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Question for M4gnum0n, now you added the speedy delete tag on 15 January 2008 doesn't indicate significance. which was despeedyd, page's subject matter is not covered by A7; use prod or AfD instead by Ais523, on 16 January 2008 you added the PROD template for deletion, to make it more clear, i added the first zero emissions yacht in the world, bit now this new deletion template. {{nn|date=January 2008}}, doesn't make sense to me, its not an article about Biographies, Books, Companies, Fiction, Music, Neologisms, Numbers, or Web content, or a proposal for new guidelines. However the template is suggesting the article should be deleted or merged, so what is it exactly that you think is not referenced ? Cheers Mion ( talk) 16:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I am answering your question. The template that was added ({{nn|date=January 2008}}) is an indication that M4gnum0n did not believe the article satisfied Wikipedia's notability guidelines. The way you would address that concern is by demonstrating significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. I also gave you a specific example of a statement that needed to be referenced ("first zero emissions yacht in the world"). Jfire ( talk) 06:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Can you explain in more detail why you removed that part? Ballard Power Systems is mentioned in several of the references, it seems like it should be included. Jfire ( talk) 06:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
If you could find a source that says the No. 1 uses generic cells or cells made by some other company, then I could see your argument, but mutiple sources cited say very specifically that BPC made the ones used the the No. 1. Wikipedia is a tertiary reference; we report what other reliable sources say, not what we know or are familiar with personally. Maybe you could bring in some other editors who are familiar with similar articles and see what they think? Jfire ( talk) 07:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
By the way, this is not a zero-emission yacht, unless the hydrogen in the fuel cell is produced using only renewable energy sources. Even so, the manufacture of the fuel cells requires energy and creates emissions. The closest thing to a zero-emission yacht is a sailboat that uses only solar energy to run a small electric motor for docking. Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 14:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
This is a boat; it is relevant where the components came from. Revert again and you will be in violation of 3RR. Jfire ( talk) 17:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I've asked for more input at WP:WikiProject Ships. Please let it stand until we reach consensus. Jfire ( talk) 17:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with leaving out the manufacturer of the components, I believe that info should only be included if the ship is specifically built for prototype/testbed use of those components, and if secondary
reliable sources report it as such.
However, it is okay to list the builder (and the yard & city) which did the primary construction of the ship, as that's standard information placed in the
ship infobox used by
WP:SHIPS. ---
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This source says it was "built by the Bénéteau shipyard in France". I'll cite it. Jfire ( talk) 18:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Nice find! It appears you speak Dutch, can you give a better translation of "Later sloot ook scheepswerf Speedwave uit Kressbronn bij de Bodensee zich aan voor alle scheepstechnische verbouwingen en verrichtte de Universiteit van Magdeburg het nodige denkwerk." Thanks, Jfire ( talk) 19:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Now, that makes the original statement, the hull from the Beneteau was used which makes it a component, however, i am not familiar with how that is handled within the wiki ship project /the template, maybe they mention both. Mion ( talk) 19:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
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Question for M4gnum0n, now you added the speedy delete tag on 15 January 2008 doesn't indicate significance. which was despeedyd, page's subject matter is not covered by A7; use prod or AfD instead by Ais523, on 16 January 2008 you added the PROD template for deletion, to make it more clear, i added the first zero emissions yacht in the world, bit now this new deletion template. {{nn|date=January 2008}}, doesn't make sense to me, its not an article about Biographies, Books, Companies, Fiction, Music, Neologisms, Numbers, or Web content, or a proposal for new guidelines. However the template is suggesting the article should be deleted or merged, so what is it exactly that you think is not referenced ? Cheers Mion ( talk) 16:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I am answering your question. The template that was added ({{nn|date=January 2008}}) is an indication that M4gnum0n did not believe the article satisfied Wikipedia's notability guidelines. The way you would address that concern is by demonstrating significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. I also gave you a specific example of a statement that needed to be referenced ("first zero emissions yacht in the world"). Jfire ( talk) 06:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Can you explain in more detail why you removed that part? Ballard Power Systems is mentioned in several of the references, it seems like it should be included. Jfire ( talk) 06:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
If you could find a source that says the No. 1 uses generic cells or cells made by some other company, then I could see your argument, but mutiple sources cited say very specifically that BPC made the ones used the the No. 1. Wikipedia is a tertiary reference; we report what other reliable sources say, not what we know or are familiar with personally. Maybe you could bring in some other editors who are familiar with similar articles and see what they think? Jfire ( talk) 07:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
By the way, this is not a zero-emission yacht, unless the hydrogen in the fuel cell is produced using only renewable energy sources. Even so, the manufacture of the fuel cells requires energy and creates emissions. The closest thing to a zero-emission yacht is a sailboat that uses only solar energy to run a small electric motor for docking. Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 14:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
This is a boat; it is relevant where the components came from. Revert again and you will be in violation of 3RR. Jfire ( talk) 17:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I've asked for more input at WP:WikiProject Ships. Please let it stand until we reach consensus. Jfire ( talk) 17:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with leaving out the manufacturer of the components, I believe that info should only be included if the ship is specifically built for prototype/testbed use of those components, and if secondary
reliable sources report it as such.
However, it is okay to list the builder (and the yard & city) which did the primary construction of the ship, as that's standard information placed in the
ship infobox used by
WP:SHIPS. ---
Barek (
talk •
contribs) -
17:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
This source says it was "built by the Bénéteau shipyard in France". I'll cite it. Jfire ( talk) 18:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Nice find! It appears you speak Dutch, can you give a better translation of "Later sloot ook scheepswerf Speedwave uit Kressbronn bij de Bodensee zich aan voor alle scheepstechnische verbouwingen en verrichtte de Universiteit van Magdeburg het nodige denkwerk." Thanks, Jfire ( talk) 19:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Now, that makes the original statement, the hull from the Beneteau was used which makes it a component, however, i am not familiar with how that is handled within the wiki ship project /the template, maybe they mention both. Mion ( talk) 19:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)