock must remain in the infobox and piano ballad shouldn't be added again. I think that trip-hop should be removed too. @ Ilovetati91:, removing desert-rock from the infobox, said that "desert rock is not mentioned in the majority of sources"; trip-hop and desert rock are both sourced with an article of The Independent which says "The album is sultry and soporific, sitting somewhere between the minimalist trip-hop of Del Rey’s early days, and the scuzzy desert rock she has toyed with over the years" [2]. This sentence doesn't confirm trip-hop more than desert rock, it seems an example of partial attributions that we can find in Genre warrior project page WP:EXPLICITGENRES. Blueberry72 ( talk) 18:40, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Since multiple genres are sourced, the infobox should note those most commonly supported by reliable sources (without having a laundry list of genres). Soft rock and folk rock are only cited by one source. A psychedelic sound (psych pop and psych rock) is mentioned by several sources, as is pop. Piano ballad is not a genre; a piano ballad can be a ballad of any musical genre (soul, r&b, soft rock, country, pop, folk) incorporating piano. Lapadite ( talk)
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So this is an issue I’ve had with a lot of articles, but I question if some of the “singles” from this album would be better categorized as “promotional singles”? In the past an editor told me that the difference between the two was that singles were released to the radio, but most of the singles from this album were not. Would someone like to clear this up for me? Gagaluv1 ( talk) 14:31, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
I just bought a copy of the album and it's simply titled "NFR!" on the cover, spine, and on the CD itself. I know this article shows the uncensored title for the cover art, but that's not the version I'm seeing in the stores. Any info on this? 68.147.116.14 ( talk) 18:13, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved ( non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 23:03, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Norman Fucking Rockwell → Norman Fucking Rockwell! – Official title of the album ends with an exclamation point per all major retailers ( Apple, Spotify, Amazon, Del Rey's website) and the exclamation is honored in a number of third party sources including Pitchfork, NME, The Guardian, and Consequence of Sound. Chase ( talk | contributions) 19:26, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Article titles follow standard English text formatting in the case of trademarks, unless the trademarked spelling is demonstrably the most common usage in sources independent of the owner of the trademark.. No-one has attempted to demonstrate that the spelling with the ! is more common in secondary sources. I reviewed 11 publications (arbitrarily chosen from the article's references, and some reviews listed at Metacritic). 4 consistently used the !: Consequence of Sound, Pitchfork, NME, The Guardian. 5 didn't use ! at all: Paste, Rolling Stone, Billboard, Slant, Onion AV Club. The other two, Entertainment Weekly and PopMatters, were inconsistent, but favoured no-!. EW used the ! in the headline, but dropped it in the running text. PopMatters used the ! in a sidebar with album metadata, but were !-less in the running text. So I don't see WP:TITLETM being satisfied. Colin M ( talk) 15:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
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@ Ilovetati91: Pitchfork called it a pop classic and No Ripcord called it a pop record. That could not be more explicit. They did not say popular music. Nobody would call an album a "popular music record". Billiekhalidfan ( talk) 06:56, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Note: Billiekhalidfan has been indefinitely blocked as a sock. 2402:1980:8242:D0F1:E707:372A:E68C:F846 ( talk) 09:50, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |
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Somebody should make a page for Mariners Apartment Complex. Mallory Steen ( talk) 23:30, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
wondering if we can create a draft of the album article yet. currently redirecting to lana del rey. Melodies1917 ( talk) 16:32, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
@ Anthony Appleyard: Hey Anthony, I just tagged you but at a second glance I'm not sure what's happened, but what was at Draft:Norman Fucking Rockwell looks exactly like what is here now. I believe DRnfr copied most of what was at the draft (that they contributed to) into here. Perhaps you can assess whether it needs to be merged, but this mainspace article also has a history predating the draft's January 2019 creation. Ss 112 19:42, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
This article contains a vulgar word in the title referring to sexual intercourse. It should be removed or there should be warning for explicit content when someone visits it. 2A0A:A543:DD7:0:91D:D0B2:BC83:EB38 ( talk) 00:24, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Ss112 and Anthony Appleyard: either of you think so? the album isnt even out yet and there's only a few dates. draftify it or merge/redirect back here? Melodies1917 ( talk) 20:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
