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Bizarre that Sweden is not mentioned in the Alleged section, yet the term "no-go area" is covered in the article Vulnerable area. I'm not seeing a difference between this and France's Sensitive urban zones, which we do cover. I came to this article specifically for information about vulnerable areas, and was surprised not to find it.
I have reviewed the discussions in Talk:No-go area/Archive 1, Talk:No-go area/Archive 2, Talk:No-go area/Archive 3. I think it is time to revisit this issue. As the article says in the lede, in the 21st century the term is used for "areas that police or medical workers consider too dangerous to enter without heavy backup". This criterion is met by Sweden's "vulnerable areas", of which the national broadcaster NRK reported "They are often called 'no go zones' because ambulances and fire trucks cannot drive into the areas without police protection on critical occasions." [1] cagliost ( talk) 11:08, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Given TompaDompa's comments about figuring out the scope of the article first, I've started a new discussion below, labelled " Unfocused".
The article has been tagged as Unfocused by TompaDompa. I intend to fix this as follows:
I intend to use the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary & Thesaurus definition to define the scope of the article: "an area, especially in a town, where it is very dangerous to go, usually because a group of people who have weapons prevent the police, army, and other people from entering".
I propose to remove the distinction presently drawn between "historical" and "21st century" usage. This is unsupported by sources. Instead, the lede should describe how there are degrees to no-go zones. Areas can be simply high-crime and dangerous, or controlled by organised crime, or controlled by paramilitary, or fully military organisations. It is a spectrum. The lede should also describe how whether an area is or is not a no-go zone can be controversial.
As for how to handle the distinction between controversial or non-controversial designations, this can be done separately at a later date, but we can discuss it here now. The current heading "Alleged contemporary no-go areas" conflates "alleged" and "contemporary". I propose to remove "contemporary" as unnecessary and also because I don't think we should draw a chronological distinction. I don't think we should draw a military versus non-military distinction either. Should we put the controversial cases under their own heading? Or should we just list all cases together, ordered alphabetically or chronologically, and mention which ones are controversial on a case-by-case basis? cagliost ( talk) 15:27, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
«Instead, the lede should describe how there are degrees to no-go zones.» => I strongly disagree. Either the police (and the military forces) can enter an area, either they can not. There is no in-between. Also can i remind Talk:No-go area/Archive 2#2020-03 split the article ? Visite fortuitement prolongée ( talk) 12:48, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
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Bizarre that Sweden is not mentioned in the Alleged section, yet the term "no-go area" is covered in the article Vulnerable area. I'm not seeing a difference between this and France's Sensitive urban zones, which we do cover. I came to this article specifically for information about vulnerable areas, and was surprised not to find it.
I have reviewed the discussions in Talk:No-go area/Archive 1, Talk:No-go area/Archive 2, Talk:No-go area/Archive 3. I think it is time to revisit this issue. As the article says in the lede, in the 21st century the term is used for "areas that police or medical workers consider too dangerous to enter without heavy backup". This criterion is met by Sweden's "vulnerable areas", of which the national broadcaster NRK reported "They are often called 'no go zones' because ambulances and fire trucks cannot drive into the areas without police protection on critical occasions." [1] cagliost ( talk) 11:08, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Given TompaDompa's comments about figuring out the scope of the article first, I've started a new discussion below, labelled " Unfocused".
The article has been tagged as Unfocused by TompaDompa. I intend to fix this as follows:
I intend to use the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary & Thesaurus definition to define the scope of the article: "an area, especially in a town, where it is very dangerous to go, usually because a group of people who have weapons prevent the police, army, and other people from entering".
I propose to remove the distinction presently drawn between "historical" and "21st century" usage. This is unsupported by sources. Instead, the lede should describe how there are degrees to no-go zones. Areas can be simply high-crime and dangerous, or controlled by organised crime, or controlled by paramilitary, or fully military organisations. It is a spectrum. The lede should also describe how whether an area is or is not a no-go zone can be controversial.
As for how to handle the distinction between controversial or non-controversial designations, this can be done separately at a later date, but we can discuss it here now. The current heading "Alleged contemporary no-go areas" conflates "alleged" and "contemporary". I propose to remove "contemporary" as unnecessary and also because I don't think we should draw a chronological distinction. I don't think we should draw a military versus non-military distinction either. Should we put the controversial cases under their own heading? Or should we just list all cases together, ordered alphabetically or chronologically, and mention which ones are controversial on a case-by-case basis? cagliost ( talk) 15:27, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
«Instead, the lede should describe how there are degrees to no-go zones.» => I strongly disagree. Either the police (and the military forces) can enter an area, either they can not. There is no in-between. Also can i remind Talk:No-go area/Archive 2#2020-03 split the article ? Visite fortuitement prolongée ( talk) 12:48, 28 March 2023 (UTC)