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help)Being a member of this group, I know that No Brand Con planning staff are notorious for not distributing press releases. As a result, secondary, verifiable sources are few and far between. Even reliable sources, such as AnimeCons.com, are often fed by No Brand Con staff, backed up by information readily available on the website.
I believe the self-referencing sources that are used fall under the first exception for: WP:SELFPUB#Using_questionable_or_self-published_sources. Due to their inherently self-referencing nature, NoBrandVerse specifics and other details are not published outside of the convention website, internal convention materials, or myriad video sources (sometimes available on YouTube and similar sites, where applicable).
I suppose what can fall under contention here is whether or not the inclusion of such details is relevant to an encyclopedia entry. I think the fact that No Brand Con has a continuous, annual storyline is academically interesting, and can be used to compare against otehr conventions. But, again, the proper details can only be found in con-referenced materials, as already (properly) cited. SeanOrange 20:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I've deleted the entire No Brand Verse as it was based entirely on primary sources and contained a great deal of original research as well. The section was also undue weight as it appeared that was the only thing significant the convention. However, this article should be about the convention and its history and development and not about the No Brand Verse. -- Farix ( Talk) 18:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
West Con, I believe, was an anime-oriented con. I'm not sure what one needs to define a con as an anime con, but I believe West Con fit the bill. We got our guest from West Con, if you'll recall. Given that NBC was started largely as a response to the fall of West Con and the ebarrasing flop that was StrDexCon (spits), and also given that NBC was not initially focussed solely on anime, I'd say that the title of 'first Wisconsin anime con' is still up for debate. For completness' sake I will bring up that GenCon was demonstrably not an anime con, at least insofar as its run in WI goes.
Furthermore, Ghaleon was at West Con and in the infamous hotel room when we discussed the idea of starting our own con. He was also a major participant in the first year and present at the Otaku meetings where NBC was discussed. Again, I'm not sure how one specifically defines co-founder, but he appears to fit the bill in my eyes. The real issue is that if you try to draw lines in the sand based on physical evidence, most of us from the early days wouldn't be considered co-founders. Indeed at the first planning meeting it was just me and Gojira. I remember only because I barely knew him and it was incredibly awkward. For that matter, I wrote and championed the constitution of AAS and went with Larry to get the required advisor. My name was the only one on the account at UWEC for some time and my paypal account was the one eventually converted over to the con business account. And believe me, I am the absolute last person to claim that I did the bulk of the work. Far from it. But as far as objective measures of organizational foundation, the paper trail seems to suggest that it was all me as a result of my campus organizational connections and experience. I seriously doubt you agree with that definition of founder, and neither do I by a long shot. But it begs the question, how do you define NBC founder? aremisasling ( talk) 16:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
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help)Being a member of this group, I know that No Brand Con planning staff are notorious for not distributing press releases. As a result, secondary, verifiable sources are few and far between. Even reliable sources, such as AnimeCons.com, are often fed by No Brand Con staff, backed up by information readily available on the website.
I believe the self-referencing sources that are used fall under the first exception for: WP:SELFPUB#Using_questionable_or_self-published_sources. Due to their inherently self-referencing nature, NoBrandVerse specifics and other details are not published outside of the convention website, internal convention materials, or myriad video sources (sometimes available on YouTube and similar sites, where applicable).
I suppose what can fall under contention here is whether or not the inclusion of such details is relevant to an encyclopedia entry. I think the fact that No Brand Con has a continuous, annual storyline is academically interesting, and can be used to compare against otehr conventions. But, again, the proper details can only be found in con-referenced materials, as already (properly) cited. SeanOrange 20:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I've deleted the entire No Brand Verse as it was based entirely on primary sources and contained a great deal of original research as well. The section was also undue weight as it appeared that was the only thing significant the convention. However, this article should be about the convention and its history and development and not about the No Brand Verse. -- Farix ( Talk) 18:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
West Con, I believe, was an anime-oriented con. I'm not sure what one needs to define a con as an anime con, but I believe West Con fit the bill. We got our guest from West Con, if you'll recall. Given that NBC was started largely as a response to the fall of West Con and the ebarrasing flop that was StrDexCon (spits), and also given that NBC was not initially focussed solely on anime, I'd say that the title of 'first Wisconsin anime con' is still up for debate. For completness' sake I will bring up that GenCon was demonstrably not an anime con, at least insofar as its run in WI goes.
Furthermore, Ghaleon was at West Con and in the infamous hotel room when we discussed the idea of starting our own con. He was also a major participant in the first year and present at the Otaku meetings where NBC was discussed. Again, I'm not sure how one specifically defines co-founder, but he appears to fit the bill in my eyes. The real issue is that if you try to draw lines in the sand based on physical evidence, most of us from the early days wouldn't be considered co-founders. Indeed at the first planning meeting it was just me and Gojira. I remember only because I barely knew him and it was incredibly awkward. For that matter, I wrote and championed the constitution of AAS and went with Larry to get the required advisor. My name was the only one on the account at UWEC for some time and my paypal account was the one eventually converted over to the con business account. And believe me, I am the absolute last person to claim that I did the bulk of the work. Far from it. But as far as objective measures of organizational foundation, the paper trail seems to suggest that it was all me as a result of my campus organizational connections and experience. I seriously doubt you agree with that definition of founder, and neither do I by a long shot. But it begs the question, how do you define NBC founder? aremisasling ( talk) 16:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)