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Nice article! Would it be possible to top it off by adding a reference or external link or two? Not that I doubt the veracity of any of this, but it'll make it even more useful to future editors. -- Dvyost 00:15, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
I have tried to add some better statistics from the 'usual suspects', but it still needs some sources for the general flow of the battle. -- Wally Tharg ( talk) 19:48, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Does this mean 1,193,000 of the troops were unarmed? Or does "7000 guns" mean "7000 artillery pieces?" Please clarify. -- Simoes 03:34, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Most do know, but what the heck, I don't care. If you want it that way, that's fine by me...: ) Spawn Man 05:18, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
I Strongly oppose this article being merged with the 2nd battle of the aisne! Gosh! The battle was only a battle, where as the nivelle offensive was the whole campaign movement. They deserve two different articles at least! If it was an article such as "The part of the aisne where it got shelled", then that should be merged into the aisne article, not the entire campaign which over saw tens of battles!!!!!!! Gosh, get a grip everybody, the articles stays I say. Spawn Man 23:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
The history and fate of this unit would make a useful addition to WP. Drutt ( talk) 07:22, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Agreed ... I hadn't heard of them before. Indeed, it needs a citation to stand up as verifiable fact. -- Wally Tharg ( talk) 19:51, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Towards the end of the article it describes a famous incident where soldiers from the 2nd division of the AIF arrived 'drunk and without weapons'. I don't know how to edit it myself but here is the citation it needs:
Page 243. from Lyons, Michael J. (2000). World War I: A Short History (2nd ed.). Prentice Hall. ISBN 0130205516.
Cheers, Alex
Also you need to specify that it was the 2nd colonial division of the French Army, not just 'the 2nd division'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.49.220.177 ( talk) 20:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
could someone clear up for me why the article specifies 96,000 french losses ("officially", but as the article says probably upwards of 120,000 and perhaps even 180,000), 160,000 british losses, and 5,000 russian losses but in the infobox only says 187,000 casualties? i don't have any sources but it seems to me the infobox is either only listing the high estimate for french losses, or there's a pretty big error either in the text or infobox. Capt Jim ( talk) 21:37, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
It took a while to find the pages associated with the Nivelle Offensive but I have in mind making this page the main one about the development of the Allied strategy for early 1917 and the aftermath and the other pages Battle of Arras (1917), Second Battle of the Aisne, Battle of the Hills for the details of the military operations. I did a campaign boxes to tie the pages together. Arras is pretty complete but the other two suffer from lack of English sources. I've gleaned enough to double the material on each page and added material from Tactical development on the Western Front in 1917 but there's very little about the German defence of the Aisne. If anyone has suggestions for English-language sources I'd be grateful. Keith-264 ( talk) 18:10, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Needs nuch more on the strategic, tactical background and the prelude, plus more on the aftermath. German casualties too. Keith-264 ( talk) 14:57, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 19:32, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Nivelle offensive → ? – Nivelle Offensive is a proper name Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) (Do not capitalize the second or subsequent words in an article title, unless the title is a proper name.) and should not have been moved. Keith-264 ( talk) 14:09, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
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Nice article! Would it be possible to top it off by adding a reference or external link or two? Not that I doubt the veracity of any of this, but it'll make it even more useful to future editors. -- Dvyost 00:15, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
I have tried to add some better statistics from the 'usual suspects', but it still needs some sources for the general flow of the battle. -- Wally Tharg ( talk) 19:48, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Does this mean 1,193,000 of the troops were unarmed? Or does "7000 guns" mean "7000 artillery pieces?" Please clarify. -- Simoes 03:34, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Most do know, but what the heck, I don't care. If you want it that way, that's fine by me...: ) Spawn Man 05:18, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
I Strongly oppose this article being merged with the 2nd battle of the aisne! Gosh! The battle was only a battle, where as the nivelle offensive was the whole campaign movement. They deserve two different articles at least! If it was an article such as "The part of the aisne where it got shelled", then that should be merged into the aisne article, not the entire campaign which over saw tens of battles!!!!!!! Gosh, get a grip everybody, the articles stays I say. Spawn Man 23:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
The history and fate of this unit would make a useful addition to WP. Drutt ( talk) 07:22, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Agreed ... I hadn't heard of them before. Indeed, it needs a citation to stand up as verifiable fact. -- Wally Tharg ( talk) 19:51, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Towards the end of the article it describes a famous incident where soldiers from the 2nd division of the AIF arrived 'drunk and without weapons'. I don't know how to edit it myself but here is the citation it needs:
Page 243. from Lyons, Michael J. (2000). World War I: A Short History (2nd ed.). Prentice Hall. ISBN 0130205516.
Cheers, Alex
Also you need to specify that it was the 2nd colonial division of the French Army, not just 'the 2nd division'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.49.220.177 ( talk) 20:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
could someone clear up for me why the article specifies 96,000 french losses ("officially", but as the article says probably upwards of 120,000 and perhaps even 180,000), 160,000 british losses, and 5,000 russian losses but in the infobox only says 187,000 casualties? i don't have any sources but it seems to me the infobox is either only listing the high estimate for french losses, or there's a pretty big error either in the text or infobox. Capt Jim ( talk) 21:37, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
It took a while to find the pages associated with the Nivelle Offensive but I have in mind making this page the main one about the development of the Allied strategy for early 1917 and the aftermath and the other pages Battle of Arras (1917), Second Battle of the Aisne, Battle of the Hills for the details of the military operations. I did a campaign boxes to tie the pages together. Arras is pretty complete but the other two suffer from lack of English sources. I've gleaned enough to double the material on each page and added material from Tactical development on the Western Front in 1917 but there's very little about the German defence of the Aisne. If anyone has suggestions for English-language sources I'd be grateful. Keith-264 ( talk) 18:10, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Needs nuch more on the strategic, tactical background and the prelude, plus more on the aftermath. German casualties too. Keith-264 ( talk) 14:57, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 19:32, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Nivelle offensive → ? – Nivelle Offensive is a proper name Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) (Do not capitalize the second or subsequent words in an article title, unless the title is a proper name.) and should not have been moved. Keith-264 ( talk) 14:09, 23 April 2021 (UTC)