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I added Paula Cracker as a former virtual member (as she was) but none of her contributions to the band actually appeared in any albums. So, because of this, should I remove her as a member of the band? VTnav ( talk) 00:42, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
There is no information about the fictional bassist character in the Gorillaz article, though we have a Wikipedia:Permastub standalone article: Murdoc Niccals. If the character is notable enough to have a standalone artcile then it is notable enough to have information about the character in the article, so that information from the standalone article should be placed into the main article. If that happens then we have duplicate information in two places, which per WP:OVERLAP should be in one place. In a deletion discussion in 2010, it was proposed that the articles on the fictional band members be merged. I haven't looked at the other band members, but on reading this one (and its prolonged history of vandalism), it appears to me to be a prime candidate for merging. I would have normally have been bold and merged it, but as the outcome of the AfD was to keep the articles, I thought it best to see what the consensus is; or at least raise the issue to see if there are any objections. SilkTork ( talk) 18:43, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be included in the Gorillaz article?
From the Wikipedia article on Tina Weymouth ( /info/en/?search=Tina_Weymouth)
"and has contributed backing vocals and percussion for the alternative rock virtual band Gorillaz; the backing vocals were provided for the character Noodle." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.41.86.35 ( talk) 20:12, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Please don't add Ace into band member lists or the article proper until reliable secondary sources cover the character's relationship with Gorillaz. As of this comment, the band has issued no statement regarding a shift in the virtual band's lineup, nor has "Ace's" relationship with the band been substantiated by any reliable sources. Speculating over instagram/twitter promotional art constitutes
crystal balling, which is not accepted on Wikipedia.
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I've noticed a tad bit of edit warring today, maybe we should firmly cement whether "English band" or "British band" is more correct? I personally lean toward "English" since that's established to mean "bands from the country of England" which is the sense intended here, while "British band" typically refers to a specific musical movement originating in the UK in the 60s and 70s and now mostly produced in the indie scene. Note where English bands and British bands each redirect to. Not to mention, this article has used "English band" for quite some time already and I'm not sure what would necessitate changing it. ♥ Acorimori ♦ 19:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
The editor Sellsomepapers has carried out a number of alterations to articles on this theme based on opinion only, always without sources and using repeated reverts to get its way. There is no justification presented here for the alteration to the article. It should just be moved back to "British".-- Tigranis ( talk) 09:59, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
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There seems to be a mention of a 'timeline' in the 2nd archived talk, but I couldn't find the topic of a 'visual' timeline in the rest of the archived talks. And I’m not sure if this goes against any protocol or sort of rule used in music articles, but could/should we add a timeline for the virtual members? Although not real per se, they do represent the official history of the band. And even though some dates are a bit murky or debatable, since almost every other well-known band (which has seen line-up changes) seems to have a membership timeline, perhaps an attempt could be made to present a coherent chronology. DJGomes ( talk) 07:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
@ DJGomes I would argue the virtual member timeline is unnecessary. It adds nothing helpful or relevant to the article and just serves to further clutter what is already a very cluttered article. We need to be careful that the virtual stuff doesn't become so all consuming that it makes the article incoherent or cluttered with extraneous information that would only be relevant to hardcore fans (the article has been like this in past). I think as an encyclopedia we should take the approach of carefully grounding the virtual stuff in fantasy terms and not focus too much on them at the expensive of the "real" aspects of the project. Basil the Bat Lord ( talk) 01:08, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
This article has been a mess for years and most parts of it need a complete re-write to bring it up to standard. Just at a glance these are the two main issues I currently see with the article.
Wanted to post this here as a starting point of discussion. Over the coming days/weeks I'd like to address some of these issues. Basil the Bat Lord ( talk) 06:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
There is a long list of associated acts and I suspect many break the rule - do not include groups with only one member in common - /info/en/?search=Template:Infobox_musical_artist#associated_acts -- Beardo ( talk) 00:56, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Early in the "Creation" subsection of the "History" section of this article, it says that Damon Albarn and Jamie Hewlett "shared a flat on Westbourne Grove." And there is an article from Q cited as a source for this claim. However upon reading this article, I saw that the words "Westbourne Grove" appear nowhere in the article. The word "Grove" does but it has nothing to do with where Damon & Jamie lived together in the 1990s. It is commonly accepted that Jamie & Damon lived together in a flat in TRELLICK TOWER in London when they conceived of Gorillaz. Trellick Tower is not, however, on Westbourne Grove.