So why is a move to Norman Fucking Rockwell! being resisted? There's no explanation given. It seems to be the actual name that the artist has given to the album. Uncle G ( talk) 07:26, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Totally agree, the title of the album includes an exclamation mark, no different than a title that includes a question mark... Mikevanoost ( talk) 17:27, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
For anyone trying to add the release date to the infobox, please see Template talk:Infobox album#"Released" parameter and future dates about whether the parameter that says "Released" can be used for future dates. —DIYeditor ( talk) 23:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Somebody please make this article about this great album a Good Article! Reylanno / @ 18:57, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Ilovetati91:@ Gentlecollapse6: I have some doubts about the genres in the infobox
I guess we agree that folk-rock must remain in the infobox and piano ballad shouldn't be added again. I think that trip-hop should be removed too. @ Ilovetati91:, removing desert-rock from the infobox, said that "desert rock is not mentioned in the majority of sources"; trip-hop and desert rock are both sourced with an article of The Independent which says "The album is sultry and soporific, sitting somewhere between the minimalist trip-hop of Del Rey’s early days, and the scuzzy desert rock she has toyed with over the years" [2]. This sentence doesn't confirm trip-hop more than desert rock, it seems an example of partial attributions that we can find in Genre warrior project page WP:EXPLICITGENRES. Blueberry72 ( talk) 18:40, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Since multiple genres are sourced, the infobox should note those most commonly supported by reliable sources (without having a laundry list of genres). Soft rock and folk rock are only cited by one source. A psychedelic sound (psych pop and psych rock) is mentioned by several sources, as is pop. Piano ballad is not a genre; a piano ballad can be a ballad of any musical genre (soul, r&b, soft rock, country, pop, folk) incorporating piano. Lapadite ( talk)
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So this is an issue I’ve had with a lot of articles, but I question if some of the “singles” from this album would be better categorized as “promotional singles”? In the past an editor told me that the difference between the two was that singles were released to the radio, but most of the singles from this album were not. Would someone like to clear this up for me? Gagaluv1 ( talk) 14:31, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
I just bought a copy of the album and it's simply titled "NFR!" on the cover, spine, and on the CD itself. I know this article shows the uncensored title for the cover art, but that's not the version I'm seeing in the stores. Any info on this? 68.147.116.14 ( talk) 18:13, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved ( non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 23:03, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Norman Fucking Rockwell → Norman Fucking Rockwell! – Official title of the album ends with an exclamation point per all major retailers ( Apple, Spotify, Amazon, Del Rey's website) and the exclamation is honored in a number of third party sources including Pitchfork, NME, The Guardian, and Consequence of Sound. Chase ( talk | contributions) 19:26, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Article titles follow standard English text formatting in the case of trademarks, unless the trademarked spelling is demonstrably the most common usage in sources independent of the owner of the trademark.. No-one has attempted to demonstrate that the spelling with the ! is more common in secondary sources. I reviewed 11 publications (arbitrarily chosen from the article's references, and some reviews listed at Metacritic). 4 consistently used the !: Consequence of Sound, Pitchfork, NME, The Guardian. 5 didn't use ! at all: Paste, Rolling Stone, Billboard, Slant, Onion AV Club. The other two, Entertainment Weekly and PopMatters, were inconsistent, but favoured no-!. EW used the ! in the headline, but dropped it in the running text. PopMatters used the ! in a sidebar with album metadata, but were !-less in the running text. So I don't see WP:TITLETM being satisfied. Colin M ( talk) 15:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Closing discussion per WP:EVADE. |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
@ Ilovetati91: Pitchfork called it a pop classic and No Ripcord called it a pop record. That could not be more explicit. They did not say popular music. Nobody would call an album a "popular music record". Billiekhalidfan ( talk) 06:56, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Note: Billiekhalidfan has been indefinitely blocked as a sock. 2402:1980:8242:D0F1:E707:372A:E68C:F846 ( talk) 09:50, 14 November 2019 (UTC) |