Trellick Tower is exactly 1 mile (aka 1.6 kilometers) away from Westbourne Grove according to Google Maps. Trellick Tower is on Golborne Road and Elkstone Road. So maybe someone got the street names mixed up? Cuz I can't find anything about them living on Westbourne Grove besides this Wikipedia article, whose cited source for that claim does not say anything about them living together there. Idk, this should probably be cleared up because I've seen people getting into heated arguments over where they lived when creating Gorillaz because most people believe it was Trellick Tower but then others say that's wrong because this article says its a flat on Westbourne Grove. So we really need to get on that and prevent this article from being a source of argumentation on the internet and irl. AnarchoGonzo ( talk) 03:33, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
Russel's page was recently merged into this article due to it primarily having mostly trivial information. I’m debating whether or not the rest of the character pages should be merged into here. Noodle's page was previously nominated for merging into this page, but that was closed. Davidng913 ( talk) 03:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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I added Paula Cracker as a former virtual member (as she was) but none of her contributions to the band actually appeared in any albums. So, because of this, should I remove her as a member of the band? VTnav ( talk) 00:42, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
There is no information about the fictional bassist character in the Gorillaz article, though we have a Wikipedia:Permastub standalone article: Murdoc Niccals. If the character is notable enough to have a standalone artcile then it is notable enough to have information about the character in the article, so that information from the standalone article should be placed into the main article. If that happens then we have duplicate information in two places, which per WP:OVERLAP should be in one place. In a deletion discussion in 2010, it was proposed that the articles on the fictional band members be merged. I haven't looked at the other band members, but on reading this one (and its prolonged history of vandalism), it appears to me to be a prime candidate for merging. I would have normally have been bold and merged it, but as the outcome of the AfD was to keep the articles, I thought it best to see what the consensus is; or at least raise the issue to see if there are any objections. SilkTork ( talk) 18:43, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be included in the Gorillaz article?
From the Wikipedia article on Tina Weymouth ( /info/en/?search=Tina_Weymouth)
"and has contributed backing vocals and percussion for the alternative rock virtual band Gorillaz; the backing vocals were provided for the character Noodle." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.41.86.35 ( talk) 20:12, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Please don't add Ace into band member lists or the article proper until reliable secondary sources cover the character's relationship with Gorillaz. As of this comment, the band has issued no statement regarding a shift in the virtual band's lineup, nor has "Ace's" relationship with the band been substantiated by any reliable sources. Speculating over instagram/twitter promotional art constitutes
crystal balling, which is not accepted on Wikipedia.
FlotillaFlotsam (
talk)
12:00, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
I've noticed a tad bit of edit warring today, maybe we should firmly cement whether "English band" or "British band" is more correct? I personally lean toward "English" since that's established to mean "bands from the country of England" which is the sense intended here, while "British band" typically refers to a specific musical movement originating in the UK in the 60s and 70s and now mostly produced in the indie scene. Note where English bands and British bands each redirect to. Not to mention, this article has used "English band" for quite some time already and I'm not sure what would necessitate changing it. ♥ Acorimori ♦ 19:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
The editor Sellsomepapers has carried out a number of alterations to articles on this theme based on opinion only, always without sources and using repeated reverts to get its way. There is no justification presented here for the alteration to the article. It should just be moved back to "British".-- Tigranis ( talk) 09:59, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
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There seems to be a mention of a 'timeline' in the 2nd archived talk, but I couldn't find the topic of a 'visual' timeline in the rest of the archived talks. And I’m not sure if this goes against any protocol or sort of rule used in music articles, but could/should we add a timeline for the virtual members? Although not real per se, they do represent the official history of the band. And even though some dates are a bit murky or debatable, since almost every other well-known band (which has seen line-up changes) seems to have a membership timeline, perhaps an attempt could be made to present a coherent chronology. DJGomes ( talk) 07:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
@ DJGomes I would argue the virtual member timeline is unnecessary. It adds nothing helpful or relevant to the article and just serves to further clutter what is already a very cluttered article. We need to be careful that the virtual stuff doesn't become so all consuming that it makes the article incoherent or cluttered with extraneous information that would only be relevant to hardcore fans (the article has been like this in past). I think as an encyclopedia we should take the approach of carefully grounding the virtual stuff in fantasy terms and not focus too much on them at the expensive of the "real" aspects of the project. Basil the Bat Lord ( talk) 01:08, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
This article has been a mess for years and most parts of it need a complete re-write to bring it up to standard. Just at a glance these are the two main issues I currently see with the article.
Wanted to post this here as a starting point of discussion. Over the coming days/weeks I'd like to address some of these issues. Basil the Bat Lord ( talk) 06:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
There is a long list of associated acts and I suspect many break the rule - do not include groups with only one member in common - /info/en/?search=Template:Infobox_musical_artist#associated_acts -- Beardo ( talk) 00:56, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Early in the "Creation" subsection of the "History" section of this article, it says that Damon Albarn and Jamie Hewlett "shared a flat on Westbourne Grove." And there is an article from Q cited as a source for this claim. However upon reading this article, I saw that the words "Westbourne Grove" appear nowhere in the article. The word "Grove" does but it has nothing to do with where Damon & Jamie lived together in the 1990s. It is commonly accepted that Jamie & Damon lived together in a flat in TRELLICK TOWER in London when they conceived of Gorillaz. Trellick Tower is not, however, on Westbourne Grove.
Trellick Tower is exactly 1 mile (aka 1.6 kilometers) away from Westbourne Grove according to Google Maps. Trellick Tower is on Golborne Road and Elkstone Road. So maybe someone got the street names mixed up? Cuz I can't find anything about them living on Westbourne Grove besides this Wikipedia article, whose cited source for that claim does not say anything about them living together there. Idk, this should probably be cleared up because I've seen people getting into heated arguments over where they lived when creating Gorillaz because most people believe it was Trellick Tower but then others say that's wrong because this article says its a flat on Westbourne Grove. So we really need to get on that and prevent this article from being a source of argumentation on the internet and irl. AnarchoGonzo ( talk) 03:33, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
Russel's page was recently merged into this article due to it primarily having mostly trivial information. I’m debating whether or not the rest of the character pages should be merged into here. Noodle's page was previously nominated for merging into this page, but that was closed. Davidng913 ( talk) 03:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC)